What or who is the 8th king?

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What happened 490 days after the decree went out from Cyrus the Great?

Which nation currently holding Jews captive is going to issue a decree for them to go and rebuild Jerusalem? That would be the start of the 490 days.
The 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27 are "Future" and will start at a "Future" command to build

I believe it will be in preparation of a "Future" temple, this will cause the Muslim nations to come against Jerusalem and stop the building, as the Antichrist is revealed in the 70th week starting the future 3.5 year tribulation
 

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Revelation 11:v.1-2

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. - (1.260 days)

Revelation 12:v. 3 ... behold a great red Dragon, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his (7) heads.

Revelation 13:v.1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea(Gentile Beast: sea-peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:v.15) having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. (Vicarius Filii Day)
10 horns --> 10 kings
7 heads ---> 7 kings
7 heads ---> 7 mountains
There are 17 kings around the Beast of sea-(Gentile Beast-sea=peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues-Rev.17:v.15. Until today(07 25, 2021), the 10 kings are not still linked to the Beast of sea,
this will fulfill in very near future when the Beast of earth(Rev.13:11-18)gives him his Throne,and Power,and great Authority-Rev.13:v.2-, and there will be persecution: Rev.13:5.

THERE WILL BE TWO MIGHT AND STRONG BEASTS UPON THE EARTH IN VERY NEAR FUTURE. With this religious fusion between the Dragon, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Jewish Beast with the false Christianity-the Catholicism-the Papacy, and the Roman Catholic Church that is spread in 7 regions of the Earth:Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceanis(Australia), North America, and Central America, and South America, which rides upon the Beast of sea,-clay and iron- then the 10 horns will be linked to the Beast of sea, on the other hand, the Dragon will be linked to the 7 heads of the Beast of sea, so the satanic body of the Dragon will be complete with 7 heads, and 10 horns and A TAIL.

2 Thes.2:11-12 -
11 GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they (the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Jews) should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the truth(believed not in JESUS-John 5:43),but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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No one word in Revelation 19:17-18 states "All" are eaten by birds as you have claimed

So you ask me to provide a verse saying that the rest are eaten by birds and then I do and then you reject it so here it is again

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

If you reject this then its a waist of time to confer with you
 
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The term trinity doesn't appear in the bible either and that is still true! NOr does the term hypostatic union, or automobile. C'mon!

If there was a 7 year tribulation the bible would say it.

Yes the word trinity doesn't appear in the bible but we see all three together at Jesus' baptism
 

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"Who is the 8th King" ?


First King = Adam (Homosapien Created and Destroyed in that Generation)
Second King = Noah (Homosapien Created and Destroyed in that Generation)
Third King = Abraham (Homosapien Created and Destroyed in that Generation)
Fourth King = Jacob (Homosapien Created and Destroyed in that Generation)
Fifth King = Joseph (Homosapien Created and Destroyed SPIRITUALLY, Unified Field of Earth discontinued or nullified (human dirth charge/dead flesh/unclean genetic lines)

God Said to the Jewish People, Your cut off from my Covenant the Moment you Cross the Jordan River, Your all Living Corpses...............Then God said "Five Kings are Dead".............those unclean genetic lines will not be created and destroyed with humanity the next time. (Joshua 10:13-18).

Sixth King = Jesus (Homosapien Created and Destroyed in that Generation)
PHILIPPIANS 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:
PHILIPPIANS 3:19 Whose end [is] destruction, whose God [is their] belly, and [whose] glory [is] in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
(Jesus said that he created and destroyed the homosapien in that day) (Jewish People and Minorities, the removed Genetic Lines from the Book of Revelation, are not apart of the homosapien, in god's law)


Who are What is the 7th or 8th King, this is not technically a description of the Son of Man in the New Testament Era

Seventh King = "Joseph", which is accounted with the Tribes in Revelation...........that is a parable about the son of man, but not the son of man directly. (God created and destroyed the "son of man" to accommodate the New Testament Era, Humanity was not apart of this specifically).

