God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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GerhardEbersoehn

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the New Testament Sabbaths is to do intense work.

Though there is no such thing written in Scripture as 'New Testament Sabbaths', especially in contrast to Old Testament Sabbaths, yet this new spin is new.

So, intense work of study? of worship? of chastening our souls? How about catching up on a week's worth of sex in the marriage bed?

God's Rest on the Seventh Day was THIS: Ephesians 1:19,20.

O you blind workers of own righteousness, ONLY DON'T LET GOD DO IT FOR YOU!
 

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Intense work? Never read that in Scripture
"BY THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF THE MIGHT OF HIS POWER WHICH GOD WORKED WHEN : HE: RAISED : CHRIST : FROM : THE DEAD" -- "and God the Seventh Day : RESTED -- from ALL his works He had DONE : RESTED" INCLUDING having RAISED Jesus Christ from the dead the day after the Preparation (Sabbath after the Sixth Day of the week) - the third day HE SAID HE would rise when He was alive -- ON THE SABBATH BEFORE the First Day of the week".

O You illiterate lot but you LOVE to be teachers, preachers and loud mouths.
 

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I have evidence of 7th day sabbath keeping Christians all through history, and also those who found it and returned unto it during the Reformation and afterwards.

You might peruse the following historical accounts:

Jeff Dowell - 209 History of the Sabbath 1st to the 15th Century

Jeff Dowell - 209 History of the Sabbath 1st to the 15th Century

Jeff Dowell 209 History Of The Sabbath 1st To The 15th Century : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Jeff Dowell - 210 History of the Sabbath 16th to the 19th Century

Jeff Dowell - 210 History of the Sabbath 16th to the 19th Century

Jeff Dowell 210 History Of The Sabbath 16th To The 19th Century : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Jeff Dowell - 211 History of the Sabbath 20th and 21st Century

Jeff Dowell - 211 History of the Sabbath 20th and 21st Century

Jeff Dowell 211 History Of The Sabbath 20th And 21st Century : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Doctrine - Sabbath - Thomas Tillam - The Seventh Day Sabbath Sought Out -1657

https://archive.org/download/doctrine-sabbath-thomas-tillam-the-seventh-day-sabbath-sought-out-1657/Doctrine - Sabbath - Thomas Tillam - The Seventh Day Sabbath Sought Out -1657.pdf

Doctrine - Sabbath - Thomas Hamilton - Our Rest Day In History

https://archive.org/download/doctrine-sabbath-thomas-hamilton-our-rest-day-in-history/Doctrine - Sabbath - Thomas Hamilton - Our Rest Day In History.pdf

Doctrine - Sabbath - Frank H Yost - Early Christian Sabbath

https://archive.org/download/doctrine-sabbath-frank-h-yost-early-christian-sabbath/Doctrine - Sabbath - Frank H Yost - Early Christian Sabbath.pdf

Doctrine - Sabbath - J N Andrews - The History Of The Sabbath


https://archive.org/download/doctrine-sabbath-j-n-andrews-the-history-of-the-sabbath/Doctrine - Sabbath - J N Andrews - The History Of The Sabbath.pdf

Doctrine - Sabbath - Christian Edwardson - Facts of Faith In History 1942

https://archive.org/download/doctrine-sabbath-christian-edwardson-facts-of-faith-in-history-1942/Doctrine - Sabbath - Christian Edwardson - Facts of Faith In History 1942.pdf

1st Century | Sabbath Truth

The Seventh Day with Hal Holbrook | Sabbath Truth

Patrick of Ireland was a 7th-day Sabbath keeper, as was Luther's former teacher, Andreas Carlstadt, and even Philip Melanchthon wrote about it, and Luther himself said that in Moravia were "sabbathers".

Good collection as per post. Time to read is a problem. I'm acquainted with only Andrews and know of Carlstadt. But it's a fact NONE agrees with the Heart of the Gospel, that Christ Rose from the dead "IN SABBATH'S-TIME".

The courageous ... o my soul
 

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Amen, Brother. Especially when any obedience we render is merely an offering, containing no merit whatsoever towards salvation. All our righteousness are as filthy rags.
AMEN

Come, let us give the glory and honour owed God in Jesus Christ who honoured the Sabbath Day and kept it "HAVING TRIUMPHED IN IT GLORIOUSLY" Exodus 31:17 and Exodus 15A; Colossians 2:14 Ephesians 1:19,20 and Genesis 2:2,3.
 

