I would like to ask you guys about women who have strong desire to be faithful to God and don't feel right to be submissive to the authority of their leaders like husbands and their congregation leaders because they are convicted that their leaders are not in line with the Lord. What do you think? Thank you
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(betchevy;9996)
Judges 4 ///sometimes a woman is God's instument to be used against evil...
Thank you bet for you encouragement.
Judges 4 ///sometimes a woman is God's instument to be used against evil...
Thank you bet for you encouragement.
BTW, I am churchless and husbandless(we are separated; not divorced). I still believe I have my own church; my family and forums and other faithful ones without actually encountering or talking because I am still serving God and spiritualy cooperating with them for His mission.
Another addition is that I am not talking about perfection. Christions should know the difference between imperfectin and hypocrisy. We cannot do anything about imperfection but hypocrisy is evil.
I would say that the woman, if she is to fulfill her role as God has ordained, must submit to authority. I don't know the situation that you are in, Faithful1 with your husband and Church, but it is always safe to go to the Word of God to find out what it says rather than to man's (or woman's) opinions. Genesis is a good place to go for the study of the roles of man and woman, and if you are interested I can carry on a private discussion with you concerning that at [email protected], and I am more than willing to work with you to show you what is there. The most clear portion of Scripture that shows the role of the woman: Ephesians 5:22-24Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is the head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Chist, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. What are wives to be submissive in? It states "in everything". If you wish to be submissive to the Lord, you must submit to the husband. Not popular by any means, but it is the Word of God.
thanks writer, I actually am not asking for advice. I will not obey any authority if they are not in line with God, period. do you remember Daniel and His three companions? They did not obey their authority because he was not in line with God.
(writer4hisglory;10023)
That is concerning governmental authority, not husbands...
There are many kinds of authority. And you seem to be missing my point. I am talking about any authority that women has to be submissive to.BTW, I am not forcing you to be in my thread.
That is concerning governmental authority, not husbands...
There are many kinds of authority. And you seem to be missing my point. I am talking about any authority that women has to be submissive to.BTW, I am not forcing you to be in my thread.
Men rather husbands or leaders are suposed to rule in the way of Christ if they do not you are NOT required to submit to them. If a husband/leader is abusive or follows the ways of the world or Satan you are not to submit to him.
(kriss;10042)
Men rather husbands or leaders are suposed to rule in the way of Christ if they do not you are NOT required to submit to them. If a husband/leader is abusive or follows the ways of the world or Satan you are not to submit to him.
I agree.
Men rather husbands or leaders are suposed to rule in the way of Christ if they do not you are NOT required to submit to them. If a husband/leader is abusive or follows the ways of the world or Satan you are not to submit to him.
I agree.
(Faithful1;10021)
thanks writer, I actually am not asking for advice. I will not obey any authority if they are not in line with God, period. do you remember Daniel and His three companions? They did not obey their authority because he was not in line with God.
How about clarifying some. What do you mean by an authority that is not in line with God? Perhaps you mean the person in authority doesn't keep their personal life in line with God. Or, maybe you mean that the commands that the person is giving you are immoral to execute. These are two different things. Or, I suppose you could mean that the person has usurped authority, and is not a legitimate authority at all.For example, I would not obey a command to perform an abortion. This is like the second case I described above.
thanks writer, I actually am not asking for advice. I will not obey any authority if they are not in line with God, period. do you remember Daniel and His three companions? They did not obey their authority because he was not in line with God.
How about clarifying some. What do you mean by an authority that is not in line with God? Perhaps you mean the person in authority doesn't keep their personal life in line with God. Or, maybe you mean that the commands that the person is giving you are immoral to execute. These are two different things. Or, I suppose you could mean that the person has usurped authority, and is not a legitimate authority at all.For example, I would not obey a command to perform an abortion. This is like the second case I described above.
