Understanding MPD/DID & SRA/MK

amigo de christo · Jul 16, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
You didn't encourage her. You cane here trying to convince her and others here that they should keep silent. That is a misapplication of scripture.

I'll tell you how I know you're afraid ....you pick out the "negative" (posts where survivors are sharing common experiences and processing through trauma), but you completely ignore all the scriptures, worship music, and Biblical discussions. Why is that??

I hardly ever come here . most posts i dont read . I saw mayflower had been here . And i knew she was distraught .
So i came to encourage her . was hoping it might encourage everyone as well .

amigo de christo · Jul 16, 2021

Nancy said:
It is so difficult for some to empathize if it is not a
"known" thing. You and I both know that none of this will ever be on the "news"...quotations because I believe the real news has been cancelled ever since cable TV. There are way too many in the upper echelons (of evil) to ever allow this kind of exposure to the public. This evil will ALL come out in the wash and I thank God that He pulled you out and you are a blessing to the others! It is though, not easy for any who do not understand this to accept this depth of depravity sister...they mean well but, you just don't know till...you do
xo

Yeah , the news on the tv is bunk . They all part of the programmed mind and its desired goal and direction .
OH , there is an agenda at work all right . My advice is , CLING TO CHRIST and stay fat read up in those bibles
and be heavy in prayer . Cause the works of darkness has infected all realms now . Its on both side of the politics .
Its on the news . Its in the classroom and education and its all over the false religoins as well
as the secular , as well as most all of christendom .

Nancy · Jul 16, 2021

amigo de christo said:
Yeah , the news on the tv is bunk . They all part of the programmed mind and its desired goal and direction .
OH , there is an agenda at work all right . My advice is , CLING TO CHRIST and stay fat read up in those bibles
and be heavy in prayer . Cause the works of darkness has infected all realms now . Its on both side of the politics .
Its on the news . Its in the classroom and education and its all over the false religoins as well
as the secular , as well as most all of christendom .

Yes brother, evil is everywhere. The "roaring lion" is waiting to devour and, many will be his dinner one day if they do not heed the simple message from Christ.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

amigo de christo said:
The Mk ultra is only one leg of it . The battle is not with the flesh but against spiritiual wickendess in high places .

How in the world have you known me for 5 years and still don't understand that this has everything to do with spiritual warfare? If you think that MK is just a small part of the overall picture, then I KNOW you have not taken the time to actually get understanding. Do you understand that MK/SRA survivors are the slaves and tools of the elite cult to move the beast system forward and set the stage for antichrist?? No? I didn't think so. I think that went right over your head.

If you do not want to walk WITH survivors, then again.....please go elsewhere. I'd like to stop wasting my time and get this thread back on track.

amigo de christo · Jul 16, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
How in the world have you known me for 5 years and still don't understand that this has everything to do with spiritual warfare? If you think that MK is just a small part of the overall picture, then I KNOW you have not taken the time to actually get understanding. Do you understand that MK/SRA survivors are the slaves and tools of the elite cult to move the beast system forward and set the stage for antichrist?? No? I didn't think so. I think that went right over your head.

If you do not want to walk WITH survivors, then again.....please go elsewhere. I'd like to stop wasting my time and get this thread back on track.

I never said you thought it was not spiritual warfare . You assume things my dear and loved sister .
Believe me , i am a direct man . If i see an error i would tell you the error . I wont dance around the bush .
So lets just move on from this . And let us all be praying for one another .

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

Nancy said:
Yes brother, evil is everywhere. The "roaring lion" is waiting to devour and, many will be his dinner one day if they do not heed the simple message from Christ.

The fearful will also be his lunch. Those who would rather stick their heads in the sand will pay dearly.

Hosea 4:6
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

2 Corinthians 2:11
[11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

amigo de christo said:
I never said you thought it was not spiritual warfare . You assume things my dear and loved sister .
Believe me , i am a direct man . If i see an error i would tell you the error . I wont dance around the bush .
So lets just move on from this . And let us all be praying for one another .

Then go where people are in error. No one here is doing anything but following Christ. Move on....

Nancy · Jul 16, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
The fearful will also be his lunch. Those who would rather stick their heads in the sand will pay dearly.

