In this post, we will examine the uptick of 10 trends relating to critical End Times prophecies. The latest news reports point to the imminent Rapture of the Church.
World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End
World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End
World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End
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Ziggy
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I was thinking this morning...
I do that a lot.
Everytime the enemy tries to divide us or destroy us, we multiply and get stronger.
The great falling away of those who are not true Christians are "identifying" themselves.
Boomerang effect.
Just thoughts
Hugs
I do that a lot.
Everytime the enemy tries to divide us or destroy us, we multiply and get stronger.
The great falling away of those who are not true Christians are "identifying" themselves.
Boomerang effect.
Just thoughts
Hugs
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The article was interesting. Couldn’t get behind point number 2…totally took the verse out of context, which I thought was strange…there are plenty of other verses in Revelation that they could have used for environmental disturbances…not sure why they tried to link it with Rev 12.
As a general rule, I can’t see/support dispensational teaching. For a variety of reasons. However, considering some of the trends these days, one would have to be just a little bit stupid not to keep their eyes wide open to certain possibilities.
Desire Of All Nations
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Some of these "trends" are outright wrong, and others are misapplied to fit the Romanist traditions of what bible prophecy says.
Trend 1 in the article is outright wrong because everything from "He" to "offering" concerns Christ's sacrifice putting an end to the need for the temple rituals.
Trend 2 in the article is also wrong because it uses the wrong prophecy to support it. The passage that was used doesn't describe environmental birth pangs at all. It literally says the woman in that passage was the one suffering from birth pangs.
Trend 3 in the article is also wrong. The passage says those countries are devising "clever schemes" against the Jews, meaning those countries are secretly planning to betray the Jewish nation. If the person who put this article together actually looked into who the modern day descendants of the listed countries in Psa. 83:1-8 are, they'd know those countries are the very ones Israel is currently allying themselves with against Iran.
Trend 4 is another misquoted prophecy because it is not referring to Erdogan or Turkey. It is referring to the resurrected Roman system Satan has used to murder people in God's Church and deceive the world for the last 900+ years. Erdogan and Turkey have never possessed that kind of power, so i don't understand how anyone could conclude that the prophecy was about him.
Trend 6 is another prophecy that is typically misapplied by Romanists because they assume the prophecy refers to any professing Christian and it doesn't. Christ is clearly referring to His true followers here. He is not talking about Romanist churches or landmark sites being burned or desecrated. He wasn't even talking about Romanists themselves being killed or attacked. Christ said His followers would be hated by all nations, and Romanists are not hated by all nations. Only true followers of Christ can be hated by all nations because they stand out from literally everybody else on the planet, including Romanists.
Trend 7 is another passage that is often misapplied by Romanists. While apostasy is an end-time sign, the apostasy the Bible warns about is deviating from biblical Christianity, not Romanism. Romanist churches have always practiced abominations and throughout their existence. Matter of fact, their whole existence was founded on people deviating from scripture.
Trend 8 is another tradition of Romanism that came about by not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. Dan. 7:23 is about the Roman empire, not a one world government. The beasts in Dan. 7 represent the same empires that are symbolized by the metals of the Dan. 2 statue, and they are mentioned in the same exact order.
Trend 9 is yet another traditionally misapplied passage in Romanism. The mark of the beast is not a physical object. It is a spiritual mark, hence Rev. 13:16 saying it is something the false prophet enforces: "He(the land beast) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads". The Bible spells it out in no uncertain terms that the mark is religious in nature, not mechanical. And since it is religious in nature, it is something that convinces people to willingly disobey God's commandments.
Trend 10 is absolutely wrong(not to mention hilariously wrong), primarily because this chart assumes the Tribulation will last 7 years. Revelation and Daniel teaches that the Tribulation will last only 3 and a half years:
"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time." - Dan. 7:25
"And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be? Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. - Dan. 12:7-8
“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months." - Rev. 11:2
"But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent." - Rev. 12:14
The chart also assumes that Christians will disappear off the face of the earth during the Laodicean era and won't face the Tribulation, yet Christ plainly warned that the Laodiceans who fail to repent of their apostasy will be made to experience the Tribulation:
“So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." Rev. 3:16
"“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent." - Rev. 3:19
There is a similar warning in Mal. 3:3(and yes, Malachi was primarily written for the last days):
"He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer to the LORD an offering in righteousness."