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“He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God. …Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets” (Exodus 31:18; 32:16).

“Sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4).

Sin is the breaking of God’s Ten Commandment law. The law of God is perfect (Psalm 19:7), and its principles cover every conceivable sin. The commandments cover “man’s all [the whole duty of man]” (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Nothing is left out.

“Happy is he who keeps the law” (Proverbs 29:18).
“Keep my commands; for length of days and long life and peace they will add to you” (Proverbs 3:1, 2).

God created us to experience happiness, peace, long life, contentment, accomplishment, and all the other great blessings for which our hearts long. God’s law is a road map that points out the right paths to follow in order to find this true, supreme happiness. “By the law is the knowledge of sin” (Romans 3:20). “I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, ‘You shall not covet’ ” (Romans 7:7).

To show us the difference between right and wrong. God’s law is like a mirror (James 1:23–25). It points out wrongdoing in our lives much like a mirror points out dirt on our faces. The only possible way for us to know we are sinning is to carefully check our lives by the mirror of God’s law. Peace for a mixed-up world can be found in God’s Ten Commandments. It tells us where to draw the line!

“The Lord commanded us to observe all these statutes [commandments] … for our good always” (Deuteronomy 6:24).
“Hold me up, and I shall be safe, and I shall observe Your statutes continually. You reject all those who stray from Your statutes” (Psalm 119:117, 118).

To protect us from danger and tragedy. God’s law is like a strong cage at the zoo that protects us from fierce, destructive animals. It protects us from falsehood, murder, idolatry, theft, and many other evils that destroy life, peace, and happiness. All good laws protect, and God’s law is no exception.

“By this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments” (1 John 2:3).


BOTH GOD AND THE LAW ARE:

GoodxxxxxxxxxxxxLuke 18:19xxxxxxxxxxxx1 Timothy 1:8
HolyxxxxxxxxxxxxIsaiah 5:16xxxxxxxxxxxRomans 7:12
PerfectxxxxxxxxxMatthew 5:48xxxxxxxxxxPsalms 19:7
Purexxxxxxxxxxxx1 John 3:2,3xxxxxxxxxxPsalms 19:8
JustxxxxxxxxxxxxDeuteronomy 32:4xxxxxxRomans 7:12
TruexxxxxxxxxxxxJohn 3:33xxxxxxxxxxxxxPsalms 19:9
Spiritualxxxxxxx1 Corinthians 10:4xxxxRomans 7:14
RighteousnessxxxJeremiah 23:6xxxxxxxxxPsalms 119:172
Faithfulxxxxxxxx1 Corinthians 1:9xxxxxPsalms 119:86
Lovexxxxxxxxxxxx1 John 4:8xxxxxxxxxxxxRomans 13:10
UnchangeablexxxxJames 1:17xxxxxxxxxxxxMatthew 5:18
EverlastingxxxxxGenesis 21:33xxxxxxxxxPsalms 111:7,8

This chart shows us that God and His law have the exact same characteristics, revealing that the Ten Commandment law is actually God’s character in written form—written so that we can better comprehend God. It is no more possible to change God’s law than to pull God out of heaven and change Him. Jesus showed us what the law—that is, the pattern for holy living—looks like when expressed in human form. God’s character cannot change; therefore, neither can His law.

The eternal principles within God’s law are written deep in every person’s nature by the God who created us. The writing might be dim and smudged, but it is still there. We were created to live in harmony with them. When we ignore them, the result is always tension, unrest, and tragedy—just as ignoring the rules for safe driving can lead to serious injury or death.


The Ten Commandment law is the standard by which God examines people in the heavenly judgment.

“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail” (Luke 16:17).

“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” (Psalm 89:34).

“All His precepts [commandments] are sure. They stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:7, 8).


The Bible is clear that the law of God cannot be changed. The commandments are revealed principles of God’s holy character and are the very foundation of His kingdom. They will be true as long as God exists.

 

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Considering the vehement opposition to God's Commandments being displayed so openly and without shame on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that this enmity against the law arises for only one reason... You are still carnal, not born again, and while you claim to be spiritual it is a deception for it is nothing more than spiritual intellectualism. Give me one reason why verse 7 does not apply to you?