This is the Correct and Legal Answer for the 8th King

Eighth King = "The Finished Work, Jesus presents to himself as God", in fulfilling the Equal Potential the Gospel Affords...............GOD IS NOT.............Creating and Destroying the Homosapien anymore, its time for humanity to die, to finish is suicide pleasure and false witnesses, and then to simple die. God saves a people for the new universe out of this cesspool of humanity that is priority in the gospel's law, playing suicide with god in man's natural mental and functional illnesses, is not important.

(what was said was, despite the jewish and minorities suicide pleasure with my body or testimony, you will get the benefit of a dead body and no judgment no action from the son of man or god, but you will in your natural suicide pleasure curse god until humanity is deceased................your problem of authority with me also means nothing, you don't have the pleasure of a dead body for the son of man, so we'll have to see)

(After killing four people in a 2018 West Philly execution, one gunman thanked the other for ‘bringing the beast back out of me' new agencies and for pleasure don't report jewish crimes, especially family related and some of that is not very appealing..............so things often happen around the same time to divert the attention away...........think about that)
 
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So you ask me to provide a verse saying that the rest are eaten by birds and then I do and then you reject it so here it is again

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

If you reject this then its a waist of time to confer with you
Your living in a fairy tale, not one scripture states all are eaten by birds as you have claimed
 

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Your living in a fairy tale, not one scripture states all are eaten by birds as you have claimed

Your right it’s two verses so what do you think that the angel tells the birds to eat?

It says they eat
the flesh of all kings
generals
the mighty
horses and riders
and the flesh of all people free and slave great and small


You are making a fool out of your self and loosing all credibility that you have to everyone reading this
 

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Revelation 19:v.13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his NAME is called The Word of God.

If his name was JESUS, then Scripture would had written -JESUS.


The name of JESUS is plainly known of the men, and of the angels, and of the demons: For example-Acts 19:13-17:

13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus;
 

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If there was a 7 year tribulation the bible would say it.

Yes the word trinity doesn't appear in the bible but we see all three together at Jesus' baptism

And we see a 7 year time which is more commonly known as the 70 th week of Daniel. but the bible has given it many names. It is 7 years in duration and at teh mid point of the 70 th week of Daniel we see teh "great tribulation" unfold.
 

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(New Reply - Humanity is not a Legal Witness, for a Sign or a Vision, facing its death)

1. Adam
2. Noah
3. Abraham
4. Jacob
5. Melchisedek (called a King and Priest of God) (Heb. 5:5-6) (Joseph Denounced)
6. Jesus
7. Emmanuel (called God before Joseph) (Matthew 1:23-24) (Joseph Denounced)
8. God is the final king for the finished work
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Humanity has two unique traits in the Gospel's Judgment:
1. Suicide Pleasure (literal murder and suicide, and etc. becomes the "messiah")
2. No Will to Live (Dead Flesh Accusation with the Gospel's Tables of those Genetic Lines)
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God did infact Create and Destroy the Homosapien at Least 6 times..............because of unprofitability with God in his finished law to afford a portion of humanity in the totality of the gospel's judgment new earth (s) in the (real) New Universe..............humanity not being a witness is locked out as a enduring threat for god's purposes.

So ofcourse not only is this argument correct and legal, it is also turncoated. (Humanity no legal right to a sign or a vision).
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Which is not really a feat, to have a jewish person or a minority commit suicide by doing something unclean to me, then.........kill itself, its family and its community. That naturally means nothing, for a long time in the gospel's law a dead body from the son of man in the new testament, means that is God's Answer for Humanity, nothing therefore, it does no work is acceptable even unto death............a holocaust a nuclear holocaust or anything will not mean nothing.

So we'll have to continue to see what becomes necessary.
 
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Revelation 17:9-11
9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

So what or who is the 8th king?

Some people see the seven kings as empires and some see them as people who are kings. I see the beast out of the sea as a demon influencing Rome and its leaders in the first century and the seven 7 kings were the first seven Caesars.

If the 8th king is just a person or an empire then how does this 8th king make sense?

How could an empire or person be "once was and now is not"?

