Why I believe in the rapture.
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Timtofly
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It is kind of hard for some one to tell me they have the backing of the Holy Spirit, and I do not.
Timtofly
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Yes, and only after 1948 did that make sense. Just look how skewered eschatology is, because no one, patiently waited for the fig tree.
I see the mystery of God is still a mystery to you.
There Gods Creation;
and
There IS BEFORE Gods Creation.
You should have learned; HEAVENS
And What the term HeavenS means.
And even I suggested to you, to study about the HeavenS.
John 17:
[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
* Before the World WAS, WAS God, Before God Created.
* Before the World WAS, WAS God and His Estate.
* Before the World WAS, WAS God,
ABOVE the HeavenS God created.
God IS His Glory.
God IS Above His Created HeavenS.
Deut. 10:
[14] Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens [/B] is the LORD's thy God,[/B] the earth also, with all that therein is.
Pss 8:
[1] O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
Pss 57:
[5] Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens; let thy glory be above all the earth.
Pss 57:
[10] For thy mercy is great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds.
* Created Angels were given Created "estates", in Gods Created Heavens.
* Created Angels were given ACCESS to mankinds "Created estate" Earth.
* Created Mankind was given the Created "estate", in Gods Created Earth.
* Created Mankind Can See Gods Handiworks of Gods Created Heavens.
* Created Mankind Can Stand, (and fly) in the midst of Gods Created lowest Heavens of the Clouds.
* Created Mankind's Saved soul and Quickened spirit have ACCESS to Gods Created Heavens, and do and have been 'Escorted' to Gods Heavens, By Gods Holy Angels, for over 2,000 Years.
* The Lord Shall DESCEND FROM Gods eternal HEAVEN to Gods lowest Created Heavens, the Clouds, and MEN IN CHRIST, shall RISE UP TO HIM, IN THE CLOUDS.
Do you get it yet?
Gods HEAVEN is ABOVE His Created Heavens.
No Created thing has BEEN IN Gods HEAVEN.
Gods Created HeavenS, are expressly FOR His Created HOLY and Made HOLY "things", (of the Names God has CALLED such things
AND
According TO God Hisself's, ORDER and WAY.
Your continuous (out of content, and lack of proper Applicability) Scriptural quotes, simply reveal your lack of understanding of Heavenly things.
Trying to understand, Heavenly things, with a Carnal Mind, is always a Fail.
Timtofly
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Are you saying that no one was meant to see it. Or they were not meant to publish the fact they were meant to see it?
1 Thes 4:
[16] ...in Christ shall rise...
[17] ...caught up ...
...in the clouds ...
No ,not at all meaning being some as of right now for their own good cannot see the truth of God's Word , goes back to another subject here on the forum, strong delusion
Hi @Naomi25 The problem with excessive reliance on logic is that the logical system may seem internally compelling to its advocates or to people willing to be swayed by it, yet as you imply it does not necessarily accord with the statements of Scripture, which is where to go first, right?
Then it shouldn't be too challenging for you to identify the Thread, page, post number, OF you giving your excuse of WHY you disagree with Scripture.
OK, I suppose if someone were saying that . . . I'm not though.
But I think we have different standards when it comes to reading the Bible, and as is normal, we do not agree over things, because we do not read the Bible the same way.
Much love!
Okay let's start with the subject
I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
The subject is those who have died
This concern is over "them which are asleep". The concern is over the loved ones that have died and left them, and their decaying bodies are out there in their grave. Paul is saying for us not to be sorry about those Christians who are dead and gone, for that is the concern of the heathen. The heathen's fear comes from their ignorance of God's word, and His promises. The heathen have no hope, for they believe it's over at the burial.
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."
We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.
Paul, in another writing, told us exactly; as far as the return of Jesus Christ, when we would be gathered back to Him. That goes also for when we would see those who are asleep [dead], and that exact moment is at the sounding of the seventh [last] trumpet. It will happen very quickly, in the wink [twinkling] of an eye. I Corinthians 15:50-54 tells us we will not go away to any place, but stay right here on earth. We are going to be changed into our new Spiritual bodies, and put off these flesh bodies.
Paul says, "Behold I show you a mystery". In other words, Paul is going to reveal something so we will not be ignorant about it. "We shall not all sleep [die] but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:51 Changed to what? The same thing the dead are, and that is the subject. All those still in the flesh body, at a certain moment [the sounding of the seventh trumpet] will shed this flesh body [corruptible and perishable body] and take on the new "incorruptible" body. Friend, That is the hope and salvation of the Christian.