KJV Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Is not your opposition to the law of God an expression of your carnal fleshly nature? How can it be otherwise? You even boast of your lack of subjection to God's laws, how can Romans 8:7 not apply to you?

Speaking for myself sir, I am not a Born again Christian. I am of the other sheep, those who will inherit the earth, at least I hope so, as I am not the judge.
 

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Yes He did. Which is precisely why the prophets currently reminded Israel that the just were to live by faith. Israel were called to obedience, but God never expected them to do it alone. That's where relationship comes in. Christians today abuse that relationship. They think it's all about them. How God removes His law, no longer expects obedience or faithfulness or duty or obligation; they think God has lowered the standard so they can get away with their addictions and their compromising and their worldliness and their unfaithfulness and treat Jesus like a get out of jail free card grazing in the back paddock like Israel did.
What do you think grace is? What do you believe grace was intended to accomplish? Do you think grace is merely a new testament concept? Look. From the very beginning in Eden God was searching and longing and working towards establishing a relationship with mankind. Why? So that He could offer is His strength, His Spirit, His power, His righteousness, to all those who sought Him and submitted to the conditions. And there really was only two conditions. Believe, and be willing to obey. If we are willing, God will accomplish the impossible. His law will be written on our hearts. Like it was with Abraham. Enoch. David. Jeremiah. Elijah. Elisha. John the Baptist. Anna. Simeon. And Jesus.
Sadly, Christians today don't want to obey. They fight tooth and nail to find excuses and reasons to avoid it. And God gives them the desires of their hearts.


Grace is old english for kindness sir. Those of us under the new covenant are blessed by it. The original word denotes undeserved as well, although I recognize that none of us can have life without being redeemed through the sacrifice given in our behalf, I don't really like adding undeserved to kindness because it sheds a bad light on God. I would like to think that all men who were born imperfect, and they are here by God's request I might add since the fruitage of the belly is a reward, that you are deserving of life, and that you have to personally reject God's offer of it to be disqualified. I will say however, that I don't observe the Bible teaching that, rather Jesus kinda said the road to life will be very limited. Mat 7:14
 

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The reason the Sabbath is still valid we believe is because nowhere in scripture had God declared that He has removed His holiness and sanctity from that day.

And until God will do as SDA expect of Him to do it'll be "the Law the Law the Law as dry as the gravel of the hills of Gilboa"[*] to them until the Lord comes.

[*Mrs E.G. White]
 

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And until God will do as SDA expect of Him to do it'll be "the Law the Law the Law as dry as the gravel of the hills of Gilboa"[*] to them until the Lord comes.

[*Mrs E.G. White]
As long as we're quoting Mrs. White:

“Several have written to me, inquiring if the message of justification by faith is the third angel's message, and I have answered, 'It is the third angel's message in verity.” – Review and Herald, April 1, 1890.
 

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And until God will do as SDA expect of Him to do it'll be "the Law the Law the Law as dry as the gravel of the hills of Gilboa"[*] to them until the Lord comes.

[*Mrs E.G. White]
I only speak of the law in proportion to those who vilify it. Adventists here have constantly and consistently stated that we observe the 7th day Sabbath because that is the way we were directed by the Spirit of God in our searching for truth. None of us promote the law as a means of being justified. But our enemies denigrate the law as a means to defend their refusal to acknowledge the Sabbath. They never would dare do so in order to defend murder, even though they claim the law no longer has any authority over the Christian. So, I try to uphold the law and make it honorable. Not that doing so makes any difference to my standing with God. I was accepted in Him 45 years ago...20 years before the Lord showed me His Sabbath. I am no longer more saved today than I was 40 years ago. It's not about my faith. But His faithfulness.
Here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12.
I wouldn't be commenting at all if someone hadn't said,
God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week
 
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By the way, folks, non SDA Christians remember the sabbath 24/7, because the physical day of rest was a ceremonial foreshadow of our continuing spiritual rest given us by Jesus, who is the rest that the day was a shadow of Matthew 11:28-29 and Colossians 2:16-17.

