Jesus Second Coming

Truth7t7 · Aug 14, 2021

n2thelight said:
One of us by virtue of not agreeing is deceived , so take a look at the below

Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

When were the 1000 years fulfilled ?

Is it literally "One Day" or "Thousand Years" below?

Its neither, the scripture is clearly showing the reader, there is no literal time in the Lords Eternal Spiritual Realm, Be Not Ignorant

(Revelation) 20:1-6 Is In The Lords Eternal Spiritual, There Isnt A Earthly Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Seen, "Spiritual"

(2 Peter) 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Truth7t7 · Aug 14, 2021

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
Because the resurrection of the dead body when it is raised a spiritual body is an integral part of the gospel, and it will occur for those who died believing in Christ when He returns to gather His elect, and those who are still alive when He returns will be changed in form (from a flesh body to a spiritual body) and meet the Lord in the air with the others (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18).

If you want a list of all the verses talking about the resurrection of the dead when Christ returns, go here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gYTKhO_bxFBrxHaXEWaQYlgXBYyfPAkD/view

I Agree 100% Mike, Good Post Of Truth!

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Zao is life · Aug 14, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
I Agree 100% Mike, Good Post Of Truth!

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Death will be swallowed up in victory for those who are resurrected when Christ returns, but "then (Greek: εἶτα eîta) in 1 Corinthians 15:24 does not necessarily mean "immediately afterwards". The same Greek word is used here:

"For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then (Greek: εἶτα eîta) the ear, after that (Greek: εἶτα eîta) the full corn in the ear." (Mark 4:28).

It's quite obvious that there is a season for each stage;

It's also used here:

"And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward (Greek: εἶτα eîta), when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended." (Mark 4:17)

"After that (Greek: εἶτα eîta) he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded." (John 13:5).

And in a number of other verses. It can mean "immediately afterward" but it does not necessarily mean that.

So how you interpret "then" 1 Corinthians 15:24 depends on your starting premise, but you still need to be able to reconcile your interpretation of the word "then" in 1 Corinthians 15:24 with these words in the book of Hebrews:

"..But now (Greek: nyn, "of this present time") we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son." ("You have subjected all things under his feet." For in order that He put all things under him, He did not leave anything not subjected. But now we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son). (Hebrews 2:8b-9);

and with the words "But now (Greek: nyn, "of this present time") My kingdom is not from here." (John 18:36b) (" Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here."

and with the words " I will declare the decree of the LORD. He has said to Me, You are My Son; today I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I shall give the nations for Your inheritance; and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." (Psalm 2:7-9);

(" Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here.")

and with the words, "And the seventh angel sounded. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ. And He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15).

Also, if you believe in a symbolic millennium and in OSAS, you are fine, but if you believe in NOSAS, then you need to reconcile all the above with the fact that the second death has absolutely no power over those who are seen living and reigning with Christ a thousand years (Revelation 20:6)..

It takes a lot of playing musical chairs with the scriptures and more than a little mental gymanstics to reconcile all the scriptures that point to a literal millennium with a symbolic millennium,

and it takes just as much mental gymnastics and playing musical chairs to reconcile pre-mil with what Peter says in 2 Peter 3 and what is said in many other passages which prophesy regarding the day of the Lord's return, and the fate of those not in the Ark when He returns

Personally, from going from A-mil to Pre-mil, I now find A-mil arguments to be solid in part (but only in part, because to be A-mil you must also be able to ignore the Biblical problems with A-mil), or completely reinterpret the scriptures in the light of A-mil, but likewise, to be Pre-mil you must also ignore those arguments from scripture which A-mils bring up that are solid, and reinterpret them in the light of Pre-mil

so nowadays I've adopted a different position - a position of "wait and see", unless and until I get more information or understanding and insight that can make up my mind either way.

However, I do not for one minute believe Satan, though defeated by the cross, was bound in any way, shape or form at the time of the cross - there are too many scriptures proving the opposite, and NO scriptures actually "proving" that Satan is currently bound, in any way, shape or form.

Not do I believe for one minute that those seen living and reigning with Christ have not been resurrected in body at the time of the resurrection, when the flesh body is resurrected a spiritual body.

Keraz · Aug 14, 2021

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
so nowadays I've adopted a different position - a position of "wait and see, unless and until I get more information or understanding and insight that can make up my mind either way".

Very interesting. You are a good Bible studier and have realized how some people have ignored many scriptures in order to make their theory work.
My belief is not Amil or a 'rapture' to heaven for anyone, excepting the 2 Witnesses.
The next prophesied event will be the Sixth Seal world changer. Revelation 6:12-17 and graphically described in over 100 other prophesies. It will affect everyone, the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35

Then, all the things prophesied from Rev 7 to Rev 19:10 must happen. Jesus will physically Return and reign for the next 1000 years, then He hands the Kingdom back to the Father, 1 Corinthians 15:24, then comes Eternity.