How could an empire or person be the 8th king but belong to the seven?

I think that only a demon could fit these descriptions but I also think that there is more to the meaning of the 8th king.

Antoichus Epiphanies was going to be the 11th king but three were uprooted before him and he became the 8th king. Antiochus ravaged Jerusalem and desecrated the temple and stopped the daily sacrifices. Antiochus was also defeating the Jews until the Maccabees revolted against him and took back the city and rededicated the temple and sacrifices. Antiochus was eventually struck down by God.

I think that the meaning of the 8th king in Revelation was also a message to the Jews that a soon coming persecution (the events of 70AD) was coming to Jerusalem but this time there would be no Judas the hammer Maccabees to save them. I think that this demonic beast was eventually defeated and judged as was Rome but not until Jerusalem was destroyed and the Jewish leadership at that time and the temple age were destroyed forever.

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age.

Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

If you understand God's prophecy, then you have "wisdom". The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan created by the Kenites, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Now we get to something a little different. When we go back to verse eight, we will understand it.

There were ten kings at first, but this deals with seven different kings. These seven kings have been over their dominions for some time. There is only one king that Christ has given power over all the earth in the past two thousand years, and that king is Satan. These seven kings represent the seven offices that Satan has held, from the "dragon" in the first earth age, "serpent" in the garden, all the way through this age to the Antichrist at the end of this age. There has been five roles that Satan has and is playing to this date, and Satan is our "accuser" before the throne of God today, but in time he will be right here on earth filling the role of Antichrist, which will be for a very short time. Satan's final role starts shortly, very shortly, with Michael casting him out of heaven [Revelation 12:7]. He will have only five months in his final role of this earth age.

Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Remember in verse eight, "he" was the one out of the pit. Satan's "eighth" role is when he goes into perdition. Why, "of the seven"? Because he was over the seven, one entity in all seven positions; and now this eighth is his last.

No one except Satan has been judged and sentenced already to perdition, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:18. This beast is the son of perdition, and "perdition" means "to destroy" or destroyer.

Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power [authority] as kings one hour with the beast."

These "ten horns" are ten kings, and all these kings exists at the same time. They are not like the seven kings of the roles of Satan. They do not rule until a specific time, and then they rule for one hour.

The beast [Antichrist] must appear first, then their power will be given to them by the Antichrist. This is after the deadly wound has been healed, the ending of the one world political system. This is the "hour of temptation" Jesus speaks of and warned us of seven times. The warnings are given so that we will not follow, or be deceived by this beast in that final hour [of this age]. The elect and the sealed of God will not be tempted in that hour, for they know who the tempter is [Satan].

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This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age.

Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

If you understand God's prophecy, then you have "wisdom". The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan created by the Kenites, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Now we get to something a little different. When we go back to verse eight, we will understand it.

There were ten kings at first, but this deals with seven different kings. These seven kings have been over their dominions for some time. There is only one king that Christ has given power over all the earth in the past two thousand years, and that king is Satan. These seven kings represent the seven offices that Satan has held, from the "dragon" in the first earth age, "serpent" in the garden, all the way through this age to the Antichrist at the end of this age. There has been five roles that Satan has and is playing to this date, and Satan is our "accuser" before the throne of God today, but in time he will be right here on earth filling the role of Antichrist, which will be for a very short time. Satan's final role starts shortly, very shortly, with Michael casting him out of heaven [Revelation 12:7]. He will have only five months in his final role of this earth age.

Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Remember in verse eight, "he" was the one out of the pit. Satan's "eighth" role is when he goes into perdition. Why, "of the seven"? Because he was over the seven, one entity in all seven positions; and now this eighth is his last.

No one except Satan has been judged and sentenced already to perdition, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:18. This beast is the son of perdition, and "perdition" means "to destroy" or destroyer.

Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power [authority] as kings one hour with the beast."

These "ten horns" are ten kings, and all these kings exists at the same time. They are not like the seven kings of the roles of Satan. They do not rule until a specific time, and then they rule for one hour.