This listed trend assumes that the whole Church will be kept safe from the Tribulation, but that is a Romanist assumption that has no biblical support. The promise was made specifically to the Philadelphians in the Laodicean era (Rev. 3:10). The Laodiceans received a warning to repent and accept God's authority over their lives(v.19-20). It make no logical sense to apply the promise in Rev. 3:10 to the Laodiceans when Christ said they despise God's authority over their lives and don't practice the truth.
Trend 1 in the article is outright wrong because everything from "He" to "offering" concerns Christ's sacrifice putting an end to the need for the temple rituals.
Trend 2 in the article is also wrong because it uses the wrong prophecy to support it. The passage that was used doesn't describe environmental birth pangs at all. It literally says the woman in that passage was the one suffering from birth pangs.
Trend 3 in the article is also wrong. The passage says those countries are devising "clever schemes" against the Jews, meaning those countries are secretly planning to betray the Jewish nation. If the person who put this article together actually looked into who the modern day descendants of the listed countries in Psa. 83:1-8 are, they'd know those countries are the very ones Israel is currently allying themselves with against Iran.
Trend 4 is another misquoted prophecy because it is not referring to Erdogan or Turkey. It is referring to the resurrected Roman system Satan has used to murder people in God's Church and deceive the world for the last 900+ years. Erdogan and Turkey have never possessed that kind of power, so i don't understand how anyone could conclude that the prophecy was about him.
Trend 6 is another prophecy that is typically misapplied by Romanists because they assume the prophecy refers to any professing Christian and it doesn't. Christ is clearly referring to His true followers here. He is not talking about Romanist churches or landmark sites being burned or desecrated. He wasn't even talking about Romanists themselves being killed or attacked. Christ said His followers would be hated by all nations, and Romanists are not hated by all nations. Only true followers of Christ can be hated by all nations because they stand out from literally everybody else on the planet, including Romanists.
Trend 7 is another passage that is often misapplied by Romanists. While apostasy is an end-time sign, the apostasy the Bible warns about is deviating from biblical Christianity, not Romanism. Romanist churches have always practiced abominations and throughout their existence. Matter of fact, their whole existence was founded on people deviating from scripture.
Trend 8 is another tradition of Romanism that came about by not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. Dan. 7:23 is about the Roman empire, not a one world government. The beasts in Dan. 7 represent the same empires that are symbolized by the metals of the Dan. 2 statue, and they are mentioned in the same exact order.
Trend 9 is yet another traditionally misapplied passage in Romanism. The mark of the beast is not a physical object. It is a spiritual mark, hence Rev. 13:16 saying it is something the false prophet enforces: "He(the land beast) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads". The Bible spells it out in no uncertain terms that the mark is religious in nature, not mechanical. And since it is religious in nature, it is something that convinces people to willingly disobey God's commandments.
Trend 10 is absolutely wrong(not to mention hilariously wrong), primarily because this chart assumes the Tribulation will last 7 years. Revelation and Daniel teaches that the Tribulation will last only 3 and a half years:
"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time." - Dan. 7:25
"And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be? Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. - Dan. 12:7-8
“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months." - Rev. 11:2
"But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent." - Rev. 12:14
The chart also assumes that Christians will disappear off the face of the earth during the Laodicean era and won't face the Tribulation, yet Christ plainly warned that the Laodiceans who fail to repent of their apostasy will be made to experience the Tribulation:
“So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." Rev. 3:16
"“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent." - Rev. 3:19
There is a similar warning in Mal. 3:3(and yes, Malachi was primarily written for the last days):
"He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer to the LORD an offering in righteousness."
