The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

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Hi brightfame52.

I haven't read all the posts but I think the discussion is about the difference between God's "sufficient grace" and His "efficient grace".

Although the suffering and sacrifice by Christ on the Cross quarantees God's Grace is "sufficient" to cover the sins of the entire world, the reality is that because His Grace is only accessible through faith in Christ, it is therefore only “efficient” to those having no will or desire to resist it, as evidence of the Holy Spirit at work in their lives.

Sufficent to save anyone and everyone. Efficient to save those who hear the Word of God in faith which thus produces fruit.

where is that in the Bible
Grace only available by faith alone?
 

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Particular Salvation for the Children ! cont

So Death has been abolished for the Children, those whom Christ died for !Now more into the definiteness who the Children are that Christ came and took on Flesh and Blood in behalf of ! Is it all Humanity without exception ? No it is NOT, for the Children are those given to Christ in Election Heb 2:13,16

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

And secondly the Children are the Seed of Abraham Vs 16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Bingo, this tells us specifically that it was not for the Human Race without exception that Christ came to deliver from the fear of Death, but for a specific seed.

As it is written in many translations it reads like this:

For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham.

For verily not to angels doth he give help, but he giveth help to the seed of Abraham.

Thats simply is the Elect of the World of mankind ! It is God's Elect People out of all Nations Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

God gave Abraham a Seed in the Gentile Nations; Now lets look at Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

And so that is who is meant in Heb 2:16 the seed of Abraham ! All the Seed of Abraham Rom 4:16 is whom Christ particularly came to save, and no others !434
 

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Hi brightfame52.

I haven't read all the posts but I think the discussion is about the difference between God's "sufficient grace" and His "efficient grace".

Although the suffering and sacrifice by Christ on the Cross quarantees God's Grace is "sufficient" to cover the sins of the entire world, the reality is that because His Grace is only accessible through faith in Christ, it is therefore only “efficient” to those having no will or desire to resist it, as evidence of the Holy Spirit at work in their lives.

Sufficent to save anyone and everyone. Efficient to save those who hear the Word of God in faith which thus produces fruit.
I dont know what you talking about ! Perhaps you need to read the posts !
 

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Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

His People Isa 53:8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

Are all without exception His Church ? No

Are all without exception His People ? No

For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
What made you think about this?

To play the advocate:

He gave His son because He loved the world.
But all the world does not receive Him.

Those in the church were once worldly
He said that He would that no one parish, right?

What would the exceptions be?
 

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Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

His People Isa 53:8

8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

Are all without exception His Church ? No

Are all without exception His People ? No

For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
Your are correct in some points. It is true, only His sheep hear His voice and will be saved. Judgement Day cannot be denied, not all will be saved.
The theology of limited atonement is wrong.
God is infinite in His power. Just to label His power, ability, will and sacrifice to be limited is to imply His blood was not sufficient, and finite. The end result is a finite number, a remnant, but that is because of man,,not God. The loss is man's fault,,not God's insufficiency.
Thinking of it rather this way: Jesus paid the price for all our sins, but all do not receive it. He sent out an offer to whosoever will and they rejected it.
It is like if you extremely wealthy and invited 1000 people on a cruise. You paid for their their tickets - all of them. You knew many wouldn't show up, but their ticket was paid for anyways. You sent out the invitations with brochures explaining who you are and all about this wonderful cruise. Many have not heard of you, do not know you, so they don't trust you. But they do hear that others do know you and trust that this cruise is real.
Gradually, one by one respond with enthusiasm, joy and gratitude. They tell the others who have been invited, but they ignore them, don't really believe anyone paid for a cruise or that the host or such a cruise exists. You confirm the reservations of those who have responded and continue to reach out to those who have not. The date is approaching, folks still trickling in, but many still have not. A free cruise ....and they reject it. All they have to do is believe in you and your free gift, respond and receive it so that you can confirm their reservation.
You know they have all received the invitations and brochures multuple times by mail, phone calls and people personally contacting them. Many of these non-believers are even reacting with hostility towards those who are telling them about what they believe is a myth, a cruise to nowhere by a host that does not exist. They are just not interested and have better things to do. The day of the cruise arrives. You wanted them all to show up. All they had to do was believe. The tickets were paid for and went to waste.
The atonement was sufficient for all, but not all receive it because they are not willing.
It reminds of when Jesus said, He often desired to gather them as a hen gathers her chicks but they were not willing.
We know we are His sheep, but was I always a sheep? I believe I became a sheep. A sheep hears his shepherd's voice. I did not, because I was not a sheep. What are the qualities of a sheep? They are humble, know and fear their master, are dependent on Him, hear his voice and are obedient. Sometimes they wander off and the master goes and finds them and brings them back.
I don't think I was a wolf, but maybe a goat who became a sheep.
 