I looked at the list of resurrection verses you provided.
I disagree that there will be a general resurrection when Jesus Returns. Those verses mostly apply to the Judgment after the Millennium. Proved by Revelation 20:4-5, where ONLY the GT martyrs will be brought back to life.

Zao is life · Aug 14, 2021

Keraz said:
Very interesting. You are a good Bible studier and have realized how some people have ignored many scriptures in order to make their theory work.
My belief is not Amil or a 'rapture' to heaven for anyone, excepting the 2 Witnesses.
The next prophesied event will be the Sixth Seal world changer. Revelation 6:12-17 and graphically described in over 100 other prophesies. It will affect everyone, the whole world over. Luke 21:34-35

Then, all the things prophesied from Rev 7 to Rev 19:10 must happen. Jesus will physically Return and reign for the next 1000 years, then He hands the Kingdom back to the Father, 1 Corinthians 15:24, then comes Eternity.

I looked at the list of resurrection verses you provided.
I disagree that there will be a general resurrection when Jesus Returns. Those verses mostly apply to the Judgment after the Millennium. Proved by Revelation 20:4-5, where ONLY the GT martyrs will be brought back to life.

My view is that all those who are in Christ will be resurrected when He returns, but this does not necessarily mean that all the resurrected will be those living and reigning with Christ, if the millennium is indeed literal. Paul's teaching is what I'm going on, in 1 Corinthians 15:23 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

One day we will all be able to see how every prophecy has been exactly fulfilled (I'm not saying that all prophecy has already been fulfilled, but it will all be).

I like your posts but I would need to read through all the prophetic books again to know where I believe you are correct and where I believe you are wrong, so because you're the expert on what is written in the Old Testament prophetic books (compared to me), I don't say anything.

Truth7t7 · Aug 14, 2021

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
NO scriptures actually "proving" that Satan is currently bound, in any way, shape or form.

Of Course Satan Is Bound By The 6th Vial, And Cant Move To (Deceive The Nations To Battle) Until This Vial Is Poured Out (Bound/Sealed)

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth7t7 · Aug 14, 2021

Keraz said:
I disagree that there will be a general resurrection when Jesus Returns. Those verses mostly apply to the Judgment after the Millennium. Proved by Revelation 20:4-5, where ONLY the GT martyrs will be brought back to life.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Zao is life · Aug 14, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

All right, let's stick to scripture then, because you have posted scriptures that you say "prove" that Satan is currently bound:

This was immediately after the ascension of Christ, according to Revelation 12:

"And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9).

"But also if our gospel is hidden, it is hidden to those being lost, in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (who is the image of God) should not dawn on them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17

* Peter tells Christians to "Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour; whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood." (1 Peter 5:8-9).

* In Ephesians 6:11-12 Paul tells the Christians there to "put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil", and then continues to say, "because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places".

In Revelation 2:12a Jesus tells the church at Pergamos, "I know your works, and where you live, even where Satan's seat is.”

In Revelation 2:9-10 Jesus tells the church in Smyrna that ”the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

In 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Paul tells the Christians in Thessaloniki that he, and those who accompanied him on his journeys, had attempted to come to them, "but Satan hindered us."

James tells Christians, "Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7).

---BEGINNING OF THE CURRENT AGE, AFTER THE ASCENSION OF CHRIST---

"And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9).

---Satan being bound at the commencement of the millennium---

“And he laid hold on the dragon (which had given power to the empire), that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time." (Rev 20:2-3)

He can't be deceiving and not deceiving all at the same time.

All the above scriptures prove that Satan is not currently bound. The devil was defeated BY the cross, but as you can see from all the quoted passages, according to scripture he was no more bound at that time than he has been cast into the Lake of Fire yet.

Also, in the epistles, both Peter and Jude refer to angels who are currently bound in chains of darkness, awaiting judgment (2 Peter 2:4-9 and Jude 1:5-7).*

* The above statements by Peter and Jude are not made anywhere else in the Bible, but the binding of these angels is spoken of in the Book of Enoch, where it is mentioned as having taken place during the days of Noah; and the surrounding context of both Peter and Jude’s statements regarding the angels that are bound, is also a time which was ancient history to the apostles’ day.

Therefore only through sheer conjecture can someone assert that the above verses point to Satan and his angels being bound at the time when, as the Revelation tells us, they were cast down to the earth after Christ ascended into heaven.