This listed trend assumes that the whole Church will be kept safe from the Tribulation, but that is a Romanist assumption that has no biblical support. The promise was made specifically to the Philadelphians in the Laodicean era (Rev. 3:10). The Laodiceans received a warning to repent and accept God's authority over their lives(v.19-20). It make no logical sense to apply the promise in Rev. 3:10 to the Laodiceans when Christ said they despise God's authority over their lives and don't practice the truth.
Dave Watchman
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I didn't think it was interesting. At all. It reminded me of one of those posts from the little red birdie about the rapture being soon. Didn't you say something like: "How is this not spam?
It's like the first point is a Middle East plan to allow a temple to be rebuilt. I wouldn't burn up too much daylight waiting for that.
Like the post is a C and P, or a video link, and then the guy never comes back to talk about it.
But you're right, a good watchman watches in all directions.
And the mood is dire on some of the other forums i look at.
Even the West Texas Intermediate guys are disillusioned.
Oil is going up, but the producers of the product are not going up.
The financial community is looking at the global Covid chart.
And they see trouble on the rise.
SAGE wrote a note about a possible new and deadly variant that could kill 1 in 3.
The CDC page about the "shielding approach", where high-risk individuals would be temporarily relocated to safe or “green zones”.
Biden wanting to mandate vaccinations.
When, or if, this new deadly wave begins, about a third of the population will be removed from their residences during a time of extreme emergency.
Whoever has ears, let them hear.
“If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”
“If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”
Two birdies will be killed with one stone: central bank debt, and the housing crisis.
But wait, we have guns!
So did David Koresh.
They have bigger ones.
He will divide the land for a price.
Those who acknowledge him he shall load with honor.
He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price. ...
He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a price. ...
I say there will not be a crash yet.
Because people are going to be planting and sewing and buying and selling right up until the flood comes and takes them all away.
They won't have a heads up on a stock chart.
The central banks will keep the market pumped up right until like the very day that Lot left out from Sodom.
Look at what the stock guy said yesterday:
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1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate
Sydney, Australia has brought in the military to enforce lockdowns.
US talking about fresh lockdowns.
Market getting ready for sell-off I think in the first half of August or sooner... place your bets!!
Anyone who thinks governments around the world are not directly or indirectly forcing vaccines are blinded by their own ignorance. Remember the virus has a 99.99% survival rate.
There is a take -over happening. The people of the earth have exchanged the truth for a lie. And you will not buy or sell lest you partake of that lie.
Masks now required for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Pfizer suggesting a third shot (so much for vaccines giving you your life back).
Two weeks to slow the spread so hospitals arn't overwhelmed turned into no one can have the virus....
I'm getting ready to sell my profitable positions in BTE and will have to continue to wait to sell the rest.
1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate
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1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate
Sydney, Australia has brought in the military to enforce lockdowns.
US talking about fresh lockdowns.
Market getting ready for sell-off I think in the first half of August or sooner... place your bets!!
Anyone who thinks governments around the world are not directly or indirectly forcing vaccines are blinded by their own ignorance. Remember the virus has a 99.99% survival rate.
There is a take -over happening. The people of the earth have exchanged the truth for a lie. And you will not buy or sell lest you partake of that lie.
Masks now required for both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Pfizer suggesting a third shot (so much for vaccines giving you your life back).
Two weeks to slow the spread so hospitals arn't overwhelmed turned into no one can have the virus....
I'm getting ready to sell my profitable positions in BTE and will have to continue to wait to sell the rest.
1984 Is Here - Despite A 99.99% Survival Rate
Peaceful Sabbath.
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That’s a decent run down of the craziness of the world!
I think, as bible studying people, we all must come to an understanding of how we see eschatological truths playing out. Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not being able to interpret the times, so there is, perhaps, a level of expectation where Christians ought to be aware of international issues and how they might play towards that. I reject ‘newspaper exegesis’, but it seems to me that every generation of believer has ‘believed’ that Jesus would return for them. I think, perhaps, that’s just how we ought to roll. I think we must all be aware, constantly, that his return could be imminent and live our lives accordingly.
