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Christina

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The problem with this writer is when we provide a link it is because it says what we are saying.It is out of our desire to share what we have learned with you.You keep telling us we are not proving it to you so we attempt to send you links that say it in a different perhaps more scholarly wayand you don't read them because for what ever reasons or say your argument is not with them. This says one thing you don't care what we are saying you refuse to look at them because you plain don't care what our point is. Sense only your opinion is what matters to you right or wrong You are here to play games with us and Gods word. You take our attempts and throw them back in our face and continue on playing games. I find this more insulting than calling names. Therefore I am done debating with you. You don't have to agree with us but we will not be played for a fools Nor make games out of Gods word to entertain you.
 

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Having someone else argue for you is not fair debating, neither from my side nor yours. I could throw out several links to back up OSAS and tell you to address what is written there, and leave it at that, but I do not. I write in my own words my own arguments for what I believe, and I ask that you do the same. To have someone else argue for you or to throw out a link to an article, whether 1 paragraph long or 100 is a cop-out. You should know your doctrine well enough to defend it yourself, instead you need someone else to do it for you. I am not discrediting anything that you say, Kriss, or anyone else. I am only asking that YOU say it, and that you back up your arguments with the Word of God. That is what we are debating, is it not? The Word of God? The Word of God is not a game to me. It is a rather serious matter, and if it were not so, I would not be here. I believe that such sites as these are misleading people because of poor Bible Study, and yes, you would say the same about me, and I respect that. But I am asking that you prove me wrong with the Word of God so that if I am wrong I may know the truth, but you are not willing to do so. Use the Word of God to defend what YOU believe, not the Watchmen to defend yourself.
 

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Writer, It is ok to present yourself and don't have to agree with anyone but telling others they are not being biblical just because they are not doing it your way. It seems that you have your own formula to debate or discuss and if your opposers are not following your formula you keep harass them to no end. You ought to be fair, writer.
 

writer4hisglory

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No one is addressing anything that I have written in my post in Matthew 24 - this has turned into a bickering hodgepodge of insults. Read through the article, pull out the points that you believe supports your view and use them in your debate, but do the debating yourself. My argument is with you not the Watchmen. Invite them to the Forums and I will debate them here along with the rest of you, but I am not interested in arguing against essays.
 

Christina

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I believe that such sites as these are misleading people because of poor Bible Study,
this is the only true statement you have made How dare you and who do you think you are that you can come to our site say everyone but you knows how to study the Bible you have the pride and arogance of Cain. I and others here have spent more time studying scripture than you been alive, yet you think you know better. People have had life experience that have taught them more than your memorizing scripture will ever teach you.
 

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and yes, you would say the same about me, and I respect that. But I am asking that you prove me wrong with the Word of God so that if I am wrong I may know the truth, but you are not willing to do so. Use the Word of God to defend what YOU believe, not the Watchmen to defend yourself.
Please take what I said in context.
 

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Writer, I'm very quickly growing tired of this. Every discussion has to be defined by your rules. I've seen a lot of stubborn people in my life, but I have never seen someone so manipulative of a discussion to the point that it borders on obssession. No one can seem to address your points no matter what we say. You simply ignore what is said and move on to something else while saying the same thing continually as if it had never been addressed in the first place. Simply ignoring everyone and claiming that your points aren't being addressed wins no one over to your cause. Either contribute to the debate in a reasonable manner or move on. You do not define the world and you do not define what is debated in the forum by any stretch of the imagination. If you desire so intensly to what counts - both in discussion and in the Word - go ahead and create your own forum. However, while you are here, you will play by our rules. They're not that difficult to follow, most people don't have a problem with them. I respect your write to have your opinion on Scripture and if you can truly justify what you say, more power to you. However, I will not have it so that you define what is counted and what is thrown out, period.
 

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Is the Matthew 24 passage satisfied, or do you still wish for me to clarify anything in the argument that I have presented.
 

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Is the Matthew 24 passage satisfied, or do you still wish for me to clarify anything in the argument that I have presented.
ok, writher, I will take your bait. Which verses are you talking about in Matt24?
 

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Matthew 24:45-51Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
so you interepet this as OSAS? What makes you think hypocrites will be in God's kingdom?
 

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No, I did not present this as an argument for OSAS, this was presented as an argument against OSAS. I have two more passages to address before I present my support passages for OSAS into the debate.
 

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This is getting ridiculous. Writer, you really do have such a big pride in you. You don't care what its says that is in the Word of God, nor care about our words so that we may be able to help you understand. You care only about what you say. To be clearly honest, you are pretty much on everybody's last nerve. You truly are. You think you know everything and what is of God and what is of not. The matter of fact is I don't think at all, that you will be able to handle the truth. You like to cover your own shame...but can't take away the fact that God can clearly see them.Romans 1:22 - Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.God hates it when His people becomes so prideful. And He hates lying deceitful things.Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.And we hate the traditions of men, it is so evil.Psalm 97:10 - Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.Writer, we will not be floor mats to you at all.Lovest ye in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Ad Hominem, thesuperjag - attacking the debater rather than debating. What does this have to do with addressing what was written in Matthew 24?
 

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Writer, my point is merely that if you feel you've made the argument say it and you're done. However, what you have been saying is simply, in effect, that our replies as a collective group don't count by your judgment of the criteria. That's not the way to carry out a discussion. I'm willing to let what I have said stand. I have nothing else to elaborate because I am confident in what I have said and will not apologize for a word of it.
 

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I am not asking you to, and I respect your stand. I am simply wanting to make sure that I have made mine clearly, though. Is there anything that you want elaborated from what I have said, or something that you think I have not been to clear on or have not addressed in the Matthew 24 passage? Thanks for your input, truly.
 

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The question "Once saved, always saved?" to me, as I think on it, though I never noticed it before, is a bit of an oxymoron when one understands who God is, and what His character is like. Once saved, always saved? Well yes, I suppose we are always saved. Unless one thinks God's hands are weak; unless His boat has holes; or unless God, who is sovereign in will, would throw children back who He chose to save. Unless those things are true... yes, once saved, always saved.Does God ever go back on His promises? No, He cannot. I feel I can be pretty matter-of-fact in saying that God keeps His promises. Even people who don't know God will often understand that as part one of His must-be characteristics. When I was saved... God promised me salvation inspite of my sin. I do not know what He promised you (I say this... kiddingly, He makes the same promise), but when I was saved, it was not because I was perfect, sinless, or even totally aware of how God was saving me.Now, if He gave you a promise, will He go back on that promise? I think not. Even when we are unfaithful, He remains faithful. And, Jesus said that the faith of a mustard seed will move a mountain. How much faith will He require from us to save a soul? Jesus' analogy, of course, was not a mathmatical equation that can be measured to scale to other things. Jesus was saying that it takes little to no faith, if one would just believe in what God calls them to do, then God will move a mountain even with a faith that is near nothing. Now, after the mountain is moved into the sea... If my faith, after God has moved the mountain, fails, does that faith work in reverse? Does the mountain come back out of the sea? Does the mountain go back from where it came? I think not. The mountain has been moved.I am under strong convincing that once saved... once saved, period. It is God who saves, and Our Father, I say this reverently, is no Indian giver. Neither was my salvation based on my own works; therefore, when my works run out, why should my salvation? When my works go the opposite direction, why should my salvation? A God, remember, who while we were yet sinners, died for us... and gave Himself for us... should He make such a great sacrifice that our sin, even blaintantly willful, could overpower it?
 
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