The beast [Antichrist] must appear first, then their power will be given to them by the Antichrist. This is after the deadly wound has been healed, the ending of the one world political system. This is the "hour of temptation" Jesus speaks of and warned us of seven times. The warnings are given so that we will not follow, or be deceived by this beast in that final hour [of this age]. The elect and the sealed of God will not be tempted in that hour, for they know who the tempter is [Satan].

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The Beast of Revelation 13 is a future human man, and he wasn't in the garden beguiling

The Beast isnt in heaven as you claim, he will be a future human man upon earth
 

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Revelation 13:v.1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The Man Beast of sea
I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea,...>sea=>peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:v.15 - The Man Beast of sea is a Gentile Beast;

... a Beast of the sea having seven heads...
The Beast of sea did rise up out of the Gentile nations. The nations are located in Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America, in fact 7 regions of the Earth; One of this 7 regions will be wounded to death or mortally wounded by a Sword, in fact a sharp Sword. (In my view South America);

...having also 10 horns...
The MAN Beast of sea in this moment is working only with his 7 heads. The 10 horns will be linked to the Beast of sea in very near future, as soon as the MAN Beast of the earth(earth here is Israel-the clay, the dry land) manifest himself like a lamb,actually a false lamb,a false messiah,an esoteric,and kabbalistic,and spiritist messiah in fulfilment of JESUS said(John 5:v.43-this is prophecy), who has two horns, but he speaks as a Dragon;

...and upon his horns 10 crowns...
The esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah(John 5:v.43-this is prophecy)is of the tribe of Dan(Gen.49:v.17), and he is(will be) the main ruler of the kingdom of Israel and its 10 crowned tribes symbolized as 10 toes-Daniel 2:v.42, and also symbolized as 10 kings in Revelation 17:v.3 and 7;

...and upon his (7) heads the NAME of blasphemy...
Vicarius Filii Dei

Revelation 13:v.2 - the Dragon will give to the MAN Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem), and great Authority-the Pope will sit on a Throne in Jerusalem-Israel-a great delusion; The COURT which is without the temple...is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city -Jerusalem- shall they tread under foot forty and two(42)months. THE FIRST HALF OF THE LAST WEEK

Revelation 13:v.5 - And there was given unto him (unto the MAN Beast of sea) a MOUTH(Rev.16:v.13) speaking great things and blasphemies;and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. THE FIRST HALF OF THE LAST WEEK

Revelation 13:v.6-9

6 And he opened his MOUTH in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make War with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth-the Jews-Israel- shall WORSHIP him (great delusion), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.


Daniel 12:v. 11 - THE SECOND HALF OF THE LAST WEEK - Matthew 24:V.15
11 And from the time that the...the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 1.290 days

Daniel 12:v. 12 - The glorious, the wonderful, the marvelous day 1335
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 1.260 + a gap of 30 days + a gap of 45 days =
GREAT DAY 1.335
 
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(2nd Restatement)

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Humanity is Deceased = Halley's Comet 7/8/2061

1. Adam
2. Noah
3. Abraham
4. Jacob
5. Joseph (40 Years Joseph::Genesis 50:25/Exodus 13:19/Exodus 16:34-35)
6. Jesus
7. Joseph (21 Years Joseph:: Daniel 10:2-8 = TO ADVENT OF RABIES)
8. God

9/11/2001 + 21 Years = 2022 A.D. = RABIES

The Question is about the "8th King" When God Rots the Body?

(other then the "rotting of the body", humanity is not a legal witness to a sign or a vision or anything else............"joseph" those two entries are technically replaced with "melchisedec and Emmanuel")

Daniel's Prophecies do not Dispute the "Legal Witness Status", its just the rotting of the body in the week prophecies (the day prophecies are separate, or implied not counted)
DANIEL 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(Ezekiel 4:5-6, gives us 430 Years or 62 Weeks) (with divisions of 390 and 40)...............Halley's Comet 2061 A.D. - 39 Years = 2022 A.D..............(where as Halley's Comet 2061 - 40 Years = 2021 A.D., End of the Seven Year Trinity in Days, HUMANITY IS NOT A WITNESS OF A SIGN OR A VISION) (that ended, 2300 days with Oumuamua, "1260+1260" Days with Borisov, and "1290 + 1335 Days from Missing Flight 370 to 2021 A.D.) (or, Sirius Sun, Earth Sun, Jupiter Sun)
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(Off Topic - You can Rejoice when you see them die in mass, openly and in great numbers from RABIES)