Like I said, it depends on your (i.e anyone's) starting point whether or not you are going to interpret all of the above scriptures in light of A-millennialism, or in light of Pre-millennialism.

Truth7t7 · Aug 14, 2021

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
All right, let's stick to scripture then, because you have posted scriptures that you say "prove" that Satan is currently bound:

This was immediately after the ascension of Christ, according to Revelation 12:

"And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9).

"But also if our gospel is hidden, it is hidden to those being lost, in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (who is the image of God) should not dawn on them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17

* Peter tells Christians to "Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour; whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood." (1 Peter 5:8-9).

* In Ephesians 6:11-12 Paul tells the Christians there to "put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil", and then continues to say, "because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places".

In Revelation 2:12a Jesus tells the church at Pergamos, "I know your works, and where you live, even where Satan's seat is.”

In Revelation 2:9-10 Jesus tells the church in Smyrna that ”the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

In 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Paul tells the Christians in Thessaloniki that he, and those who accompanied him on his journeys, had attempted to come to them, "but Satan hindered us."

James tells Christians, "Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7).

---BEGINNING OF THE CURRENT AGE, AFTER THE ASCENSION OF CHRIST---

"And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9).

---Satan being bound at the commencement of the millennium---

“And he laid hold on the dragon (which had given power to the empire), that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time." (Rev 20:2-3)

He can't be deceiving and not deceiving all at the same time.

All the above scriptures prove that Satan is not currently bound. The devil was defeated BY the cross, but as you can see from all the quoted passages, according to scripture he was no more bound at that time than he has been cast into the Lake of Fire yet.

Also, in the epistles, both Peter and Jude refer to angels who are currently bound in chains of darkness, awaiting judgment (2 Peter 2:4-9 and Jude 1:5-7).*

* The above statements by Peter and Jude are not made anywhere else in the Bible, but the binding of these angels is spoken of in the Book of Enoch, where it is mentioned as having taken place during the days of Noah; and the surrounding context of both Peter and Jude’s statements regarding the angels that are bound, is also a time which was ancient history to the apostles’ day.

Therefore only through sheer conjecture can someone assert that the above verses point to Satan and his angels being bound at the time when, as the Revelation tells us, they were cast down to the earth after Christ ascended into heaven.

Like I said, it depends on your (i.e anyone's starting point whether or not you are going to interpret all of the above scriptures in light of A-millennialism, or in light of Pre-millennialism.

Revelation 20:7-8 interprets Revelation 20:3, You Willfully Disregard This Clear Interpretation (In Context) The Scripture Interprets Itself

Revelation 20:3 Satan Is Bound So He Can't (Deceive The Nations) To Battle

(Revelation) 20:2-3KJV
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

(Revelation) 20:7-8 Satan Is Loosed To (Deceive The Nations) And That Deception Is (Deceiving Them To Battle) By False Miracles, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

(Revelation) 20:7-8KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Zao is life · Aug 14, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:7-8 interprets Revelation 20:3, You Willfully Disregard This Clear Interpretation (In Context) The Scripture Interprets Itself

Revelation 20:3 Satan Is Bound So He Can't (Deceive The Nations) To Battle

(Revelation) 20:2-3KJV
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

(Revelation) 20:7-8 Satan Is Loosed To (Deceive The Nations) And That Deception Is (Deceiving Them To Battle) By False Miracles, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

(Revelation) 20:7-8KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:7-8 interprets Revelation 20:3, You Willfully Disregard This Clear Interpretation (In Context) The Scripture Interprets Itself

Well this is why we'll get nowhere. You willfully disregard all the New Testament scriptures which show Satan as not being bound currently (any more than he has been cast into the lake of fire yet). I quoted some of them, but you willfully disregard them all in favor of interpreting what Revelation 20 says about the binding of Satan in the light of A-millennialism.

Once you start interpreting scripture (what Revelation 20 says about the binding of Satan) in the light of scripture (all the New Testament scriptures which speak of and warn the saints of Satan's activity in the world and in the Church during this current Age, some of which I quoted for you), then we may be able to continue.

But up till now you're willfully disregarding scripture in order to interpret Revelation 20's statements about the binding of Satan not in the light of scripture, but in the light of your A-mil starting point.

Zao is life · Aug 14, 2021

Keraz said:
Very interesting. You are a good Bible studier and have realized how some people have ignored many scriptures in order to make their theory work.

