If you go back and read my post I mentioned you as far as heeding your own advice.
I also stated to everyone that breaking forum rules will no longer be overlooked.
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If you go back and read my post I mentioned you as far as heeding your own advice.
I also stated to everyone that breaking forum rules will no longer be overlooked.
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Just what advice is that? And which rules were violated?
Is this an unreasonable request?
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Say jiggyfly I find it hard to not repeat the mistakes of the past in your opinion, If you don't tell me what they were. 
Simply go back and read your own post #49 and then follow the same advice you gave to Robbie and Aspen.
Nomad
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Robbie,
It's simply not true that the appellation "the word of God" belongs to Christ alone. The following is a list of Scripture references where God's communication to man, whether preached or written, is termed "the word of God." It should also be noted that the Greek term for "word" in every reference listed below is "logos."
Mark 7:13
Luke 5 :1, 8:1, 8:21, 11:28
John 10:35
Acts 4:31, 6:2, 6:7, 8:14, 11:1, 12:24, 13:5, 13:7, 13:46, 17:13, 18:11
Romans 9:6
1 Cor. 14:36
1 Thess. 2:13
1 Timothy 4:5
2 Timothy 2:9
Hebrews 13:7
Very nice! I love it. What a good time to say to all 'thank you,' those who strengthen others in the Truth.
Robbie
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How many of those scriptures you quoted are talking about the bible when the bible wasn't even compiled when they were written.. obviouslly since they weren't talking about the writings they were writing right?
Look at Geneses and John...
Genesis says God spoke everything into creation... John says all things were made through Christ... because John understood that Jesus was God's Word manifest in the flesh... Jesus was God speaking manifested into a person... He is the perfect revelation of the Father... before Him everything was veiled...
So I have a question for you brother...
In Revelation it says:
I'm pretty sure we all believe that's talking about Jesus right?
I personally believe that's Jesus and I can see all through the testimonies to Christ that His name is the Word of God... like I keep saying... I don't see anywhere in the bible that it says, "In the future they're going to make a book compiled of different writings and you're to call that book the Word of God"
What I do see is people saying that God's Word is in those who believe... other times I hear people say that Christ is in those who believe... I believe that's one in the same... because Christ is God's Word... I also see Jesus say to the Pharisees that God's Word wasn't in them even though they searched the scriptures... according to the idea that the scriptures are the Word of God they would have been searching the Word of God for eternal life... but Jesus said they searched the scriptures and wouldn't fined eternal life in them because they just testified of Him... in order to have life we need to come to Him... the Word of God...
So for me I don't call the bible the Word of God but I do believe what the bible says... that Jesus is God's Word...
Hope this blesses...
Look at Geneses and John...
Genesis says God spoke everything into creation... John says all things were made through Christ... because John understood that Jesus was God's Word manifest in the flesh... Jesus was God speaking manifested into a person... He is the perfect revelation of the Father... before Him everything was veiled...
So I have a question for you brother...
In Revelation it says:
I'm pretty sure we all believe that's talking about Jesus right?
I personally believe that's Jesus and I can see all through the testimonies to Christ that His name is the Word of God... like I keep saying... I don't see anywhere in the bible that it says, "In the future they're going to make a book compiled of different writings and you're to call that book the Word of God"
What I do see is people saying that God's Word is in those who believe... other times I hear people say that Christ is in those who believe... I believe that's one in the same... because Christ is God's Word... I also see Jesus say to the Pharisees that God's Word wasn't in them even though they searched the scriptures... according to the idea that the scriptures are the Word of God they would have been searching the Word of God for eternal life... but Jesus said they searched the scriptures and wouldn't fined eternal life in them because they just testified of Him... in order to have life we need to come to Him... the Word of God...
So for me I don't call the bible the Word of God but I do believe what the bible says... that Jesus is God's Word...
Hope this blesses...