Hosea 4:6
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

2 Corinthians 2:11
[11] Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Those who do not understand this, or who will not look somewhat into it, with prayer maybe some empathy and interest will arise? I pray for this sister, in particular.
Everything you have told me, which is allot!

pans out with all I looked into and, we know how hard it is to find the FULL story out there. But, we know that God DOES know the full story, and His vengeance will be sated.
Good night!
xoxo

truthquest · Jul 16, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
I'll tell you (the reader) what propelled me forward is that once I realized that my past wasn't just in my childhood, it was present. I was being stalked, threatened, and it went much much farther than that. When I realized that the cult was a present threat, I knew I couldn't just ignore it. For the sake of my children(!!) who are worth every bit of the pain of facing trauma memories ....to protect them and make their chances for freedom more attainable, I pressed forward ....I put in the time, the sweat, the prayers, and many many tears (as well as physical punishments by the cult) ....because that's what mothers do who want to do everything they can for their children. I wish I had the support and awareness that is offered here, earlier on in my life. I walked through most of my journey alone in large part. My children were young when I began my journey to freedom/deprogramming, but I wish I'd been able to begin when they were tiny. My hopes and prayer is that other survivors will not put off doing the legwork. Our children are worth it. Avoidance only makes it harder for them. Remember that.....

My children (now grown) have each thanked me for all I did to protect them. Amazingly, they think I'm the strongest person they know and the best mom in the world.... I think it's more the other way around. I have the most amazing children in the world ....strong, caring, loving.... God gave me these gifts,why wouldn't I lay down my life for theirs?

I wish I had been consciously aware when my children were growing up but I wasn't. So I failed to help them that way. I couldn't protect them. That's not my fault but I can't help feeling like I failed them. Now they're grown and I see them struggling with this. Although they aren't totally aware, they know something is happening to them. They know what I've told them and they are beginning to understand it more and I've told them about different ways to protect themselves. Because as you said, it is a present threat. I told them they better take this very seriously and be on guard. It is not all in the past. And it certainly can't be ignored.

truthquest · Jul 16, 2021

TLHKAJ said:
How in the world have you known me for 5 years and still don't understand that this has everything to do with spiritual warfare? If you think that MK is just a small part of the overall picture, then I KNOW you have not taken the time to actually get understanding. Do you understand that MK/SRA survivors are the slaves and tools of the elite cult to move the beast system forward and set the stage for antichrist?? No? I didn't think so. I think that went right over your head.

If you do not want to walk WITH survivors, then again.....please go elsewhere. I'd like to stop wasting my time and get this thread back on track.

FIVE STARS!!!! Preach it sister.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
Has something like a government car ever followed you or anything... What did you do if so. What is the goal if one is following you.

Yes ... I've had all sorts of vehicles follow me. I've had had my window shot out while driving past an international airport on my right and Dept of Homeland Security on my left. (The glass landed in my granddaughter's car seat, but thank God she wasn't with me that day.) Later that night, along the same area, someone pushed me off the road.

I have a lot I could say about this. Idk what you're ready to hear. The goal is intimidation. Whether it's a government car or not, I usually lose them, bc they've tried to push me off the road at times.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
I could just be paranoid. On the way to the fair I saw a black van with gov on the license plate. He smiled and waved at us with his window down, then rolled it up and drove in front for a little ways. It just made me uneasy

I can tell you that that isn't typical behavior for a government employee. Honestly, it sounds purposeful and deliberate. Idk how much counsel you're wanting, but if you were any other survivor who was actively deprogramming, I'd say, "Ask inside if anyone knows what that was about."

truthquest · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
Has something like a government car ever followed you or anything... What did you do if so. What is the goal if one is following you.

I was under surveillance for a while. This was back in the early nineties. At that time I was really involved in the whole UFO/alien thing. I didn't have a computer or cell phone back then. I would listen to a radio. Anyway, I was writing to different people; UFO researchers, people like Betty Hill and Betty Luca and some other people. Then my mail was being tampered with, ripped open, and some mail I never received. Other people had the same things happening to them who I was writing to. A white van was parked by the telephone pole with men acting like they were working on the phone line. This went on for at least a week or two. We could hear people talking on the phone in the background and we could hear an engine running. People following us in cars. Black helicopters flying so low over the house that the windows rattled and those black helicopters were loud and this happened often even during the night.

