I don't think he's talking about alters and dissociation, but I have heard another survivor speak of angels and Holy Spirit helping her locate parts (alters) held captive in the spirit realm, outside the body.
Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK
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No, he's not. I thought it might play in somewhere in the vid but, just fragmented souls...it's hard to find videos that go to the heart of it...gee, wonder why...not.
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Hosea 4:6
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
1 Timothy 6:12
[12] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
Ephesians 6:10-18
[10] Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
[11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
[15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
[18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
1 Timothy 6:12
[12] Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
Ephesians 6:10-18
[10] Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
[11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
[15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
[18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Matthew 10:16-42
[16] Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
[17] But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
[24] The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
[29] Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
[30] But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
[31] Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
[36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
[39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
[40] He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
[41] He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
[42] And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
2 Timothy 2:3-13
[3] Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
[4] No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
[5] And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
[6] The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
[7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
[8] Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
[9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
[10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
[11] It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
[12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
[13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
[16] Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
[17] But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
[18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
[19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
[21] And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
[22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
[24] The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
[25] It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
[29] Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
[30] But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
[31] Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
[36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
[39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
[40] He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
[41] He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
[42] And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
2 Timothy 2:3-13
[3] Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
[4] No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
[5] And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
[6] The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
[7] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
[8] Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
[9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
[10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
[11] It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
[12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
[13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
There are some good teachings out there, only I am leery of sharing them, or would need to put a disclaimer on them that they endorse the work of Russ Dizdar who is a cult operative. Idk how some are so fooled by him. I can send them to you privately.
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I Am very encouraged by that video. It's got a LOT of Truth in it, and it's coming from a humble heart that is teachable. He earnestly confesses that his knowledge is incomplete, and he doesn't have all the answers. A man or woman who understands "we know inpart..." can be taught by the Spirit. In Him we learn more over time, right up til we think we know it all. Pride will shut our ears so tight we can't even learn any more.
I think that video is worth listening to ...more than once.
I'm not sure if he has a real deep understanding of DID or not. But he has learned a LOT about fragmented souls...and whether he really understands DID or not...he has a very solid understanding of divided souls, why Satan pursues that strategy against us, and the biblical basis that supports that fragmented souls are a reality...and God's commitment to restoration.
I think that video is worth listening to ...more than once.
I'm not sure if he has a real deep understanding of DID or not. But he has learned a LOT about fragmented souls...and whether he really understands DID or not...he has a very solid understanding of divided souls, why Satan pursues that strategy against us, and the biblical basis that supports that fragmented souls are a reality...and God's commitment to restoration.
Jostler
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I'm kinda like TLHKAJ, I'm not comfortable talking to demons...as far as I can understand, Jesus told me to cast them out, not hold conversation with them. But, I am not willing to criticize Worley over it. Maybe he knows more than I do. If the Lord leads me to talk to a demon, of course I would obey and I'm sure He would tell me what to say. Until then, I just tell them "Shut up and get out."
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I also noted he indicated he doesn't make any distinction between demons and fallen angels. That's a common mistake and the Lord has revealed a lot more about the hierarchy in Satan's kingdom in recent years. Fallen angels (principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, world rulers are NOT demons.....and that is important to understand, because fighting each is very different. We need to understand the difference and discern which we are facing because the warfare is different. We have three classes of enemy. Demons, fallen angels and hybrids. They all fall, but the way you fight them is very different. Men like Michael Heiser have been used in the past few years to give us a much better understanding of the differences. Which helps us understand how we have to fight each type.
Thank you so much for sharing!
I agree. I heard enough solid truth that I feel like I may like to hear more of his teachings.
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Did you ever see a hybrid shapeshift into a human and back into a hybrid at different times? I'm just wondering if that is what a hybrid would do or if it wasn't a hybrid that would do that then what would it be.
The most terrifying thing I witnessed, I would have to say that it was a nephilim. He was easily at least 15 feet tall maybe more than that. That scared me to death. That was just too much. I don't think my heart would be strong enough to take seeing that now at my age.
A dark man with eyes of fury. That sounds surprisingly familiar to me. The man that my father sold us to was a dark man, very dark, with dark eyes of fury and he looked very evil. I was terrified of him.