(B'midbar;10047)
How about clarifying some. What do you mean by an authority that is not in line with God? Perhaps you mean the person in authority doesn't keep their personal life in line with God.
ok B, to be clear I will be very personal. My husband has been claiming to be christian all his life and attending church, but he married me knowing I am not believer. Of course our marriage has been unhappy and kids suffered because of my unbelief and his disobedience. I finally asked God and Jesus to come into my life and accepted Him as my Lord and Savior. I started reading the Bible and strived to obey everything I learned. Three out of our four kids accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior too after I became believer. In the meantime my husband became worse and worse as Christian, husband and father. I knew it would be a stumbling block for our kids if we stayed together in an unharmonized unpeaceful marriage. So I asked him to make a decision to repent and serve God and become good example to all of us as spiritual leader, as the Bible commands. But he did not want to give up worldly lifestyle and he left us because all our kids did not want to be raised by him.So there you have it. I did not stay with him just because he demands I should be submissive to him no matter what. And many other Christians advised me to stay with him no matter what, too. According to him I am the one who is disobedient to the Bible by not staying with him. Incidentally, he has a lifelong porn hobby among other worldly hobbies.I will be back for the rest. Thank you for your specific questions.
How about clarifying some. What do you mean by an authority that is not in line with God? Perhaps you mean the person in authority doesn't keep their personal life in line with God.
ok B, to be clear I will be very personal. My husband has been claiming to be christian all his life and attending church, but he married me knowing I am not believer. Of course our marriage has been unhappy and kids suffered because of my unbelief and his disobedience. I finally asked God and Jesus to come into my life and accepted Him as my Lord and Savior. I started reading the Bible and strived to obey everything I learned. Three out of our four kids accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior too after I became believer. In the meantime my husband became worse and worse as Christian, husband and father. I knew it would be a stumbling block for our kids if we stayed together in an unharmonized unpeaceful marriage. So I asked him to make a decision to repent and serve God and become good example to all of us as spiritual leader, as the Bible commands. But he did not want to give up worldly lifestyle and he left us because all our kids did not want to be raised by him.So there you have it. I did not stay with him just because he demands I should be submissive to him no matter what. And many other Christians advised me to stay with him no matter what, too. According to him I am the one who is disobedient to the Bible by not staying with him. Incidentally, he has a lifelong porn hobby among other worldly hobbies.I will be back for the rest. Thank you for your specific questions.
(Faithful1;10049)
But he did not want to give up worldly lifestyle and he left us because all our kids did not want to be raised by him.
Oh, Faithful, I can’t tell you what you should have done there. I can only tell you that I’m sorry it has been rough for you. When I’ve been in tough spots, people gave me all sorts of advice. But often they overlay their own experience upon mine, so that the advice doesn’t match me. I’ve gotten better about ignoring the advice of other people, but every so often I still succumb.I can tell you this. I really do know how nasty that porn thing can be in a marriage. Since you brought up this topic of submission, why are you asking about it? Is it that you doubt yourself? Or do you want to know that other Christians can support the idea of leaving a situation that it is wrong to stay in? If that is it, then I can help
I do think in some cases it is best to get out of the situation.Feel free to let me know if I can help. Sometimes I can't tell if all a person wants is to be listened to, or if they want feedback, or what.
But he did not want to give up worldly lifestyle and he left us because all our kids did not want to be raised by him.