As far as my own eschatological belief? I’m Amil. But while I argue for it, I’m not opposed to either being persuaded otherwise…by scripture and it’s thoroughly argued points…or just the assumption that I could be plain wrong. That’s why I do my best to have a thorough understanding of all eschatological views and keep my eye both on God’s word and the happenings around us. The last thing I want to do is miss the clear teaching of scripture or the Spirit by being rutted into a single understanding.
Interesting and concise and onpoint regarding the Big Picture.
Multiply scriptures give knowledge of expectations. Picking any particular verse to parallel to current events, does not negate other applicable verses, or every world event. Authors choice to give a concise parallel....
Quite obvious the waters are swirling world wide, no doubt, about to be sucked down the drain.
A definite "US" and "THEM", is established, and the "THEM" (footsoldiers for satan), like satan know they have but a short time, and every which way (cheating, lying, stealing, mandating, compelling, forcing, silencing, eliminating) are busting their chops to sit at the round table of world power.
Thanks for sharing.
Glory to God,
Taken
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No Erdogan from Turkey a (Muslim) isnt the future (Antichrist/The Beast) as the link in the OP claims
The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)
(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Examples: God Of His Fathers
(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.
(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
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The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected
The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees
All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected
Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Dave Watchman
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I knew you were, I am not, Amil that is. (Not that there's anything wrong with that)
But I am at the top of my ‘newspaper exegesis’ class. I mostly encounter that phrase when talking to the Amils, or the Preterists. I think they default to that particular strategy for the same reason that the people in the first century found it unpalatable to consider that Elijah had already come. They wouldn't have wanted to even consider it.
Jesus didn't seem too worried that they had a clear understanding of it either, He just indicated to them: "if you are willing to accept it.
"For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
That would have been an eye opener for me. Jesus offering up Breaking News. Newspaper exegesis in real time, before the media became mainstream, with Jesus as Editor-in-Chief..
I agree that the prophecy expositors are susceptible to taking current news and events and misapplying them to Scripture. But at some point, possibly right now, the prophecy expositors are going to be in the right prophetic time period at the right time.
Not everything is for everyone though. Some things are hard to confront. Especially at that time when Jesus was speaking to His friends. If John's purpose had failed, it might have been pieced together that the parent's hearts were not being turned to the children. They might in fact be dealing in all probability with Malachi's curse:
"or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.
And if we ought to believe that Jesus is coming soon, that is the way I will roll, until my wheels fall off. I'm also the steward of the date setter's union, but at this point in time, setting a date, even for me, leaves a bad taste in the mouth. It almost seems rude, like having a peek at the Christmas presents the night before. Be silent before the Lord, silent night.
I strongly believe we are much closer to the actual second coming than the majority recognizes.
People should be reading their newspapers more carefully.
And I apologize Naomi, but I can't resist the chance here to post my favourite newspaper clipping:
Lest that day catches them suddenly like a trap.
Peaceful Sabbath.
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I’m not sure its entirely accurate to say that I don’t want ‘to even consider’ regarding current events. I say “newspaper exegesis” and mean by it, forming ones doctrinal beliefs from current events. In other words, using current events in place of a biblical understanding of how things would unfold.
I think, having formed beliefs from scripture, its therefore not wrong or erroneous to carefully consider and weigh those understandings against what we see happening in the world. After all, we cannot divorce ourselves from reality.
While that is undoubtably true, can we honestly say that just because ‘they have to be right at some point’, justifies sensationalising pretty much everything so that their own ministry is relevant?
I mean…no doubt the boy who cried wolf would have been right at some point as well, but that tale informs us of the dangers inherent in jumping the gun.
Granted, that boy was intending on a lark, and I would hope even the most erroneous prophecy watchers are not, but what seems most problematic to me, is that so often what they harp on and stress, from both scripture and news, are things that have happened systematically down through history. This means that the only legitimate point they could make over such events, is that their frequency or severity were increasing. Except, no one knows how very bad these things might get before they reach an ‘eschatological’ significance. Therefore, pointing to them and telling everyone that they are signs of immanency, is, to my mind, very much like the boy who cried wolf.