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Shattered
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I dreamed of the Destroyer, a shape-shifter, many years ago. The Destroyer's true form is like a hole in the fabric of reality: 9 feet tall and dark as the void of interstellar space. The entity is terribly swift like a big cat, possessed of a maw filled with canine teeth and eyes like burning coals. The Destroyer is an engine of destruction...
In the dream, I witnessed the Destroyer slaughter a group of people gathered in a house. I've shared this dream a few times over the years and the last time I shared it, I was contacted by someone from Asia. They told me about a mass murder in a house... no one believed the witnesses who said the killer was a "shadow monster" black as the darkest night. My description of the Destroyer matched the account of the witnesses.
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It's good that you mention Heiser's work, @Jostler . Dr. Heiser works to restore an understanding of the earthly and heavenly (spiritual) which was lost not long after the last apostle joined the Lord in fullness.
Many foster the notion that the spiritual is akin to the imaginary, intangible and not "real" in substance... but this is a mistaken conception. On the contrary, the spiritual is more real than our experience here in the earthly realm. This truth is reflected in the following: "on earth as it is in heaven."
Many foster the notion that the spiritual is akin to the imaginary, intangible and not "real" in substance... but this is a mistaken conception. On the contrary, the spiritual is more real than our experience here in the earthly realm. This truth is reflected in the following: "on earth as it is in heaven."
Nancy
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So glad you took the time to watch the loooong video Jostler! And, am glad you found it a good one. Yes, he is very humble and unpretentious, hence teachable!
It's so frustrating and sad that the depth of what actually goes on is not safe to put out there. But one day....
Be encouraged by His peace brother.
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Is this what people refer to as "shadow people"?
The reason I ask about hybrids is because I'm trying to figure out if the handler is a hybrid or a shapeshifter. He seems to be both. But I feel like he's a shapeshifter.
@Mayflower Therefore it's good to concentrate one's mind by God's grace in another direction, right? "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." (Philippians 4.8)
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“But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree. And he prayed that he might die, and said, ‘It is enough! Now, Lord, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!’” (1 Kgs 19:4).
Therefore I hated life because the work that was done under the sun was distressing to me, for all is vanity and grasping for the wind…. Therefore I turned my heart and despaired of all the labor in which I had toiled under the sun (Ecclesiastes 2:17, 20).
Rebekah said to Isaac, “I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth [Hittites]; if Jacob takes a wife of the daughters of Heth…what good will my life be to me?…So Isaac sent Jacob away” (Gen 27:46; 28:5).
“Why did I not die at birth?…Why is light given to him who is in misery, and life to the bitter of soul, who long for death, but it does not come, and search for it more than hidden treasures; who rejoice exceedingly and are glad when they can find the grave?” (Job 3:11, 20-22).
“I have no peace, no quietness, I have no rest, but only turmoil.” Job 3:26
“I loathe my very life, therefore I will give free rein to my complaint and speak out in the bitterness of my soul.” Job 10:1
“Terrors overwhelm me…my life ebbs away, days of suffering grip me. Night pierces my bones, my gnawing pains never rest.” Job 30:15-17
“But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. So he prayed to the Lord, and said…‘Therefore now, O Lord, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live!’” (Jonah 4:1, 3).
“We were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life” (2 Cor 1:8).
“Cursed be the day I was born…why did I ever come out of the womb to see trouble and sorrow and to end my days in shame?” Jerermiah 20:14,
“So my spirit grows faint within me; my heart within me is dismayed,” he(David) writes in Psalm 143:4, and then a few lines later, “Answer me quickly, Lord; my spirit fails. Do not hide your face from me or I will be like those who go down to the pit” (143:7).
Moses cried to the Lord, “I cannot carry all these people by myself; the burden is too heavy for me. If this is how you are going to treat me, please go ahead and kill me — if I have found favor in your eyes — and do not let me face my own ruin” (Numbers 11:14-15).
Isaiah prophesied that Christ would be "a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief." Isaiah 53:3
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Good verses there. So...we need to point people to Christ, as indeed Isaiah 53, does, from which you quoted.
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