The Second Coming... what you don't know, but should...

BroRando · Jul 2, 2021

The Second Coming... what you don't know, but should...

Nobody can escape Jehovah's Sovereignty, unless a way out has been made for you. (1 Cor 10:13)

The Christian Scriptures make a clear distinction between the three phases of Christ’s Second Coming by using a different Greek word in each instance. First phase, the 'Parousía' is translated Presence throughout the New Testament. On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20-21)

In reference to the event that would mark the End of the Gentile Times, Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." The Bible Students Monthly, January, 1914.

Since Christ will not return to Earth as a Man, Brother Russell wrote: "Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to that period before the Flood, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."

"For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:27) The Presence of the Son of of Man began in 1914. "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (Matthew 24:7-8)

Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

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Curtis · Jul 2, 2021

BroRando said:
The Second Coming... what you don't know, but should...

Nobody can escape Jehovah's Sovereignty, unless a way out has been made for you. (1 Cor 10:13)

The Christian Scriptures make a clear distinction between the three phases of Christ’s Second Coming by using a different Greek word in each instance. First phase, the 'Parousía' is translated Presence throughout the New Testament. On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20-21)

In reference to the event that would mark the End of the Gentile Times, Brother Russell wrote: "'The Earth Abideth Forever' Christ will not return to Earth as a Man - Present Year Believed to Mark Great Change of Dispensation, but World May not discern Immediate Difference." The Bible Students Monthly, January, 1914.

Since Christ will not return to Earth as a Man, Brother Russell wrote: "Our Lord, in describing His Second Presence, clearly indicated that it would be unnoticed by the world until the cataclysm of trouble should come. Thus He likened the earlier days of His presence to that period before the Flood, when the world, unconscious of the impending catastrophe, continued to build, eat and drink as usual, and knew not. So, says the Master, it will be in the end of this Age. Eating, drinking, building, planting and marrying will proceed as usual; and the world will not know that they are in the PRESENCE of the Son of Man."

"For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:27) The Presence of the Son of of Man began in 1914. "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.  All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." (Matthew 24:7-8)

Brother Russell also mentions that this time of trouble could last a certain amount of time as in the time of Noah. Then he mentions, "Then, later on, will come the Epiphania; that is to say, the revelation, or manifestation, of the present One. This will not be a manifestation in the flesh, but in a great Time of Trouble, symbolically represented as fire, as when we read, "He shall be revealed in flaming fire, taking vengeance." -- 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

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The WTS had three failed predictions of the second coming.
In 1914 when they were wrong yet again, they saved face by claiming Jesus returned, but He’s now the invisible man.

There’s too many scriptures that prove Jesus not only said before He died that He would rise bodily, but also show that He rose bodily and visibly, ascended bodily and visibly, and will return bodily and visibly, to obfuscate.

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

The truth about Jesus' Resurrection...

The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18)

Jesus was put to death, how? In the flesh.... here's one of several teachings of Jesus Christ. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is My Flesh in behalf of the life of the world." (John 6:51) So, if for a fact, Jesus gave his flesh in behalf of the life of the world, then proclaiming that he took back the flesh he sacrificed would be wholly inaccurate.

"So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way." (2 Corinthians 5:16)

So how was Jesus Christ resurrected? So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45) Spirit creatures/angels, can manifest in the flesh, even eating and drinking with those who entertain them. "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)

Since Jesus became a life-giving sprit, he manifested in various fleshly bodies and many times without the wounds. Consider the account of Mary Magdalene, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ who went to the tomb for the purpose of dressing his wounds. Notice the account, "After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:“Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) - John 20:14-16

Two points for Consideration at John 20:14-16

Obviously Jesus wasn't resurrected in the same flesh that was sacrificed.
No Wounds, otherwise Mary Magdalene would have noticed who this person was...

Account continues: "Moreover, some women from among us also astonished us, for they went early to the tomb and when they did not find his body, they came saying that they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive." (Luke 24:22-23)

Then some of those who were with us went off to the tomb, and they found it just as the women had said, but they did not see him.” So he (Jesus) said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures. Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther. But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. (Luke 24:24-30) Again, they did not see him because Jesus manifested in a different body with no wounds.

