What is Legalism?

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Brakelite

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The answer to that question is in the meaning of the statement....On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It does not mean cancels the law and prophets....It is a loose statement that is meant to encompass the law. Not that it is referencing the color of the cattle in the field...etc.
So why do Christians claim "the law", whatever they may mean that word encompasses, is cancelled under the new covenant?
 

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If a man had five wives and he wanted another but could not support six, he could divorce his old cranky wife and marry a very young wife.
And we know that to be Moses' rabbinical add-on judgment, which he had the authority to add to the law. And he did it, not because the law is despicable as you claim, but because of the hardness of men's hearts at that time. He was accommodating the condition of man during that time.
 

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And we know that to be Moses' rabbinical add-on judgment, which he had the authority to add to the law. And he did it, not because the law is despicable as you claim, but because of the hardness of men's hearts at that time. He was accommodating the condition of man during that time.

Rabbinical add-on judgement???....the Old Testament does not specify how or why or that it had an alternative source.
Depending on how you look at it....Moses allowed....Is He he saying that the whole Old Testament is invalid....the whole Mosaic Law is invalid?....Is He saying Moses was the one that came up with the Laws, not God? He did this also with the eye for eye...life for life Law.
 

Ferris Bueller

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he could divorce his old cranky wife and marry a very young wife. A divorced Hebrew woman lived the life of an outcast....pretty much a death sentence....the Mosaic Law gave him that right.
No, the law required him to make provision for her to be redeemed, or continue her food, clothing, and marital rights.
 

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If man found that his new wife was not a virgin, he could kill her and leave her body at her father's doorstep, the Mosaic Law gave him that right.
The men of the town are to stone her to death. Do you have a problem with God's righteous judgment of sin, or the fact that humans carried out that judgment? Do you think God realized how despicable he was in the law and canceled his righteous judgment of death for promiscuity in this New Covenant?
 

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Here is your full quote...

"I know you're very touchy, and people have to walk on eggshells around you, so put me on ignore, and I'll do the same for you. Besides, you are very closed minded; not open AT ALL.
I won't be seeing anything more from you. You are now on ignore."

Interesting way to express yourself.

He knew what I meant. It wasn't addressed to you.
 

Ferris Bueller

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Now if the Israelites went to war they did not have kill all the men and male children and or babies, they did not have to kill all the non-virgins. But the Mosaic Law directed them to.
Only in regard to the cities of the nations that God was giving Israel as an inheritance. And he commanded that so they would not be influenced by their pagan practices. Is your rub with God's righteous judgment against those who worship false gods or that judgment being carried out by humans?
 

Ferris Bueller

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If a woman that was a virgin but not engaged was raped...and it was discovered....the raper would be required to pay fifty shekels of silver to her father...marry her...and she would be raped for the rest of her life.
You just have to understand this in light of marriage practices during that time. Men did not take a wife the way we do today, and that was culturally acceptable at that time. And so God designated laws to govern their practices. Laws that made sure the husband took his wife's provisional needs into consideration, whether he kept her or not. Perhaps somebody could make the argument, why didn't God just tell them to do marriage the way we do today? Because of the hardness of men's hearts, that's why. The law was given with the condition of men's hearts and their cultural practices in consideration. And by doing that we are provided with valuable insights into how God takes a wife for himself.
 
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Ferris Bueller

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The Mosaic Laws are a harsh and cruel set of laws. Why did God do all that? I am sure He had a good reason...open for discussion.
As I'm showing you the law was actually God's laws for mercifully and graciously protecting people in the various cultural practices of the time. Cruelty suggests injustice. There is nothing unjust about God's law. There is nothing cruel about God's law. He did not command the cruel practices of man. He commanded mercy within those practices commensurate with the hardness of men's hearts at that time before the revelation of the giving of the Holy Spirit through faith in God. And because he did it this way we have a treasure of practical and spiritual insights available to us.
 
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Do you want me to recopy all the scriptures of Paul telling you are not under the Law and why....just say the word.
The disagreement is not whether or not we are under the law. The disagreement is in what not being under the law means. Christians are not under the law. But that does not mean faith does not uphold the law (Romans 3:31). Though most Christians are sure that's what it means.

The Bible will tell you that you cannot subdivide the law. You obey all of them or none of them.
Faith in Christ upholds ALL of the righteous requirements of the law. But most Christians are only able to understand legitimate compliance with the law as a strict, literal keeping of the letter of the law. And so they do not agree that the law is upheld in this New Covenant, even though Paul plainly says it is.
 

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The men of the town are to stone her to death. Do you have a problem with God's righteous judgment of sin, or the fact that humans carried out that judgment? Do you think God realized how despicable he was in the law and canceled his righteous judgment of death for promiscuity in this New Covenant?

Did not say that God was despicable. Like I said, I am sure He had a good reason. But Christ's teachings are superiors.
 

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Telling someone it's not allowed to get a tattoo is not legalism. Saying you have to keep the command to not get a tattoo in order to earn justification is legalism.
@farouk ,
If the issue about tattoos is the rub for you, you just have to settle that matter in your own heart. Did Moses command that the people of God not get a tattoo altogether, or did he command the people of God not to get a tattoo for the dead? Personally, I don't know. It isn't legalism to have an opinion about that. It's legalism to impress the law, whatever you think it means, on a person as a condition for earning justification before the Lord.
 

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Only in regard to the cities of the nations that God was giving Israel as an inheritance. And he commanded that so they would not be influenced by their pagan practices. Is your rub with God's righteous judgment against those who worship false gods or that judgment being carried out by humans?

Don't have a rub.....in regard to the cities of the nations that God was giving Israel as an inheritance. That was all the battles in the Old Testament. And LOL all those virgins worshipped false gods and they made them mothers.
 

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Surely you are into 'do not murder', 'do not steal', 'do not bear false witness', etc., right?
Sir, We are not on the same wavelength. I think you know already that I would not advocate murder and stealing. And I think you know already that professing the Gospel of the grace of God is viewed as being distinct from being under the OT law.

Perhaps it would be better if we ignored each other's posts? because clearly and repeatedly what you wish to say in response to my posts - such as they are - is so vastly different. May you be blessed by the Scriptures and have a nice day.
 

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The disagreement is not whether or not we are under the law. The disagreement is in what not being under the law means. Christians are not under the law. But that does not mean faith does not uphold the law (Romans 3:31). Though most Christians are sure that's what it means.
There is a lot of non-sense there. Empty words that do not stand up to the truth.
 

Ferris Bueller

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Don't have a rub.....in regard to the cities of the nations that God was giving Israel as an inheritance. That was all the battles in the Old Testament. And LOL all those virgins worshipped false gods and they made them mothers.
I don't think God was saying an Israelite could take a virgin from the cities that were to be completely destroyed. That would instantly nullify the command to completely destroy those cities. So obviously, he is speaking about virgins in the cities where the plunder could be taken and not destroyed.