God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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The Torah contains one Covenant which God oathed; made audible and visible on mount Sinai wherewith to express his concern for his People for whom He swore his Covenant. One, The Eternal Covenant of Grace closed in Full Fellowship of the Trinity in eternity before the world was made. The Torah - Law - calls it the New Testament / New Covenant or just God's 'Covenant'.

This is interesting. Where in the Old Testament first 5 books, the Torah, call what they originally had, the New Covenant? You aren't giving me any verifiable scriptures; you just want me to take your word for it. So look it up and tell me where to look.
 

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I nearly have not reacted. If it had not given me pleasure to demolish nonsense like this I would not have answered. Too much is too much of spinach leaves lekker or no longer lekker.


So,

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<<We find the women preparing those spices upon the same day Jesus was crucified (Luke 23:56)>>

LIE! Boring flat deflated LIE. Reason: <<(Luke 23:56)>>.

Go to bed, first finish your sleep. Wake up properly, take a cold shower, then go read Luke 23 TOGETHER WITH Mark Matthew and John AT THE SAME PLACE Mark 15:45ff Matthew 27:57ff John 19:31,38ff. Use a magnifying glass to read. Don’t come back before you did what I’m telling you to do. Amateur nincompoop! I’m so fed-up with THIS babality* I could just leave you out!

*Confused misconceived construed strooi
 

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But on Jesus' Last Passover OF YAHWEH it had to fall on the Sixth Weekday because "the third day" of "three days thick darkness" fell on the weekly Sabbath that year, Matthew 27:62 to 28:4, and it is expressly stated High Day of passover was on "the Preparation". John 19:31,38 Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:54-56.

The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate.
(Matthew 27:62)​

the next day meaning the day after Pascha -- which that Pascha was 'preparation day' because the following day was the Feast of Unleavened bread, a 'high sabbath' of the 7 feasts as opposed to a weekly one.

again, absolutely nothing here about 'three days of thick darkness' plus you guys are trying to cram 3 days into 1.5 days, which, um, "maths" OK?

i am sticking with:

Pascha was tuesday night / wednesday morning.
Pascha was preparation day for the day of Unleavened bread, wednesday night / thursday morning - the day upon which the priests went to Pilate and bade him secure the tomb and set a guard ((asking the Gentiles to work on a sabbath, o hypocrites))
thursday night / friday morning the women procured and prepared spices,
then friday night / satuday morning was the weekly sabbath, and they rested according to the commandment of Moses
and after saturday sundown, Christ rose: it was Firstfruits, the 8th day which is also the 1st


there's no 'good friday' -- total myth.
 

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Additional:

"Without resorting to various theories as held by others, what does the text plainly give to us?

We read that on the very same day that Jesus was Crucified, being the Passover, the 14th of Aviv/Nisan, the sixth day of the week,

[1] Jesus died “about the ninth hour” [approximately 3 PM], according to the Scripture [Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:33-34; Luke 23:44], in fulfillment of Prophecy and Typology, He being the “Lamb of God”, even the “Passover” Lamb, prepared for the “evening sacrifice” (and as an additional note, see also the importance of the "morning" sacrifice, and when Jesus was Hung upon the Cross and for how long He was therefore).

[2] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day after Jesus' death to approach and ask of Pilate for the Body of Jesus [Matthew 27:57-58; Mark 15:42-43; Luke 23:50-52; John 19:38].

[3] Pontius Pilate had time on that same day after Jesus' death to summon the guard, and inquire about Jesus' death [Mark 15:44-45].

[4] Joseph of Arimathaea on that same day had time to come back from asking Pilate, and the inquisition made by Pilate to the Soldier, to the Cross, and take down the body of Jesus to be carried away [John 19:38].

[5] Joseph of Arimathaea had time on that same day, after Jesus' death and after asking Pontius Pilate for the body of Jesus, and the inquisition made of Pilate to the guard, and taking Jesus down and way, to then purchase afterward [“And bought”] “fine linen” to wrap Jesus' body in [Mark 15:46].

[6] Nicodemus had time on that same day to bring [“brought”] “a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight]” [John 19:39] along with Joseph of Arimathaea to then “wound it in linen clothes with the spices” and embalm the body of Jesus with [Matthew 27:59; Mark 15:46; Luke 23:53; John 19:40].

[7] According to the texts, there was still time before the Sabbath, according to the commandment [Luke 23:56] had come, as the Scriptures reveal that it was still “the preparation day”, though the “sabbath drew on” [or was nearing] [Luke 23:54].

[8] They all had time on that same day, even after all these events to go to the tomb with Jesus and lay Him in the tomb, and seal it [Matthew 27:60-61; Mark 15:47; Luke 23:55; John 19:41-42].

[9] Even after the women saw how Jesus was laid in the tomb, and the tomb then sealed, they still had sufficient time before the sabbath was upon them to “return” from the tomb to their homes.