They only recognized him from the things he said and did. "And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them." (Luke 24:31-32)

"And they got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven and those assembled together with them, who said: “For a fact the Lord was raised up, and he appeared to Simon!” Then they related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the bread." (Luke 23:33-35) We are not sure of how many Jesus appeared too but they were not of the Eleven Apostles, therefore it is possible to conclude that they were believers and may have been Lazarus and Simon the leper who was a Pharisee whom Jesus dined with just before his execution.
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Another account: "Then they remembered his words, and they returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the Eleven and to all the rest. They were Mary Magʹda·lene, Jo·anʹna, and Mary the mother of James. Also, the rest of the women with them were telling these things to the apostles. However, these sayings seemed like nonsense to them, and they would not believe the women." (Luke 24:8-11)

"But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” (John 20:24) Evidently, they all gave the same witness that Jesus appeared to them but in a different body without wounds. Notice Thomas did not ask to see Jesus' body, "But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” (John 20:25)

Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” (John 20:26-27)

Notice the following verses exist for the reason he was manifesting in different fleshly bodies. "To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll. But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John 20:30-31)
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Yet, another account: Jesus appears again in a different body without wounds again! "However, just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. Then Jesus said to them: “Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” They answered: “No!” (John 21:4-5)

He said to them: “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” So they cast it, but they were not able to haul it in because of the large number of fish. Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter: “It is the Lord!” Now Simon Peter, on hearing that it was the Lord, put on his outer garment, for he was naked, and plunged into the sea." (John 21:6-7) Simon Peter plunging into the sea is 'an act of faith' my friends!

Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead." (John 21:12-14)

Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.

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Davy · Jul 28, 2021

Your brother Russel, (Charles Taze Russel), was a cult leader that started the Jehovah Witness organization. He had even once said that one who studies his lessons have no need to read their Bible. Yeah, right! Translated Russel actually meant - "don't read your Bible so you CANNOT check me out and discover how I LIE to you."

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

Davy said:
Your brother Russel, (Charles Taze Russel), was a cult leader that started the Jehovah Witness organization. He had even once said that one who studies his lessons have no need to read their Bible. Yeah, right! Translated Russel actually meant - "don't read your Bible so you CANNOT check me out and discover how I LIE to you."

I think I'll stick with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:11)

Davy · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
I think I'll stick with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:11)

You mean Charles Russel, if you're a follower of the Jehovah Witness organization.

Curtis · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
The truth about Jesus' Resurrection...

The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18)

Jesus was put to death, how? In the flesh.... here's one of several teachings of Jesus Christ. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is My Flesh in behalf of the life of the world." (John 6:51) So, if for a fact, Jesus gave his flesh in behalf of the life of the world, then proclaiming that he took back the flesh he sacrificed would be wholly inaccurate.

"So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way." (2 Corinthians 5:16)

So how was Jesus Christ resurrected? So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45) Spirit creatures/angels, can manifest in the flesh, even eating and drinking with those who entertain them. "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)

Since Jesus became a life-giving sprit, he manifested in various fleshly bodies and many times without the wounds. Consider the account of Mary Magdalene, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ who went to the tomb for the purpose of dressing his wounds. Notice the account, "After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:“Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) - John 20:14-16

Two points for Consideration at John 20:14-16

Obviously Jesus wasn't resurrected in the same flesh that was sacrificed.

No Wounds, otherwise Mary Magdalene would have noticed who this person was...

They only recognized him from the things he said and did. "And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them." (Luke 24:31-32)

"And they got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven and those assembled together with them, who said: “For a fact the Lord was raised up, and he appeared to Simon!” Then they related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the bread." (Luke 23:33-35) We are not sure of how many Jesus appeared too but they were not of the Eleven Apostles, therefore it is possible to conclude that they were believers and may have been Lazarus and Simon the leper who was a Pharisee whom Jesus dined with just before his execution.
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Another account: "Then they remembered his words, and they returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the Eleven and to all the rest. They were Mary Magʹda·lene, Jo·anʹna, and Mary the mother of James. Also, the rest of the women with them were telling these things to the apostles. However, these sayings seemed like nonsense to them, and they would not believe the women." (Luke 24:8-11)

"But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” (John 20:24) Evidently, they all gave the same witness that Jesus appeared to them but in a different body without wounds. Notice Thomas did not ask to see Jesus' body, "But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” (John 20:25)

Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” (John 20:26-27)

Notice the following verses exist for the reason he was manifesting in different fleshly bodies. "To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll. But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John 20:30-31)
=========================================================================

Yet, another account: Jesus appears again in a different body without wounds again! "However, just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. Then Jesus said to them: “Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” They answered: “No!” (John 21:4-5)

He said to them: “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” So they cast it, but they were not able to haul it in because of the large number of fish. Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter: “It is the Lord!” Now Simon Peter, on hearing that it was the Lord, put on his outer garment, for he was naked, and plunged into the sea." (John 21:6-7) Simon Peter plunging into the sea is 'an act of faith' my friends!

Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead." (John 21:12-14)

Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.

Read more...

Jesus said, tear down this temple, and I will restore it in three days, “and He spoke of the temple, HIS BODY.”

That clearly states He would rise in the same body He died in - complete with scars that He showed to the apostles - the body Jesus told them was not a spiritual apparition, a ghost, because they could handle it, see it, touch it, and see His body had “FLESH AND BONES”, and touch His scars.

He didn’t show them His hands and side when He met them on the road, thus they didn’t notice them, because they weren’t looking for them.

His face was changed from the beating He took, that “marred His face” per Isaiah 52 - thus just as His hands and side bore the marks of crucifixion, His face was changed, too.

The whole world sees Jesus when He returns, Revelation 1:7 - He’s not the invisible spirit that the watchtower Bible and Tract Society claims that He is.

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

Curtis said:
Jesus said, tear down this temple, and I will restore it in three days, “and He spoke of the temple, HIS BODY.”

That clearly states He would rise in the same body He died in - complete with scars that He showed to the apostles - the body Jesus told them was not a spiritual apparition, a ghost, because they could handle it, see it, touch it, and see His body had “FLESH AND BONES”, and touch His scars.

He didn’t show them His hands and side when He met them on the road, thus they didn’t notice them, because they weren’t looking for them.

His face was changed from the beating He took, that “marred His face” per Isaiah 52 - thus just as His hands and side bore the marks of crucifixion, His face was changed, too.

The whole world sees Jesus when He returns, Revelation 1:7 - He’s not the invisible spirit that the watchtower Bible and Tract Society claims that He is.

Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead." (John 21:12-14)

Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord. Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish. This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead." (John 21:12-14)

Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.

Just like you've done with me, you now do with @Curtis . He points to Scripture which clearly shows Jesus' physical bodily resurrection, and you take the trouble to reply to his post, but, just like with me, actually just ignoring what he said.

But what he said is one of many clear Scriptures that declare this truth.

Naturally you should not expect a person resurrected from the dead to have the exact same properties as someone in one of these bodies like we have, right?

Jesus was clear, plain, Touch Me! I'm not spirit, a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you can feel I have! He wanted no ambiguity. And He promised that He would change my body into one like His. He said when we have THIS hope, that we purify ourself, just like Jesus is pure.

It is TRUTH that sets you free.

Much love!

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

marks said:
Just like you've done with me, you now do with @Curtis . He points to Scripture which clearly shows Jesus' physical bodily resurrection, and you take the trouble to reply to his post, but, just like with me, actually just ignoring what he said.

But what he said is one of many clear Scriptures that declare this truth.

Naturally you should not expect a person resurrected from the dead to have the exact same properties as someone in one of these bodies like we have, right?

Jesus was clear, plain, Touch Me! I'm not spirit, a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you can feel I have! He wanted no ambiguity. And He promised that He would change my body into one like His. He said when we have THIS hope, that we purify ourself, just like Jesus is pure.

It is TRUTH that sets you free.

Much love!

You mean Jesus shows a physical body. Only once with wounds to show Thomas. Jesus sacrificed his flesh and blood once for all time... or are you claiming he reneged and took the sacrifice back?

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

I like how this scripture is worded that you quoted, Jesus said, tear down this temple, and I will restore it in three days, “and He spoke of the temple, HIS BODY.”

Remember Jesus was dead for three days, so who resurrected him? "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Since Jesus was dead, someone else would have to resurrect him... so is possible there could be a spiritual understanding?

Are you familiar with these two scriptures?

"Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you individually is a member." (1 Cor 12:27)
"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
I like how this scripture is worded that you quoted, Jesus said, tear down this temple, and I will restore it in three days, “and He spoke of the temple, HIS BODY.”

Remember Jesus was dead for three days, so who resurrected him? "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Since Jesus was dead, someone else would have to resurrect him... so is possible there could be a spiritual understanding?

The Bible declares not only that Jesus would raise Himself from the dead, but also that the Holy Spirit would raise Him from the dead, and also that the Father raised Him from the dead.