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Particular Salvation for the Children ! cont

So Death has been abolished for the Children, those whom Christ died for !Now more into the definiteness who the Children are that Christ came and took on Flesh and Blood in behalf of ! Is it all Humanity without exception ? No it is NOT, for the Children are those given to Christ in Election Heb 2:13,16

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

And secondly the Children are the Seed of Abraham Vs 16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Bingo, this tells us specifically that it was not for the Human Race without exception that Christ came to deliver from the fear of Death, but for a specific seed.

As it is written in many translations it reads like this:

For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham.

For verily not to angels doth he give help, but he giveth help to the seed of Abraham.

Thats simply is the Elect of the World of mankind ! It is God's Elect People out of all Nations Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

God gave Abraham a Seed in the Gentile Nations; Now lets look at Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

And so that is who is meant in Heb 2:16 the seed of Abraham ! All the Seed of Abraham Rom 4:16 is whom Christ particularly came to save, and no others !434

faith yes
Faith alone no
 

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You lost me


Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!
 

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Hi, how about st John 3:16......whosoever does not have a boundary?

But MUST be bounded by other Scripture, such as Matthew 7:21.

The Bible is a remarkably figurative book. “If you tear down this temple, I’ll build it back in 3 days” is just one of many metaphorical verses.

Make a blessed day!
 

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If you would just re-read my response from the original post you would see that I answered that question...but maybe I answered too accurately.

You changed the question, so you did not answer the question I posed to you; therefore, you did not answer the question accurately.

By making it personal you are deviating from the truth as to your own predicament.

Here, let me answer this question:

Do I believe that I, right now, am a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?

No, I am not part of the whole world as used by the Apostle John "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

By God's grace mercy and Power I am not touched by the evil one (1 John 5:18), and "lies in" (1 John 5:19) is intimate "touch" (1 John 5:18), so I am not part of "the whole world" in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

Do you want to compare your depravities with that of others? You should be asking "am I under the sway of the evil one?...not foist that on another person. But regardless on these forums I don't expect humility and real concern for one's own depravity as that is seen as unimportant because of poor teaching.

I am talking about the work of God in man.

I am talking about the Christian doctrine of the word "world" as used in the New Testament.

I am not talking about comparisons between people when I asked you the question.

I am talking about the Apostle John's teaching.

I am asking very specifically if you believe that you are part of the group of people that the Apostle John refers to as "the whole world" in 1 John 5:19.

Now I normally would not answer the same question over again what I already have

You evaded answering the question.

but i will because you seem to have a gap in your understanding of the word.

So here is my answer again....

Well, I'm ready to read on...

The whole world is under the sway of the devil...UNLESS......that person is abiding in Christ.

I did not ask if you are under the sway of the devil.

I asked "do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?".

John did not write "sway".

John did write the word "lies".

To the degree that our minds are not that of Christ we will come under the sway of the devil through ignorance of His ways or else ignorance of God's ways.

There's the wrong word "sway" for 1 John 5:19 again, so here is the link to the concordance for the actual word that John used

Strong's Greek: 2749. κεῖμαι (keimai) -- to be laid, lie

The word is accurately "lies", so you are evading the question.

But if we are uncrucified in the outer man, then the devil will catch us as he wills. It is a game of cat and mouse, IOW, until we are crucified in the outer man and become DEAD to sin and the pull of this world.

“And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” (2 Tim. 2:26)

The Apostle Paul wrote "if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will" (2 Timothy 2:25-26).

So Paul tells us that God grants repentance, and this is a wonderful work of God, and work of God severs people from the devil's will.

So Paul is talking about the separation from the devil which is similar to John's writing of Christians overcoming the devil (1 John 2:13) and Christian's not being touched by the devil (1 John 5:18).

I'm glad you brought up 2 Timothy 2:26 because it relates to the question I posed to you.

Now only the devil looks to either exalt or abase a brother, through a smug accusatory tone, so I won't say more than that since I don't know you or trust you with anything personal, either way.

Christians are ready to give an answer in season and out of season (2 Timothy 4:2), but look at you, you say you will not.

this is not a forum of disclosure or a platform for either justification or condemnation based on intimate details of one's personal walk. And I certainly don't think that a given doctrine needs to be used against a person. Or that such a doctrine might be a chance to boast, even in the Lord.

I made no request of intimate details.

I did not request that you list a series of sins that would make you a part of the whole world in 1 John 5:19.

The inquiry I made of you is quite simple. According to your belief, are you a part of the group that John refers to as "the whole world" in 1 John 5:19?

It is the Holy Spirit that convicts someone of sin. And it is the Spirit that brings the peace and joy of a walk that is pleasing to God.
You should let the Spirit teach you since you obviously will not receive something that is meant for your inner man to let slip past your outer man if it comes from a brother. And that is the whole issue.