[10] Once the women had “returned” to their homes [some Jerusalem, others possibly Olivet] they still had enough time, because the Scriptures recorded that they then “prepared spices and ointments” [Luke 23:56] before the Sabbath, in which they then when it had come, finally, “rested according to the commandment.” [Luke 23:56] and later came after the sabbath was past, even early in the morning of the first day of the week, even "bringing the spices which they had prepared" (Luke 24:1) the day of Christ's Crucifixion, wherein then it is obvious that they "had bought" them that day, the sixth day of the week, before the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, according to the Commandment actually commenced, which was about 3 hours.​

Let us now, come back to the main text at issue:

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1​

Much is made of the “had bought”, and the timing thereof in this text, only because it is isolated from the other texts of the four Gospels.

This text (Mark 16:1) does not indicate that a seasonal feast sabbath had come, and then a normal day existed inbetween for them to make purchase, which was then followed by the 7th Day Sabbath, as many incorrectly subscribe to, for it has been shown Prophetically and Typologically (Jonah, Manna, and more still to come in the Levitical Calender, etc) that that would be impossible (and will be yet further still, in total). Let us then look at the words:

"had bought" [already having had purchased, sometime in the past] -

Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: third
Number: Plural​

“The Aorist tense conveys the truth that ... (indicative mood is mood of reality) has occurred at a point in the past without specifying when this event occurred. … One writer adds "strictly speaking, the aorist denotes past time only in the indicative ... (Learning the Basics of New Testament Greek. AMG Publishers)" - Greek Quick Reference Guide

This is s a past tense action, and the Greek aorist [tense] indicative [mood] reveals that it was an event [the purchasing] already past and done, some time before these events, without the text determining the exact moment of purchase in the past, but we can know by the other texts, and the women's own faithfulness that it had to be sometime before the Sabbath mentioned in this text and others. When we combine all of those previous points [1-10], we can know that the women had plenty of time to make the purchase of those spices several hours before Sabbath had come, while the men [Joseph and Nicodemus] were doing the things recorded, even purchasing “linen”, etc. We can know that the women already had the spices before Jesus was laid in the tomb, and thus we can conclusively determine that they “had bought” those spices sometime before then.

Not content with this, others attempt to wrest the passage from the context order, but please notice the connections of “and” in successive time keeping:

And when he knew [it] of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. - Mark 15:45

And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. - Mark 15:46​

Mark 15:46 is preceeded by Mark 15:45, which gives us succession of events in their order, and vs 46 begins with "kai" [And], connecting the two.

Therefore, Joseph was given the body, he bought fine linen, and then took the body down, and then wrapped Jesus in that just purchased Linen, etc. Plenty of time in the day to do so, since Jesus had died at approx 3PM, and there was several hours left before sunset and the 7th Day Sabbath was to begin.

The word in Greek in Matthew 15:46, αγορασαςG59 V-AAP-NSM

Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes:

Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Participle [a verbal adjective]
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine​

It is translated as "buy (28x), redeem (3x)", thus 31 times, in the King James Bible:

bought, 13

Mat 13:46, Mat 21:12, Mat 27:7, Mar 11:15, Mar 15:46, Mar 16:1, Luk 14:18-19 (2), Luk 17:28, Luk 19:45, 1Co 6:20, 1Co 7:23, 2Pe 2:1

buy, 13

Mat 14:15, Mat 25:9-10 (2), Mar 6:36-37 (2), Luk 9:13, Luk 22:36, Joh 4:8, Joh 6:5, Joh 13:29, 1Co 7:30, Rev 3:18, Rev 13:17

redeemed, 3

Rev 5:9, Rev 14:3-4 (2)

buyeth, 2

Mat 13:44, Rev 18:11

In every instance it means to purchase.

I will also recommend upon this issue, a webpage with several helpful charts -

A helpful breakdown, Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday? (Wayback Machine required now) - Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

Helpful Chart (Wayback Machine required now) - http://biblelight.net/Passover chart.htm

We find the women preparing those spices upon the same day Jesus was crucified (Luke 23:56), and then coming with them “prepared” on Resurrection morning (Luke 24:1), which means that they "had been" purchased the day of the crucifixion and before sundown." - Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

If you want to discuss the phrase "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40), we can from scripture. It, in context, doesn't refer to the grave (time) only.

could you possibly put this in a succinct format of one single paragraph as i have done,
i.e.
day one:
day two:
day three:

giving Hebrew day & Julian calendar day?


i could have also given 50 scripture references in a confusing jumble of 3 posts in 2,500 words, but i thought, let's try to make this understandable.
 