In this case, remember, death is not cessation of existance, the Bible is replete with instruction and examples that we do not stop existing upon our death in this world.

Jesus was the ONE Who was able to return from among the dead ones. You've assumed that Jesus could not raise Himself, and then you take that assumption as a foundation to say that the Bible doesn't mean what it says. Jesus did mean what He said, He gave no indication of anything otherwise.

In fact, He spoke in a symbolic way, and that symbol is interpreted for us. This is one of those great examples of how to know when something is symbolic in the Bible. It tells you, and tells you what it means.

Much love!

Davy · Jul 28, 2021

Curtis said:
Jesus said, tear down this temple, and I will restore it in three days, “and He spoke of the temple, HIS BODY.”

That clearly states He would rise in the same body He died in - complete with scars that He showed to the apostles - the body Jesus told them was not a spiritual apparition, a ghost, because they could handle it, see it, touch it, and see His body had “FLESH AND BONES”, and touch His scars.

He didn’t show them His hands and side when He met them on the road, thus they didn’t notice them, because they weren’t looking for them.

His face was changed from the beating He took, that “marred His face” per Isaiah 52 - thus just as His hands and side bore the marks of crucifixion, His face was changed, too.

The whole world sees Jesus when He returns, Revelation 1:7 - He’s not the invisible spirit that the watchtower Bible and Tract Society claims that He is.

So Apostle Paul lied about the resurrection???

1 Cor 15:45-50
45 And so it is written, 'The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

marks said:
The Bible declares not only that Jesus would raise Himself from the dead, but also that the Holy Spirit would raise Him from the dead, and also that the Father raised Him from the dead.

What scripture is that? What Bible are you using? Jesus raised himself when he was dead???

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
You mean Jesus shows a physical body. Only once with wounds to show Thomas. Jesus sacrificed his flesh and blood once for all time... or are you claiming he reneged and took the sacrifice back?

I've never heard this before. Jesus manufactured a lie by which to deceive His Apostles? Don't bother trying to sell me on that.

And you are suggesting His bodily resurrection somehow controverts His offering of His body to death on the cross? I'd be wondering what your idea of His sacrifice is. For me, it is to surrender to death even though righteous, on behalf of all humanity. And when He said, It is finished, It was.

Much love!

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
What scripture is that? What Bible are you using? Jesus raised himself when he was dead???

The one you deny.

I will raise . . . (the temple of His body)

Much love!

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

marks said:
The one you deny.

I will raise . . . (the temple of His body)

Much love!

Are you familiar with these two scriptures?

"Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you individually is a member." (1 Cor 12:27)
"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
Are you familiar with these two scriptures?

"Now you are Christ’s body, and each of you individually is a member." (1 Cor 12:27)

"Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16)

Are you attempting to backtrack something Paul wrote in order to overturn what Jesus said? Are you thinking that Jesus was intending to be saying that He would resurrect all of us, but not himself? What are you meaning here?

Because the Gospel also says that after Jesus' resurrection, the disciples remembered what Jesus had said.

1 John 4:2 KJV
2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

That part there, "is come", this is a perfect tense, an action with continuance of result. He has come and remains in flesh.

Much love!

BroRando · Jul 28, 2021

marks said:
Are you attempting to backtrack something Paul wrote in order to overturn what Jesus said? Are you thinking that Jesus was intending to be saying that He would resurrect all of us, but not himself? What are you meaning here?

Because the Gospel also says that after Jesus' resurrection, the disciples remembered what Jesus had said.

1 John 4:2 KJV
2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

That part there, "is come", this is a perfect tense, an action with continuance of result. He has come and remains in flesh.

Much love!

Denying (Romans 10:9) does not begat salvation. Neither can you produce a scripture Jesus raised himself to Life when he was dead. Don't you know he was quicken by HOLY SPIRIT.

1 Corinthians 15:4
and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures;

Acts 10:40
God raised this one up on the third day and allowed him to become manifest,

marks · Jul 28, 2021

BroRando said:
Denying (Romans 10:9) does not begat salvation.

Actually, I have no issue with believing God raised Jesus from the dead. Why would I? This is a trinitarian thing. Jesus raised His Own body from the dead, or else He was a false prophet, and you can answer that one whatever way you want but I've chosen to believe Jesus.

Death is not cessation of existence. Death in this world is to be separated from one's body. No once has ever been able to just return from that but Jesus did. No one takes My life from Me, Jesus said, I have the power to lay it down, and the power to take it back up again.

Much love!

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