Now listen carefully, folks, unpretending Christians "remember the Sabbath" because it is Written - specifically "the Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD" - the only "Sabbath of the LORD HE RESTING REVIVED AND REVIVING RESTED ON" - good enough for any Christian to remember as the physical day which God "made the Sabbath Day" of His Actual Divine Resting : IN CHRIST : FROM THE FIRST SABBATH IN EDEN, which in fact was <<a ceremonial foreshadowing of our continuing spiritual rest given us by Jesus>> the Sabbath Day He millennia later would from the dead, RISE ON. "Wherefore do not let yourselves be judged or condemned for eating and drinking of Sabbath' Feast of Christ the Substance." Paul's original Colossians 2:16,17.
 
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Now listen carefully, folks, unpretending Christians "remember the Sabbath" because it is Written - specifically "the Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD" - the only "Sabbath of the LORD HE RESTING REVIVED AND REVIVING RESTED ON" - good enough for any Christian to remember as the physical day which God "made the Sabbath Day" of His Actual Divine Resting : IN CHRIST : FROM THE FIRST SABBATH IN EDEN, which in fact was <<a ceremonial foreshadowing of our continuing spiritual rest given us by Jesus>> the Sabbath Day He millennia later would from the dead, RISE ON. "Wherefore do not let yourselves be judged or condemned for eating and drinking of Sabbath' Feast of Christ the Substance." Paul's original Colossians 2:16,17.
The pure dishonesty in this post is revealed by the fact that the Sabbath is not a ceremony. The ceremonial aspects of the Sabbath was abolished(the sacrifices and offerings that were made on that day), not the Sabbath itself. The Sabbath is a command that God said is a independent covenant(Exo. 31:16), thereby guaranteeing its eternal authority.

Furthermore, Paul was not saying in Col. 2 that the Sabbath was a ceremony that foreshadowed Christ. He was telling the Colossians that nobody except the individuals in God's Church possess any right or authority to judge them for how they were keeping it. The utter absurdity in the notion that Paul said the Sabbath was an abolished is highlighted by Luke portraying Paul in Acts as keeping the Sabbath and not forbidding any Gentile Sabbath keepers he encountered from doing the same.
 
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The events of Mark 3:1-5 were accomplished on the 7th day, not the first.

Mar 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
Mar 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
Mar 3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mar 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

Luk 6:6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
Luk 6:7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
Luk 6:8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
Luk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
Luk 6:10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Luk 6:11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

These words "Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other" are virtually the three in essence identical clauses found in the Greek in Exodus 14:26,27,28. Which is why Jesus' miracles and parables which He performed and taught on the Sabbath were PROPHETIC OF HIS RESURRECTION, THAT HE WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON THE SABBATH DAY.
But no, say the Sabbathtarians lagging behind in their chorus with the Sundayworshippers. The Sundayworshippers must have had it right, Jesus rose on the First Day, Sunday, or we have been TOO STUPID to notice that they actually are WRONG. Therefore CURSED ARE YOU if you teach what the Scriptures say instead, because if you were right, we must have been wrong and fast asleep for centuries all along, and that, you nuisance, will be the day!
 

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BUT God explicitly declared also one day

True. He did declare it, before the law of Moses, and in the law of Moses, but not after the law of Moses.

I am under the law of Christ to obey toward God.

Can't be. If what you claim is the least true, you stand CONDEMNED <<under the law of Christ to obey toward God>>, who <<explicitly declared one day>> only, Exodus 15 from 14 to Exodus 20 and the Fourth Commandment FILLED FULLY, "BY THE GLORY OF HIS HOLINESS THE SON WHOM GOD RAISED FROM THE DEAD" (Romans 1:3,4) : "ON THE SABBATH".
 

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Which apostle in the doctrine of Christ stated plainly to keep the Sabbath? They had plenty to say about not killing, no adultery, etc...Oh, I got: God figured that 4th commandment to be so obviously sacrosanct, far and above any puny law of circumcision, that to actually include it in the doctrine of Christ was just a waste of time. Like, duh.

DUH That's robert derrick obviously so full of HIMSELF the doctrine of Christ obviously compares sacrosanct to his law of circumcision of the puny flesh instead of the heart.
 

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The way to get someone to stop replying to your posts is to stop quoting and posting to them, yourself--not by submitting a passive-aggressive pseudo-order. Welcome to ChristianityBoard!!! :)

Just to remind you that this thread is my OP and I believe it has been hijacked. But I'm learning.

Thanks