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The Torah contains one Covenant which God oathed

um, what about:

covenant with the whole earth and every living soul, Genesis 9
covenant with Abraham, Genesis 15
covenant of salt, Numbers 18
covenant with Israel, Deuteronomy 4
 

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GerhardEbersoehn said:
"three days thick darkness" fell on the weekly Sabbath that year, Matthew 27:62 to 28:4
nothing in the verses you cited says anything whatsoever about three days of thick darkness?
Kindly, first, I must have written "third day OF" somehow. Please check up. Because the three last days in Jesus' life were the "three days THICK (uninterrupted) DARKNESS" of the last two plagues of the passover, Exodus 10 to 15.
But Jesus referred to HIS last visitation with sorrow and suffering in the words of the prophet Jonah,

“Three Days” and their “Three Nights”

“It was night” “the night the Lord was betrayed
“the first day” “they crucified Him”
and all went home

“At That Night” “they took the body”
“High-Day That Day” “they laid Him in the tomb”
and they went home.”

Night “they according to the Commandment began to rest
Day after the Preparation – the third dayWeekly Sabbath
and the angel cast the stone from the sepulchre”​

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Kindly, first, I must have written "third day OF" somehow. Please check up. Because the three last days in Jesus' life were the "three days THICK (uninterrupted) DARKNESS" of the last two plagues of the passover, Exodus 10 to 15.
But Jesus referred to HIS last visitation with sorrow and suffering in the words of the prophet Jonah,

“Three Days” and their “Three Nights”

“It was night” “the night the Lord was betrayed
“the first day” “they crucified Him”
and all went home

“At That Night” “they took the body”
“High-Day That Day” “they laid Him in the tomb”
and they went home.”

Night “they according to the Commandment began to rest
Day after the Preparation – the third dayWeekly Sabbath
and the angel cast the stone from the sepulchre”​

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the next day meaning the day after Pascha -- which that Pascha was 'preparation day' because the following day was the Feast of Unleavened bread, a 'high sabbath' of the 7 feasts as opposed to a weekly one.

You say that <<the Feast of Unleavened bread, a 'high sabbath'>> was <<the next day meaning the day after Pascha>>, viz., after, Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh?; that is was "the third day He spoke of when still living"?; that it was the day which broke after two whole nights before it when "At-That-First-Night Nicodemus came to him, Joseph, and "it was evening ALREADY" Mark 15:42 the beginning already of "the sabbath That Day great/high-day-of-sabbath since it was the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath That-Day" John 19:31ff-?

No, <<the next day meaning the day after Pascha>> Matthew 27:62 in fact was AFTER <the Feast of Unleavened bread, a 'high sabbath'> its 1st night but 2nd night of the 8 days of the passover as such. It was not <<the Feast of Unleavened bread, a 'high sabbath'>> itself; IT WAS "the Weekly Sabbath" [Sabba'tohn], and it was "the third day He would rise again" as Jesus had told them all along. Read Matthew 27:62 to Matthew 28:4 the WHOLE CONTEXT!
 

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There IS NO "Three days and three nights of darkness in the heart of the earth." The "three days and three nights" is a figure of speech.

Jesus told the thief in Luke 23:43: "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
No where to be but in paradise!


Also we read in 2 Corinthians 5:8: "... to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." [paraphrased]

To God Be The Glory
 

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There IS NO "Three days and three nights of darkness in the heart of the earth." The "three days and three nights" is a figure of speech.
[paraphrased]

Re: <<There IS NO "Three days and three nights of darkness in the heart of the earth.">>
Friend, Jesus said these word with his feet flat on earth; You deny them standing with your nose high in the air.

Re: <<The "three days and three nights" is a figure of speech.>>
The "three days and three nights" is plain speech indicating sequence of actual nights and days - common sense stuff keeping pace with reality. The figure of speech in Matthew 24:40 is these words, "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" forming one (cerebral metaphysical but absolutely TRUE), spiritual, phrase.
 

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What is the difference that Jesus is talking about here in John 15:10

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
The Father gave Jesus (Deity) specific commandments to fulfill that you and I (creatures) cannot fulfill:

Joh_10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Joh_14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Mat_26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

etc.​
 
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Jesus told the thief in Luke 23:43: "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
No where to be but in paradise!

Eden was the Kingdom the Almighty gave to the first Adam to "RULE" over. Adam is called the son of God, Adam's kingdom was "the kingdom of my father" -- God. Adam fell in sin and lost his Father's Kingdom and gave it to the devil. Now God the Son of God "the last Adam" came to earth to regain "THE KINGDOM OF MY FATHER" - only once so called in the Gospels. Jesus came to win back Eden or Paradise. Here's the crux: Jesus came to win the Kingdom of his Father back by taking the first Adam's guilt upon Himself and instead of Adam, suffered death in his stead. Paradise was Hell for Jesus; for the thief Paradise became Redemption. So when Jesus answered the thief's request that He must remember him when He came in his Kingdom, Jesus accepted and assured nothing less than the Prize He was busy paying for, THAT VERY DAY. Jesus DIED in his Kingdom ON THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE CONFLICT OF THE AGES. And the thief DIED in that same battle the day after Jesus had had finished the penalty and had earned eternal life for God's elect from the first Adam to the thief on the cross. "Today you will be WITH ME - in paradise". Christ "triumphed IN IT". Colossians 2:14,15.
 
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