You just changed the question, again.

The question is not about being pleasing to God.

The question is not about the "the inner man".

That is not "the whole issue" about the question.

The question is, do you believe that you are a part of the group that John refers to as "the whole world" in 1 John 5:19?

As we defend ourselves against the truth we are building up the walls of defense against the Lord. Will you deny the truth of the word in order to seek to fulfill the words of God elsewhere? So you should challenge your own understanding.

What it looks like to me is that you are seeking to hide your own depravities behind a challenge of the existence of those same depravities in others. But doing that is itself another depravity. So I don't get involved in such things, and neither should you. You will be judged for what you do. And I will be judged for what I have done. That should be enough for you. What do you care if a brother is either behind you or ahead of you in becoming free from the pull of this world? Does that change the truth of the word?

You did not answer the question, so here is the question again:

Episkopos, do you believe that you, right now, are in the group of people that are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?
 

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where is that in the Bible
Grace only available by faith alone?
Hi theefaith,

Faith is the conduit through which grace flows from God, and the corridor through which access to God's grace is gained, as per these references:

Eph 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, (9) not of works, lest anyone should boast. (10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Rom 5:1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (2) through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
 

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Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!

"Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2"

Where does scripture say "all" men are redeemed in Christ? I did not see that in Eph 2. I would think if "all" men are redeemed in Christ then no one is in Hell, or will be in Hell.
But is that what scripture teaches?

So if redemption is done solely by God then are we not puppets? Doesn't That mean no one has to receive the gift. The gift then must be forced to receive?

So I don't believe "all" men are redeemed in Christ, but, however redemption is offered to all men.



But my thought is God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith that has to be exercised by us. While Jesus obtained eternal redemption through His blood alone.....it's only useful for those who have faith in Him.

"Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ!"

Well I can possibly see some of that in the context of scripture....For we are brought near by His death....that the body of sin might be destroyed, most likely by His life.




 

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But MUST be bounded by other Scripture, such as Matthew 7:21.

The Bible is a remarkably figurative book. “If you tear down this temple, I’ll build it back in 3 days” is just one of many metaphorical verses.

Make a blessed day!
Not sure how what Matthew has to do with it,
Or the Bible being figurative in some cases, because st John 3:16 is not figurative. But if ya think it is plz share.

I'm just playing the advocate...I believe He died for everyone, but everyone will not receive Him. For if He wishes all come to repentance....then what does that tell us?
 

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Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:




1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!"


Hi again, I'm not sure about alone...without His Father restoring to Him the Glory that He had before.

But Here is what I see that I believe your thinking, but correct me if I am wrong....

Well first you did tell me that redemption had nothing to do with Salvation...which I most definitely disagree. And then seem to imply by your question that there is another way to receive grace for the redemption of our bodies besides through faith?

But to get to what you quoted above and where I see you falter at in your understanding I will try to use an analogy...

You say, "Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!"

I believe it's how you are FILTERING your understanding..for you stress "alone" ...
And if you mean by alone, He became the source of eternal redemption through his death and resurrection...then I agree

However, if you mean what He secured .....we are disconnected with...then how has anyone been born from above?

Example.....Noah's Ark was built to save people And so it was the source of salvation (deliverence) alone

Without anyone connected to the ark it will not save anyone.

Therefore one must be in the ark, which "alone" saves, in order for it to save anyone.

Here is another example...
A woman is told she will die if she did not exercise.

Her mom sends her a gift that can save her life. She opens the door and receives the gift.. it's a treadmill. "Alone" it is her salvation, but it will not save her from dying if she does not work out on it.

So then Faith alone saves, but the faith that saves is never alone.

Or as Willard puts it, "We all know that Jesus said, in John 15 without me you can do nothing. We need to add, if you do nothing, it will be most assuredly without him."



 

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Particular Salvation for the Children ! cont

Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Again these are the same Children that Christ came to Identify with and deliver from death in Heb 2:14 and that are the seed of Abraham in Vs 16 !

These are the Children or the seed God gave to Christ in Divine Election Eph 1:4, and they are also the same ones Jesus refers to here Jn 17:2,6

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jesus says similar of His Sheep, "thou gavest them me" Jn 10:29

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

And as in the Heb 2 passage, He came to die for them, so likewise in Jn 17:19

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself or Die as an Offering, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

He came to sanctify Himself which means His Offering Himself and as The High priest to Offer Himself Upon the Altar of God's Judgment for them !435

Now as Children given Him Heb 2:13, they are His Seed, those referred to here Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Thats the Pleasure of the Lord, to See His Seed saved and Converted because Christ was made an Offering for sin for them and them only !