Oh, Faithful, I can’t tell you what you should have done there. I can only tell you that I’m sorry it has been rough for you. When I’ve been in tough spots, people gave me all sorts of advice. But often they overlay their own experience upon mine, so that the advice doesn’t match me. I’ve gotten better about ignoring the advice of other people, but every so often I still succumb.I can tell you this. I really do know how nasty that porn thing can be in a marriage. Since you brought up this topic of submission, why are you asking about it? Is it that you doubt yourself? Or do you want to know that other Christians can support the idea of leaving a situation that it is wrong to stay in? If that is it, then I can help
God never intended women to be floor mats to men. or any one for that matter.. there are some men who think if they say something us woman are suppose to submit to them as the authority rather than the word of God... God used woman to lead many times.. and men have always tried to make strong woman out to be bad women.. Rahab was called a harlot... but on the roof of her home were these stacks of flax... she was a worker in flax ,making cloth... but later some man added the word harlot because the man who was copying it didn't like strong woman.. The line in the word that says woman shouldn't talk in church in the greek means chatter... in the syagogues it is common place for anyone to talk among themselves if they desire... not paying attention to the speaker is common place...I was shocked the first time I ever went... and this chatter is what was being addressed not women being church leaders..Most churches today are involved in Nicolationism... they have set up little kingdoms with the pastor being the revered one(reverend) and the deacons or elders being next, in pecking order the men then the women are the servants . In Revelation Christ tells us through John he hates this Nicolation type church....the pastor is suppose to be a servant preparing the pasture for the people, not a lord....You are doing the right thing to leave a man who is being verbally abusive... especially in front of your children... God will take care of you and protect you..He is the best husband you can have.. I will be praying for you and your children to have peace...and for God to supply your needs...You never need to submit to a man who is not doing what God requires Him to do.. and divorce is not the unforgivable sin...IN Ephesians 5 before the 22nd verse about submitting to your husband it says this in Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know that no whoremonger nor unclean person nor covetous man who is an idolator hath any inheritence to the kingdom of Christ and of God.the verses in the 20th to the end of the chapter is givng an analogy of the church .. nor advice to families ...it is talking about the church being like a marraige with Christ as the husband... if you want advice on how we are to treat one another James is a much better place to look... for someone who doesnt know what your husband is doing saying you should submit to him is being foolish beyond belief... God would never require you to do such a thing...
I can tell you this. I really do know how nasty that porn thing can be in a marriage. Since you brought up this topic of submission, why are you asking about it? Is it that you doubt yourself? Or do you want to know that other Christians can support the idea of leaving a situation that it is wrong to stay in? If that is it, then I can help
I do think in some cases it is best to get out of the situation.
I just want to encourage people to follow and trust your Holy Spirit. There are so many people give advice that is not biblical. I asked around people our predicament because I was very new believer and was so confused. Now I feel confident that I can encourage anyone come to me for advice to trust the Bible and make their own decision. Outsiders don't know exactly what is going on in the family.
I just want to encourage people to follow and trust your Holy Spirit. There are so many people give advice that is not biblical. I asked around people our predicament because I was very new believer and was so confused. Now I feel confident that I can encourage anyone come to me for advice to trust the Bible and make their own decision. Outsiders don't know exactly what is going on in the family.
Most churches today are involved in Nicolationism... they have set up little kingdoms with the pastor being the revered one(reverend) and the deacons or elders being next, in pecking order the men then the women are the servants . In Revelation Christ tells us through John he hates this Nicolation type church....the pastor is suppose to be a servant preparing the pasture for the people, not a lord....
You are so right about this, Bet. We have to read the Bible diligently ourselves and not rely on church and theologians interpretation, and strive to obey everything what we are learning, then Holy spirit will help us to overcome every predicament we encounter; this is promise of Jesus.
You are so right about this, Bet. We have to read the Bible diligently ourselves and not rely on church and theologians interpretation, and strive to obey everything what we are learning, then Holy spirit will help us to overcome every predicament we encounter; this is promise of Jesus.
(B'midbar;10047)
Or, maybe you mean that the commands that the person is giving you are immoral to execute.
I already addressed this and got huge negative reaction; actually everytime I mention my conviction of anti-military, I get clobbered badly.
These are two different things. Or, I suppose you could mean that the person has usurped authority, and is not a legitimate authority at all.
But still authority.
ample, I would not obey a command to perform an abortion. This is like the second case I described above.
You are being too specific.
Or, maybe you mean that the commands that the person is giving you are immoral to execute.
I already addressed this and got huge negative reaction; actually everytime I mention my conviction of anti-military, I get clobbered badly.
These are two different things. Or, I suppose you could mean that the person has usurped authority, and is not a legitimate authority at all.
But still authority.
ample, I would not obey a command to perform an abortion. This is like the second case I described above.
You are being too specific.
Remember faithful1 even God divorced Israel for a timeIt appears to me you have accepted your part in the failed relationship and are trying to stay in his word. It is not the unforgivable sin. So in Gods eyes if you repented it is forgotten. You just need to have enough faith to believe he has forgiven you,so forgive yourself and keep truckin girl.
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