To document this, in I Corinthians 15:50 we are told that "flesh and blood cannot inherit", or face Jesus Christ in His kingdom. Christ's kingdom will cover the entire earth, and that is why the flesh body must perish. The time of this change comes at the seventh trumpet, which is the last trump, and stated in verse 52, "for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed".
Those who are even dead spiritually will be raised in an incorruptible body. That is a body that doesn't get sick, or grow old; in other words, it is your spiritual body.
Why?
Because the Kingdom of God is where ever Christ is; and at the seventh trump Christ will be on earth with the saints, and setting up his 1000 year millennium kingdom. No flesh and blood body can exist in that kingdom. This is your "gathering back to Christ", and that is what the rapture meaning is all about. It is the time when Christ comes back to earth and the saints that are alive are changed and drawn to Him.
Revelation 11:v.18 - And the nations were(will be)angry, and GOD's wrath comes ...
In fact, GOD's wrath started to severely punish the wicked nations of the Devil's world, the chastisements - several chastisements- are underway since a year and a half ago, and will still continue, day after day in the days ahead. There will be only and only chastisements in this seventh and last millennium, they will not have ending, they will be for EVER and EVER, the GOD's wrath will not have END, it's for everlasting time from now on.
Get ready, even if you are one of the elects,if you be not ready to face the hostil environmemnt to come, how will you support the terrible days to come, days such as never was since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. By the way, for the elect's sake these days in very near future shall be shortened in one week divided in two periods, and in each half period of 3,5 years GOD will execute His extrange works -the Word is GOD- making perish the souls into the hell's fire, except them wich are of Him obviously.
2 Thessalonians 1:v.7 to 10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not His gospel,...
9 Which will be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction (eternal perdition) from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power;
10 When He shall come (in the days ahead or days to come) to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in this Day. - the Lord's Day -
Be careful and get ready
Isaiah 26:v.20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Get ready
In fact, GOD's wrath started to severely punish the wicked nations of the Devil's world, the chastisements - several chastisements- are underway since a year and a half ago, and will still continue, day after day in the days ahead. There will be only and only chastisements in this seventh and last millennium, they will not have ending, they will be for EVER and EVER, the GOD's wrath will not have END, it's for everlasting time from now on.
Get ready, even if you are one of the elects,if you be not ready to face the hostil environmemnt to come, how will you support the terrible days to come, days such as never was since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. By the way, for the elect's sake these days in very near future shall be shortened in one week divided in two periods, and in each half period of 3,5 years GOD will execute His extrange works -the Word is GOD- making perish the souls into the hell's fire, except them wich are of Him obviously.
2 Thessalonians 1:v.7 to 10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not His gospel,...
9 Which will be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction (eternal perdition) from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power;
10 When He shall come (in the days ahead or days to come) to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in this Day. - the Lord's Day -
Be careful and get ready
Isaiah 26:v.20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Get ready
The Word is GOD.
And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
In fact, GOD's wrath started to severely punish the wicked nations of the Devil's world, the chastisements - several chastisements- are underway since a year and a half ago, and will still continue, day after day in the days ahead. There will be only and only chastisements in this seventh and last millennium, they will not have ending, they will be for EVER and EVER, the GOD's wrath will not have END, it's for everlasting time from now on.
Get ready, even if you are one of the elects, if you be not ready to face the hostil environment to come, how will you support the terrible days to come, days such as never was since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. By the way, for the elect's sake these days in very near future shall be shortened in one week divided in two periods, and in each half period of 3,5 years GOD will execute His extrange works -the Word is GOD- making perish the souls into the hell's fire, except them wich are of Him obviously.
Matt.24:v.15 and 21-25
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any MAN (Pastors, Bichops, Evangelists, Missionaires, mainly the Beast of earth like a lamb, or anyone through Internet) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;(John 5:43) believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
Two days was determined to prepare material (Hoseas 6:v.2 combined with John 2:v.19) and also create in the image and likeness of God the heirs of the earth(John 3:v.5-6 and Mat.5:v.5), coheirs with Christ of the kingdom of God.
Revelation 6:v.2 combined with Psalm 45:v.4-5 and Psalm 7:v.-12-13
Rev.6:v.2- I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW;
Ps.45:v.4-5:- 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
Psalm 7:v.11-13: - 11 God Judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every Day(a Day=1.000 years). 12 If he turn not, he will whet His Sword; he hath bent his BOW, and made it ready. 13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth His ARROWS against the persecutors.