I recall that Betty Hill was quite a character. She made me laugh a lot in her letters. But then she told me that she had my handwriting analyzed for mental illness. Apparently she got a lot of letters from people about UFOs and aliens. I was a little upset and offended because she did that without my permission. She told me that she had an expert analyze my handwriting that showed no mental illness and that showed honesty and intelligence. We also talked by phone a few times. She passed away years later but we kept in contact through letters right up till after my husband had passed. She had started having health issues and I found out later that she had stomach cancer. That's when her letters stopped.

Betty Luca was convinced that she was being visited by angels. She also believed that UFOs and aliens were real. I tried to help her understand that a Satanic cult was taking her without her knowledge and that she was under mind control. But she didn't believe that. I'm not sure if she is still alive.

I came to realize that as long as I was just talking about UFOs and aliens in the letters that there were no threats of bodily harm or anything. But later on when I started talking about SRA, rituals, Satanism etc., that's when the threats started, serious threats and punishments.

lilygrace · Jul 16, 2021

it is true that praising God does help
but it tends to be invalidating and gaslighting when i am told to count my blessings or keep praising God or be grateful

lilygrace · Jul 16, 2021

i am pretty sure i am under surveillance or given hidden threats.
i am mocked for locking doors and keeping my phone and such private.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

lilygrace said:
i am pretty sure i am under surveillance or given hidden threats.
i am mocked for locking doors and keeping my phone and such private.

I have sensed this for a good while, sis. You're under intense pressure. Thankfully, you're in God's hands. He'll bring you through it. And you have a lot of support around you.

truthquest · Jul 16, 2021

truthquest said:
I was under surveillance for a while. This was back in the early nineties. At that time I was really involved in the whole UFO/alien thing. I didn't have a computer or cell phone back then. I would listen to a radio. Anyway, I was writing to different people; UFO researchers, people like Betty Hill and Betty Luca and some other people. Then my mail was being tampered with, ripped open, and some mail I never received. Other people had the same things happening to them who I was writing to. A white van was parked by the telephone pole with men acting like they were working on the phone line. This went on for at least a week or two. We could hear people talking on the phone in the background and we could hear an engine running. People following us in cars. Black helicopters flying so low over the house that the windows rattled and those black helicopters were loud and this happened often even during the night.

I recall that Betty Hill was quite a character. She made me laugh a lot in her letters. But then she told me that she had my handwriting analyzed for mental illness. Apparently she got a lot of letters from people about UFOs and aliens. I was a little upset and offended because she did that without my permission. She told me that she had an expert analyze my handwriting that showed no mental illness and that showed honesty and intelligence. We also talked by phone a few times. She passed away years later but we kept in contact through letters right up till after my husband had passed.

I came to realize that as long as I was just talking about UFOs and aliens in the letters that there were no threats of bodily harm or anything. But later on when I started talking about SRA, rituals, Satanism etc., that's when the threats started, serious threats and punishments.

Regarding the serious threats and punishments, one time I had to go to the ER. I was driving and approaching a red light. All of a sudden I felt this excruciating pain on the left side of my head, the whole left side. I could barely concentrate on driving. Then the pain moved into my face and down into my chest. I pulled over at a convenience store and sat in the car till the pain subsided. The ER tests showed nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing that would have caused that level of pain.

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
I'm honestly unsure what I'm doing. I'm unsure what deprogramming even is. I just have questions and quite a bit of fear. But I'm praying about this and going to talk to my pastor.

We'll be praying as you move forward. Just keep your eyes on the Lord, ears open to HIM, and don't give place to denial. It will only send you backwards.

lilygrace · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
I'm probably just going back to reading for now. I want to have support offline first before online. I cannot do this alone. I am not sure how to even talk to my husband about it

i hate to come across as bad but i have had such a hard time getting support offline. any beginning support you try for could be great at first and then there is a chance that any of the cult will contact these people and make you look nuts...

TLHKAJ · Jul 16, 2021

Mayflower said:
I'm probably just going back to reading for now. I want to have support offline first before online. I cannot do this alone. I am not sure how to even talk to my husband about it

If your heart is to walk toward freedom, God will get you there. It's not a cakewalk. There are many obstacles, and even dangers ....but keep your eyes on Christ, and allow Him to direct your steps. There are many things I won't say yet ..... but when you're ready, I'm here.

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