“Not everything is for everyone”….I’m afraid I’ll have to disagree with this…or at least this in such a general application. IF we agree that scripture represents truth…not just A truth, but absolute truth…then we also must agree that it teaches A truth in regards to Christ’s return. And such a truth would be relevant and important for everyone.
Of course, if we get to specifics, we must acknowledge that not everyone sees what the bible teaches on this as the same, and yes, due to those differences we must allow some grace to one another. But…I still think it is an important enough issue that we must strive always to increase our understanding on the matter and be searching for that truth.
There’s a ‘date setters union’? And, forgive me, how on earth are you steward if you don’t believe in date setting?!
Sometimes its hard to look at the state of the world and wonder how much longer he can tarry. However, I imagine those enduring either world war 1 & 2 might have thought the same thing. In fact, if we read Christian history, we see most significant figures have believed they are in those last of last days themselves. It seems to be a trend for most generations to believe they are living the last. And so, that makes me question our own assumption we might be. I hope for it…long for it, in fact. But, in my honest reading of scripture, I can find no sure answer that we are it.
The restoration of Israel to her land is, I believe, an act of God. However, it seems to me that apart from 2 factors, there is nothing that suggests that their restoration means we ARE in that generation..
And I apologize Naomi, but I can't resist the chance here to post my favourite newspaper clipping:
Lest that day catches them suddenly like a trap.
Peaceful Sabbath.
The first is Matt 24, where Jesus speaks of ‘this generation’. Many have taken that to mean that the generation that sees Israel restored, will also see the return of Christ. However, I question that interpretation of Matt 24.
The other is the clear references to the presence of Israel at the end. I agree that that is most likely to mean that Israel MUST exists at that time, but apart from the Matt 24 inference, we must not arrive at a particular timeframe in which that occurs.
Dave Watchman
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That's what I see the Amils and Preterists do. It might not be you included in the generalization, but they tend to cringe at the topics of an end time Antichrist, mark of the beasts and Armageddon stuff.
I can't see how you can form doctrine from eschatological scripture, without marrying that scripture to the prophetic time periods. In the books of Daniel and Revelation, we were blessed, with 18 prophetic time periods. If we had a way to know that the 1260 days have started, then the two witnesses must be something other than Elijah and Moses.
The founders of the SDA already proved this procedure with their 1798. Without that, it might not have been so easy to find the Ostrogoths, Heruli and Vandals in 538. (Three plucked up by their roots)
Price action makes market commentary, not the other way around. That's all there is to it. It's easy. Trade the chart, don't trade a story. It's the Biblical prophetic time periods that dictate or confirm the doctrine.
Otherwise we fly blind. We need to fly by the instruments. The 18 prophetic time periods are what forces the end time doctrine to be true.
If you are willing to accept it....
I was joking, nvrmnd.
I can.
The answer is sure.
It's not about the restoration of Israel. It's not about the recapture of Jerusalem. It's about the restoration of Jerusalem. The Knesset Jews in January 1969 were just there to hold up the sign for it. They didn't even know the significance of what they were doing. The only place that really specifically sets out the timing for the coming of Messiah is in Daniel 9. From the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, shall be seven weeks. And it happened already. Beautiful orchestration of timing. We have the template to follow.
If what Isaac Newton said in his Daniel 9 commentary, while addressing the enigmatic language of the 7 AND 62 weeks was true, we should be able to find two relatively modern day decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem in the news media. Two witnesses to decide a very important matter. Two witnesses to start and confirm the countdown. Easy.
The cries from these stones are reaching their crescendo.
Happy Lord's Day.
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Great comments, everyone! If you thought this message was controversial, you will love the next one!
Blessings,
Rapture and End Times
Blessings,
Rapture and End Times
Ronald David Bruno
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We are close. Although I see a bit different scenario, many things mentioned in this study are true and happening. It is the interpretation of events that I differ with, not the events.