Nomad
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Robbie,
I think you missed the point. You said that only Jesus is "the word of God." I demonstrated that that is simply not the case. The Scripture references I gave you show that all of God's communication to man is called "the word of God." This would include written communication. Does not Paul tell us that all Scripture is God-breathed? Does that not make all Scripture God's written communication to man? Therefore, is not God's "God-breathed" written communication rightly termed "the word of God?"
I think you missed the point. You said that only Jesus is "the word of God." I demonstrated that that is simply not the case. The Scripture references I gave you show that all of God's communication to man is called "the word of God." This would include written communication. Does not Paul tell us that all Scripture is God-breathed? Does that not make all Scripture God's written communication to man? Therefore, is not God's "God-breathed" written communication rightly termed "the word of God?"
It just isn't right the way you explain John 5:39. Jesus isn't putting down the scriptures, as you suggest. They don't have eternal life because they don't believe what is written about Him!
John 5:36-40
[sup]36[/sup] “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. [sup]37[/sup] And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, [sup]38[/sup] nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. [sup]39[/sup] You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, [sup]40[/sup] yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
John 5:45-47
[sup]45[/sup] “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. [sup]46[/sup] If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. [sup]47[/sup] But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”
Robbie
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Nah man... I think you're missing my point... I asked you a question that you didn't answer... so I'll try to restate it...
The bible says clearly that Jesus is the Word of God right? Is there anywhere it clearly says that years after all those letters were already written they'd be compiled into a book and we are to call that the Word of God?
And if the Word of God is scriptures then why did Jesus say?
"But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."
I personally believe it's having Christ in us that's having God's Word in us... I believe Jesus that the scriptures just testify of God's Word... Jesus Christ...
Like I said... show me anywhere in the bible it says that a bunch of writings were going to be compiled into a book and we were to call that book the Word of God?
Even the part you talked about was written before the bible was compiled... I don't buy that Paul saying scripture was God breathed is the same as saying that some book compiled years after Paul even wrote that letter is the Word of God...
I understand that's what a lot of people base their religion on but I don't agree...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
Also when do you ever hear Jesus say, "If you read the scriptures you'll have eternal life" Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
I just believe different I guess...
The bible says clearly that Jesus is the Word of God right? Is there anywhere it clearly says that years after all those letters were already written they'd be compiled into a book and we are to call that the Word of God?
And if the Word of God is scriptures then why did Jesus say?
"But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."
I personally believe it's having Christ in us that's having God's Word in us... I believe Jesus that the scriptures just testify of God's Word... Jesus Christ...
Like I said... show me anywhere in the bible it says that a bunch of writings were going to be compiled into a book and we were to call that book the Word of God?
Even the part you talked about was written before the bible was compiled... I don't buy that Paul saying scripture was God breathed is the same as saying that some book compiled years after Paul even wrote that letter is the Word of God...
I understand that's what a lot of people base their religion on but I don't agree...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
Also when do you ever hear Jesus say, "If you read the scriptures you'll have eternal life" Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
I just believe different I guess...
Nomad
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You said that only Jesus is "the word of God." I demonstrated that that is simply not the case. The Scripture references I gave you show that all of God's communication to man is called "the word of God." This would include written communication. Does not Paul tell us that all Scripture is God-breathed? Does that not make all Scripture God's written communication to man? Therefore, is not God's "God-breathed" written communication rightly termed "the word of God?"
Nomad
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I almost missed this. Thanks Anastasia.
Well Robbie, here's your answer. Jesus himself may not have said the following, but the inspired Apostle Paul did.
2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Robbie
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Alright... I feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over... but I'll try once more...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
If Moses and Elijah are God's Word why didn't God tell the disciple to listen to them to?
Also...
Jesus said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
If eternal life comes through every Word of God and the bible is the Word of God why did Jesus say the scriptures just testified of Him and we needed to come to Him in order to have eternal life...