DANIEL 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Independance of Isreal 1948 (Halley's Comet Furthest from Earth)
Halley's Comet 2061 (Halley's Comet Closest to Earth)
(the direct answer is no more complicated then that............God has an object in orbit about 77 Years Cycles, that is in view) (removing a year, via, the use of a singilarity, so about 76 year cycles)
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DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Independance of Isreal 1948 + 62 Years and a Jubilee of 49/50 Years = 2061 A.D. Halley's Comet..............(Issac Newton Said 2060 A.D., removing a year because a "singularity" is used in his prediction).
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DANIEL 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is Correct.
(1 Week + 1/2 Week of Halley's Comet orbit from 1948 Jerusalem = 2061 Halley's Comet) (Week + Midst of Week) (1 Orbit + 1/2 Orbit)

May 21, 2011 to Oct 19, 2017 = 2300 Days of Daniel (space ship oumuamua)
and 2300 days is counted a second time in the midst/middle of this figure (blood moon tetrad)
9/2015 + 2300 Days of Daniel = 2/2022 (Valentines Day)


(Daniel's Prophecy is ISOLATED, in some capacities, there is not dispute about God giving a sign or vision beyond the rotting of the body)

Everything will be Resolved Soon (then if god kills jews and minorities in mass, relative to using force against me, the public will be treated to a surprise in years of concealing dead bodies, perhaps, but the joy and glory is not mines really, this is about god saving a few souls out of humanities cesspool)
 
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This one is hard to figure out. It's like throwing the wiring harness for a modern vehicle down on the ground and then attaching it back in so that the vehicle runs. The 8th king isn't to do with the Old Time Jews, they were of the 5th king, one of the ones that had fallen, been proved false by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection, by the time of 95 AD when John spoke to the angel in Revelation.

The trick is to figure out who the head, the king, wounded by the sword and yet lives is. (Because the other 6 must be something of the same kind). Healed from the wound now. All of them having "blasphemous" names written on them should give a good hint that they have something to do with organized religion, or belief systems gone bad. And the term "fallen", does not always mean dead, think of the phrase: "fallen woman." And so it's also a sensitive discussion as we each can draw a connection to these heads, mountains and kings. Remember that a "king" can also be defined as something preeminent in it's class. Like in the USA, Budweiser is the "king" of beers. I was thinking of this when I heard on the news that the pope was having surgery to remove his left colon. Wounded by the scalpel and yet lives?

Sorry.

But the main thing I'll say is that the 8th king is happening now, it is one of the seven, that started all the way back in the antediluvian time.

The 8th king is Lucifer's theocratic church/state, or religious body politic that we are living in now.

An amazing thing that I notice is that when talking to the Atheists, many of them can quickly align themselves with the Satanists. The discussion can quickly change demeanor, and they'll express an anger toward the God of the Bible, and say things like: "if there is a God, I don't want anything to do with Him, or: "if there is a God, why should I have to do what He says, and even: "I would rather follow Satan as he has killed less people than the God of your Bible.

The reason I'm telling you this is because I also think Armageddon is happening now, the 8th king has already sent his demons to gather the kings of the earth to the great battle of God almighty.

And so I tend to then indicate to the Atheists, how their tone sounds strangely familiar to Elizabeth Kubler Ross's five stages of grief.

How they grieve as those do who have no hope.

Five stages of grief.

1) denial.
2) anger.
3) bargaining.
4) depression.
5) acceptance.

Denial. The Atheist says in their heart that there is no God.

Anger. If there is a God, I want to know why He lets little kids get leukemia.

Bargaining. Tell ya what, show us proof, and WE will be the deciders if God exists.