Thank you. You dig into the scriptures so much that by now I think you'd be able to quote large portions of Old Testament and New Testament prophetic scripture without even looking at a Bible.

n2thelight · Aug 16, 2021

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
My view is that all those who are in Christ will be resurrected when He returns, but this does not necessarily mean that all the resurrected will be those living and reigning with Christ, if the millennium is indeed literal. Paul's teaching is what I'm going on, in 1 Corinthians 15:23 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

One day we will all be able to see how every prophecy has been exactly fulfilled (I'm not saying that all prophecy has already been fulfilled, but it will all be).

I like your posts but I would need to read through all the prophetic books again to know where I believe you are correct and where I believe you are wrong, so because you're the expert on what is written in the Old Testament prophetic books (compared to me), I don't say anything.

The dead are already resurrected ,they are now in Heaven ,the come back with Christ to this earth, those living at that time will be changed to those who are returning

The flesh will not rise

Keraz · Aug 16, 2021

n2thelight said:
The dead are already resurrected ,they are now in Heaven ,the come back with Christ to this earth, those living at that time will be changed to those who are returning

This fanciful idea will not happen.
Jesus will bring the souls of the GT martyrs back with Him. They will be brought back to life and will rule with Jesus for the Millennium. That is all, until the end of the Millennium, when all the dead and the living will be Judged. Rev 20:11-15

Curtis · Aug 16, 2021

quietthinker said:
because it doesn't.

Yes it does.

The SDA is wrong.

Moses died, yet his soul isn’t eating dirt while sleeping with his dead body - he appeared to Jesus at His transfiguration - one of many things that falsifies soul sleep.

The SDA and Watchtower share that error, because they have the Millerite connection associated with both.

Maranatha

n2thelight · Aug 16, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Your claim is false, satan is currently bound by the 6th vial, and he can't deceive the nations to the final battle as Revelation 20:1-8 teaches

You got that all wrong

Revelation 20:1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

This takes place before the millennium after he satan has pretended to be Christ

"Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

This has yet to happen ,for if it did we would have seen satan live and in person doing the below

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

You need get your chronological order of events straight .After he deceives the world he goes into the pit

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

When did that happen ? It hasn't !!

Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

Then when ?

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

After the Millennium then the white throne judgement ,when all who did not chose to make it will be destroyed

Curtis · Aug 16, 2021

Keraz said:
This fanciful idea will not happen.
Jesus will bring the souls of the GT martyrs back with Him. They will be brought back to life and will rule with Jesus for the Millennium. That is all, until the end of the Millennium, when all the dead and the living will be Judged. Rev 20:11-15

I mostly agree, except those raptured in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 are a firstfruits resurrection, just as Jesus’ resurrection was a firstfruits resurrection, and they won’t be part of the post millennium general resurrection of the rest of the dead.

Maranatha

n2thelight · Aug 17, 2021

Keraz said:
This fanciful idea will not happen.
Jesus will bring the souls of the GT martyrs back with Him. They will be brought back to life and will rule with Jesus for the Millennium. That is all, until the end of the Millennium, when all the dead and the living will be Judged. Rev 20:11-15

Please tell where in scripture do you get that ?

The soul does not die until the 2nd death ,flesh is dirt and that's where it shall return . Do you think Paul ,Ezekiel John Peter James ,along with all other Christians who have died in Christ are in some hole in the ground.

What you mean brought back to life ,they never died and they don't need the flesh they had

Truth7t7 · Aug 17, 2021

n2thelight said:
You got that all wrong

Revelation 20:1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

This takes place before the millennium after he satan has pretended to be Christ

"Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

This has yet to happen ,for if it did we would have seen satan live and in person doing the below

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

You need get your chronological order of events straight .After he deceives the world he goes into the pit

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

When did that happen ? It hasn't !!

Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

Then when ?

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

After the Millennium then the white throne judgement ,when all who did not chose to make it will be destroyed

We Will Disagree

Of Course Satan Is Bound By The 6th Vial, And Cant Move To (Deceive The Nations To Battle) Until This Vial Is Poured Out (Bound/Sealed)

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth7t7 · Aug 17, 2021

Curtis said:
I mostly agree, except those raptured in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 are a firstfruits resurrection, just as Jesus’ resurrection was a firstfruits resurrection, and they won’t be part of the post millennium general resurrection of the rest of the dead.

Maranatha

Your Teaching Of "Multiple Resurrections" At Different Times Is "False"

There Will Be "One" Future Resurrection Of "All" That Will Take Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Curtis · Aug 17, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Your Teaching Of "Multiple Resurrections" At Different Times Is "False"

There Will Be "One" Future Resurrection Of "All" That Will Take Place On "The Last Day" At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The resurrection to life can, and does, occur in multiple stages. Jesus’ resurrection was the first resurrected as part of the resurrection unto life.

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