Also why did Jesus say, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." Instead of, "He who hears the scriptures and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
If the scriptures are the Word of God we'd be able to find eternal life in the scriptures... but we can't... because it's not... Jesus is God's Word... that's why when we come to Him alone we obtain eternal life...
To me calling the bible God's Word is throwing out everything that testifies to Jesus being the Word because of one sentence Paul wrote that was before the bible was even compiled...
I just can't see doing that... but thanks for sharing your beliefs with me...
PS: It says the scriptures can make you wise... it doesn't say they can save you... Jesus clearly says you can search the scriptures all you want but you can't find eternal life in them... you can only find eternal life by coming to Him because He is God's Word... you can find the scriptures testifying of Him... which can make you wise for salvation... but they can't save you... so I agree with what that says... but not with what you're saying it says...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
If Moses and Elijah are God's Word why didn't God tell the disciple to listen to them to?
Also...
Jesus said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
If eternal life comes through every Word of God and the bible is the Word of God why did Jesus say the scriptures just testified of Him and we needed to come to Him in order to have eternal life...
Also why did Jesus say, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." Instead of, "He who hears the scriptures and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
If the scriptures are the Word of God we'd be able to find eternal life in the scriptures... but we can't... because it's not... Jesus is God's Word... that's why when we come to Him alone we obtain eternal life...
To me calling the bible God's Word is throwing out everything that testifies to Jesus being the Word because of one sentence Paul wrote that was before the bible was even compiled...
I just can't see doing that... but thanks for sharing your beliefs with me...
PS: It says the scriptures can make you wise... it doesn't say they can save you... Jesus clearly says you can search the scriptures all you want but you can't find eternal life in them... you can only find eternal life by coming to Him because He is God's Word... you can find the scriptures testifying of Him... which can make you wise for salvation... but they can't save you... so I agree with what that says... but not with what you're saying it says...
Nomad
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2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Robbie
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Alright... I feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over... but I'll try once more...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
If Moses and Elijah are God's Word why didn't God tell the disciple to listen to them to?
Also...
Jesus said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
If eternal life comes through every Word of God and the bible is the Word of God why did Jesus say the scriptures just testified of Him and we needed to come to Him in order to have eternal life...
Also why did Jesus say, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." Instead of, "He who hears the scriptures and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
If the scriptures are the Word of God we'd be able to find eternal life in the scriptures... but we can't... because it's not... Jesus is God's Word... that's why when we come to Him alone we obtain eternal life...
To me calling the bible God's Word is throwing out everything that testifies to Jesus being the Word because of one sentence Paul wrote that was before the bible was even compiled...
I just can't see doing that... but thanks for sharing your beliefs with me...
PS: It says the scriptures can make you wise... it doesn't say they can save you... Jesus clearly says you can search the scriptures all you want but you can't find eternal life in them... you can only find eternal life by coming to Him because He is God's Word... you can find the scriptures testifying of Him... which can make you wise for salvation... but they can't save you... so I agree with what that says... but not with what you're saying it says...
I believe the fullness of the revelation is in Christ alone... when Moses, Jesus and Elijah were on the mountain God didn't say, "These are all my Word... hear all of them and Paul to" God said, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” and when the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone.
If Moses and Elijah are God's Word why didn't God tell the disciple to listen to them to?
Also...
Jesus said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
If eternal life comes through every Word of God and the bible is the Word of God why did Jesus say the scriptures just testified of Him and we needed to come to Him in order to have eternal life...
Also why did Jesus say, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." Instead of, "He who hears the scriptures and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
If the scriptures are the Word of God we'd be able to find eternal life in the scriptures... but we can't... because it's not... Jesus is God's Word... that's why when we come to Him alone we obtain eternal life...
To me calling the bible God's Word is throwing out everything that testifies to Jesus being the Word because of one sentence Paul wrote that was before the bible was even compiled...
I just can't see doing that... but thanks for sharing your beliefs with me...