Depression. Quiet time, the Atheist goes on a break from posting.

Acceptance. When the Atheist reaches acceptance on a global scale, they will seek to kill God. Satan will gather them for that great battle in the valley that is symbolically called Megiddo. When the world is at war with God. Like it is right now.

Like it is right now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I think that the end will come when the church starts conforming
 

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Read Esther, as the example. The enemy was gathered together in every individual place to fight against God's people in every individual place. There was no single place, but many. In the end, it is a global resistance, battle against God and against His anointed ones.

Est_3:14 The copy of the writing for a commandment to be given in every province was published unto all people, that they should be ready against that day.

Est_4:3 And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, there was great mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes.

Est_8:11 Wherein the king granted the Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey,

Est_8:13 The copy of the writing for a commandment to be given in every province was published unto all people, and that the Jews should be ready against that day to avenge themselves on their enemies.
Did you see it? Armageddon (a symbolic name in Revelation, representing a greater anti-type of the battle at Mt Carmel (Mountain of Megiddo) in the days of Elijah, and in other places in scripture) will take place over all the earth. It does not take place in any single location on earth.

This is how I see the battle in Revelation 19 and 20 except the battle in revelation 19 is over the last 2000 years. But this was my point that it’s not one literal battle in revelation 19
 

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Visions are symbolic, fullstop, (period, if you're American).

The term "body of Christ" is symbolic. It describes the collective nature and activity of those under the Headship of Christ.

Likewise the beast from the sea is symbolic of the cumulative energies and efforts of wicked, unregenerate humanity in history acting in opposition to the Will of God.


Those who take part in the first resurrection.
The birds only eat the adversaries of Christ, which come from all walks of life, have taken the mark of the beast and comprise the army which gets slaughtered in the final showdown with Christ.

Read on:

Rev 20:1-6 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. (4) And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (5) But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

No these don’t get reigned over they do the reigning
 

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The whole book of Revelation concerns what was supposed to happen after John was dead and gone(Rev. 1:19). The entirety of the Rev. 17 mostly concerns the "Christian" church-state combine secular history knows as the "Holy Roman Empire". This is why John was shown the image of a harlot riding this 7 headed beast.

The seven kings are prophetic representations of both the incarnations of this empire throughout history and the men leading them. Dan. 7 shows that these kings were to rise after the little horn(Catholic Church) plucks out the first 3 governments that ruled in Rome(the Vandals, Heruli, and the Ostrogoths) when ancient Rome fell in 476 A.D. These 3 governments marked the transition between the sea beast's head(see Rev. 13) being wounded and healed.

The first head represents the emperor Justinian, who officially resurrected the Roman empire from the dead with help from the Catholic Church in 554 A.D.. It is at this point that Daniel's prophecy in 7 concerning the little horn supplanting the first 3 horns of the 4th beast is fulfilled. Another prophecy fulfilled is Rev. 13:3, where John spoke of the beast's heads being wounded and healed. Another important part of this prophecy is where it says the whole world marveled and followed the beast. The world believes the Roman empire died in 476 A.D., but most of what this world blindly practices or believe comes from what this specific administration enforced as a reincarnated Roman empire.

The second head represents Charlemagne(aka Charles the Great), who became emperor in approximately 774 A.D.

The third head represents Otto the Great, who became emperor in approximately 962 A.D.

The fourth head represents the Hapsburg Dynasty, which started in 1273 A.D. under the rule of King Rudolf and ending with the reign of Charles V. It is under the reign of Charles V that the Protestant Reformation takes place, fulfilling what Rev. 17:5 says about the false church system being a mother to harlot daughter churches.

On a brief side note, Protestants usually scoff at being told this passage concerns their religion, but history and a comparison of the 2 groups' theology shows the Reformers retained many pagan doctrines and traditions of their mother church when they left, one of them being the trinity doctrine and the general contempt for God's commanded festivals and other laws.

The fifth head represents a name many should already be familiar with: Napoleon Bonaparte. It should be mentioned that the first 5 administrations are the ones John refers to in Rev. 17:10 when he wrote "five have fallen".