Revelation 7:v.1-4 and 9-10-and 13-14
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth (North South East West), holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth(Israel-the clay-the dry land), nor on the sea(the Gentiles, or peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues) nor on any tree.(the disciples of JESUS, the believers)
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
13 And one of the(24)elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 8:v.1-5 and 6 to 13
1And when he had opened the seventh seal,there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.(around21years(1.000/24~42/2=21)
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
Revelation 8:v.6 to 13
Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments-Revelation 8:v.6 to 12.
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
It seems that those who imagine to escape or and want to escape the days that will be shortenned for the love of the elect, they do not belong to the number of the elect.
Be careful, or get ready
And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
In fact, GOD's wrath started to severely punish the wicked nations of the Devil's world, the chastisements - several chastisements- are underway since a year and a half ago, and will still continue, day after day in the days ahead. There will be only and only chastisements in this seventh and last millennium, they will not have ending, they will be for EVER and EVER, the GOD's wrath will not have END, it's for everlasting time from now on.
Get ready, even if you are one of the elects, if you be not ready to face the hostil environment to come, how will you support the terrible days to come, days such as never was since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. By the way, for the elect's sake these days in very near future shall be shortened in one week divided in two periods, and in each half period of 3,5 years GOD will execute His extrange works -the Word is GOD- making perish the souls into the hell's fire, except them wich are of Him obviously.
Matt.24:v.15 and 21-25
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any MAN (Pastors, Bichops, Evangelists, Missionaires, mainly the Beast of earth like a lamb, or anyone through Internet) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;(John 5:43) believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
Two days was determined to prepare material (Hoseas 6:v.2 combined with John 2:v.19) and also create in the image and likeness of God the heirs of the earth(John 3:v.5-6 and Mat.5:v.5), coheirs with Christ of the kingdom of God.
Revelation 6:v.2 combined with Psalm 45:v.4-5 and Psalm 7:v.-12-13
Rev.6:v.2- I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a BOW;
Ps.45:v.4-5:- 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
Psalm 7:v.11-13: - 11 God Judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every Day(a Day=1.000 years). 12 If he turn not, he will whet His Sword; he hath bent his BOW, and made it ready. 13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth His ARROWS against the persecutors.
Revelation 7:v.1-4 and 9-10-and 13-14
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth (North South East West), holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth(Israel-the clay-the dry land), nor on the sea(the Gentiles, or peoples, and NATIONS, and multitudes of all tongues) nor on any tree.(the disciples of JESUS, the believers)
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
13 And one of the(24)elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 8:v.1-5 and 6 to 13
1And when he had opened the seventh seal,there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.(around21years(1.000/24~42/2=21)
2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
Revelation 8:v.6 to 13
Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments. Punishments and punishments-Revelation 8:v.6 to 12.
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.
It seems that those who imagine to escape or and want to escape the days that will be shortenned for the love of the elect, they do not belong to the number of the elect.
Be careful, or get ready
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The individual in the video clip falsely teaches (The Day Of The Lord) is a literal 1,000 year millennium on this earth
(The Day of The Lord) represents the Second Coming and final judgement, when the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lords fire (The End)
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You have self proclaimed times and dates, you state 2020-2030 is the last decade of the devil, now your giving half periods of 3,5 years
What's Next?
Why I believe in the rapture.
OP ^
Related Topic:
Heaven;
Believe IN multiple things (levels) called Heaven(S)?
I Believe THAT ^.
Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
* One issue I have observed repeatedly IS:
People who claim, they DO NOT BELIEVE IN the RAPTURE...
Use the Challenging Scripture...
POINT (1) No man has gone up to Heaven, but He who came down from Heaven.
* The Challenge IS, Because "some Rapture believers SAY: POINT (2) Raptured TO Heaven."
I believe:
POINT (1) and POINT (2) are both correct.
On its face appears contradictory...
Fact is, it's a Difference of Understanding.
Some Understand HOW there are Differences, SOME don't.
OP ^
Related Topic:
Heaven;
Believe IN multiple things (levels) called Heaven(S)?
I Believe THAT ^.
Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
* One issue I have observed repeatedly IS:
People who claim, they DO NOT BELIEVE IN the RAPTURE...
Use the Challenging Scripture...
POINT (1) No man has gone up to Heaven, but He who came down from Heaven.
* The Challenge IS, Because "some Rapture believers SAY: POINT (2) Raptured TO Heaven."
I believe:
POINT (1) and POINT (2) are both correct.
On its face appears contradictory...
Fact is, it's a Difference of Understanding.
Some Understand HOW there are Differences, SOME don't.
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