PS: It says the scriptures can make you wise... it doesn't say they can save you... Jesus clearly says you can search the scriptures all you want but you can't find eternal life in them... you can only find eternal life by coming to Him because He is God's Word... you can find the scriptures testifying of Him... which can make you wise for salvation... but they can't save you... so I agree with what that says... but not with what you're saying it says...
Nomad, I really do think Robbie has me on ignore. Robbie doesn't understand the scripture he keeps using to justify what he says about the written word. Please, show him that they don't have eternal life because they don't believe what is written about Jesus, not because Jesus is lowering the importance of the written word. See John 5:47.
Robbie
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I'm going to leave it at that Nomad... I read through the progression of this thread and we've both just been repeating ourselves for several posts now... my guess is if we continue it will escalate in a negative direction... I think we've both shared enough that we can think about what each other is saying and try to understand each others beliefs... I understand your beliefs not only by what you said but also because I believed the same based on the same scriptures... so let's think about what each other has written up to this point and move on... I just don't want to be a part of any arguments on here... I want to share beliefs... not argue about them...
Be blessed and continue to test everything I'm saying... I encourage you to...
Be blessed and continue to test everything I'm saying... I encourage you to...
Nomad
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What did Jesus say? It is written? That's very interesting. Maybe you should have the same confidence in the written word that Jesus had.
It's actually quite to the contrary. Open your eyes Robbie. Paul contradicts you.
2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it
2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
I think Robbie ignores all that doesn't conform to his presuppositions. It's sad to watch such willful, deliberate blindness.
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I guess I'm just into sharing personal story's lately reading about Christians brings a memory to mind, the poll numbers in the US says that like 80% of Americans are Christians. I've been hitch hiking after my divorce, I caught a train from out of salt lake I rode in the pushers the engines that push from the middle or end the end of the train, their run by remote control. And have bathrooms. Went from salt lake to grand junction CO. I was headed to Des Moines IA. I caught a ride out of grand junction with a trucker that was headed to Kansas a bit off the freeway but I don't mind. Well I found myself in a small town in the middle of Kansas. I would be their listening to christian radio on my tiny AA sony AM FM with little head phones next to the road many times reading my bible as well. Wondering about those numbers 80% christian? I wonder how many Christians have driven by today? I got stuck in this little town in Kansas. I mean nobody would give me a ride, my close were always clean, I at least washed my hair every day, I didn't look bad or smell bad as well. I had gear and clean close a little food. I was out on the highway that went right threw town all day long. There was a church I could see up the street from where I was at, Its door was unlocked and I could use the bathroom. I didn't stay in the church that night I knew everyone in town by now knew there was a stranger / hitch hiker in town. I didn't need trouble by sleeping in side with out permission. I sleep outside out of sight. The next day I had some coffie and breakfast in the little shop on the highway. The church highway and coffee shop were all like within two blocks from each other. This guy asked if I wanted to do a little work, like I said Im sure everyone in the county knew a stranger was in town. I did some corn rouging for him that day till about 2 pm. Walking the field cutting out rouge corn and weeds by hand. I thought great, as well as making a few bucks maybe this was the way the town people were going to figure me out. See that Im not some nut or killer. Well I spent the rest of that day as I said listening to my sony AM FM tuned into any christian station in the area, thats just the way I rolled. All the next day as well reading and listening to the bible. Been stuck in this little town for 3 days now and have only had conversion with one person. Using their church bathroom, reading my bible, willing to work, and not one person even came and spoke a word to me, just the people that ran the cash register where I ate and bought drinks. about 1 or 2 in the after noon of the 4th day a sheriff pulled over. Told me people were concerned ect. After we got talking He gave me a ride to the county line, the sheriff from that county picked me up and had found a church with in a few minuets that would buy me a bus ticket to Des Moines IA the place I was headed. But I never forgot that little town. I have always wondered what it would be like to sit in that church and listen to a Sunday service. People would just drive by me and stare at me like I had 3 heads. 80% of all Americans profess to be christian.