The sixth head represents the German-Italian Axis that was ultimately led by none other than Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini when they signed a concordat with the Catholic Church around 1929 A.D.. This particular head is the time frame John refers to in Rev. 17:10 where he wrote "one is".

The seventh and final head represents the empire that will exist as a result of 10 authoritarians giving their power to one man who rules over the whole kingdom(Rev. 17:12). This empire and the man leading this empire has yet to be revealed to the world, but bible prophecy and political trends in Europe both indicate that this empire will most definitely consists of the most influential and authoritarian EU member states and will be led by Germany. This is the period John refers to in Rev. 17:10 as the head that hasn't arrived. OT prophecies concerning this regime(ex. Isa. 10:5-7 and Hab. 1:6-8) forecasts that this will be the head that starts the Tribulation and will exist when Christ returns. In other words, it's going to be the 21st century version of Nazi Germany on a far greater scale.

The message John was conveying in Rev. 17:11 is that the last regime is also the eighth because it will emerge into existence as being completely different from the ones that came before it, even though it is still part of the same Roman system that Christ will put a permanent end to once He returns.

Sorry but it can’t be when John wrote revelation five had already fallen and one is
 

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And we see a 7 year time which is more commonly known as the 70 th week of Daniel. but the bible has given it many names. It is 7 years in duration and at teh mid point of the 70 th week of Daniel we see teh "great tribulation" unfold.

I believe the 70th week to be back in the days of Antiochus Epehanies
 

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Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

This "beast" was in the Garden of Eden deceiving [beguiling] Eve; he is not here now, for he is in heaven accusing the saints before the throne of God, now. He [Satan] will ascend out of the bottomless pit, as we saw in Revelation 9:1, and 2, and "he will go to perdition", following the judgment at the end of the Millennium kingdom age.

Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

If you understand God's prophecy, then you have "wisdom". The "Mountains" are seven nations, or dominions. They are areas of land, and all seven dominions comprise the entire earth. They will make up Satan's earthly kingdom. A "kingdom" is "a king and his domain". The "woman", or this false religion will sit and rule over all seven of these dominions. "She" is the religion of Satan created by the Kenites, and the eighth verse told us it is Satan [the beast] that will sit over the woman.

Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Now we get to something a little different. When we go back to verse eight, we will understand it.

There were ten kings at first, but this deals with seven different kings. These seven kings have been over their dominions for some time. There is only one king that Christ has given power over all the earth in the past two thousand years, and that king is Satan. These seven kings represent the seven offices that Satan has held, from the "dragon" in the first earth age, "serpent" in the garden, all the way through this age to the Antichrist at the end of this age. There has been five roles that Satan has and is playing to this date, and Satan is our "accuser" before the throne of God today, but in time he will be right here on earth filling the role of Antichrist, which will be for a very short time. Satan's final role starts shortly, very shortly, with Michael casting him out of heaven [Revelation 12:7]. He will have only five months in his final role of this earth age.

Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Remember in verse eight, "he" was the one out of the pit. Satan's "eighth" role is when he goes into perdition. Why, "of the seven"? Because he was over the seven, one entity in all seven positions; and now this eighth is his last.

No one except Satan has been judged and sentenced already to perdition, as recorded in Ezekiel 28:18. This beast is the son of perdition, and "perdition" means "to destroy" or destroyer.

Revelation 17:12 "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power [authority] as kings one hour with the beast."

These "ten horns" are ten kings, and all these kings exists at the same time. They are not like the seven kings of the roles of Satan. They do not rule until a specific time, and then they rule for one hour.

The beast [Antichrist] must appear first, then their power will be given to them by the Antichrist. This is after the deadly wound has been healed, the ending of the one world political system. This is the "hour of temptation" Jesus speaks of and warned us of seven times. The warnings are given so that we will not follow, or be deceived by this beast in that final hour [of this age]. The elect and the sealed of God will not be tempted in that hour, for they know who the tempter is [Satan].

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Thanks but I see the beast as a demonic being over Rome. Also the bible teaches that the beast is different that the antichrist