1. A Middle East peace plan that allows for the Temple to be rebuilt.
I guess this alone would fuel God's anger against Israel. Imagine Jesus, the sacrificial Lamb who takes away the sins of the world, Who dismantles and destroyed their last Temple, now sees them foolishly building another ... that is an abomination in itself that would cause desolation to come upon them.
2. Increasing “birth pains”.
We are in the "beginning of sorrows" period.
3. The invasion of Israel.
It seems imminent. A peace treaty has already begun with several Islamic nations and Israel during the Trump administration. Iran did not aprove of that. But as scripture says, when they say Peace and Safety, sudden destruction comes upon them.
Iran probably already has nukes and they are teaming up with Turkey, Syria, and many other nations (likely 10).
4. The rise of the Beast
Definitely!
5. The rise of the False Prophet
Doubt it is the Pope. What the New World Order/ liberalism seeks is technology, not religion. These ultra-rich rulers are lovers of money and tech. Gates, Soros, are atheists. Science, evolution, population control (already in the works) are their future prospects.
So I think the false prophet would be someone like Gates. Computers are like idols that people worship. They are already slaves to these technologies - staring at it all day long -camping out for the newest iPhone. I can't wait till the whole power grid goes. They won't know what to do with themselves.
6. Global Persecution of Christians
is underway.
7. Increasing Apostasy
The falling away from a weak faith is evident. When the Great Tribulation begins, many will become disillusioned.
8. The Formation of a One-World Government
Lockdowns, masks, vaccines mandated, freedoms disappearing - it's already here.
9. The roll-out of the Mark of the Beast.
Luciferase (invisible tatoo),nano-technology and genetic therapy (vaccine) will be delivered with an easy application, a bandaid with tiny needles. Slap it on your hand and you are good to go - now you can buy and sell ... for awhile until you catch the next Covid and your body cannot fight it and you die.
Doctors and hospitals are reporting in some areas throughout the world that the majority of the Covid/Delta virus patients in hospitals have been fully vaxed. Yet the CDC and media are covering it up. This new spike may be the effects of the genetic therapy that actually alters your DNA . Don't be surprised, these people like Gates want to downsize the population. Look up Eugenics. This country alone has already aborted 15% of the population in the last 47 years.
The world population cannot live at our standard of living and the world's resources can't provide for the models of population growth that are increasing. So they have been working on ways to thwart it for quite some time. If we see hundreds of millions of people die within the next year, you'll know.
10. The Convergence of the Countdowns.
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I’m not sure about the Preterist camp, but theres actually a fair bit of variety within the Amil camp. I suppose there are key things we tend to agree with…like a realised Millennium, but outside of that, I’ve heard great differences in how Amil folks approach things.
For myself, while I’d broadly put myself in the Amil camp, I don’t necessarily agree with all its beliefs, or the beliefs that many Amil’s hold. I’m open to, if not in outright agreement, over issues of the antichrist and Armageddon.
Well, reformed, or covenant theology would point to the various covenants God has worked salvational history through. This time period, which is called by numerous NT writers as ‘end times’ or ‘last days’. Granted, scripture also seems to teach there will be a final period of ‘the end times’, as must everything coming to an end, but I don’t know as I buy into the idea that it must be a period of 7 years.
Not sure what this reference to the SDA means, sorry. You might need to spell it out a little more if you’d like a comment on it.
I happily admit that I know nothing of trading, or how it works, and therefore cannot comment on how it may or may not be adapted to scripture and the interpreting of it.
For the ‘18 time periods’ to force a particular end time doctrine to be true, wouldn’t you need to first prove, irrefutably, that there is 18 time periods?
Ah. Forgive me, but this smacks a little of arrogance. “If you are but humble enough to accept that MY interpretation is true and the only possible interpretation, then you will enlighten yourself.”
I am open to the idea that I might be wrong, and that would therefore mean others could be right. However, without having something shown to me with careful and scriptural evidence, I see no reason to entertain that someone else is right just because they say so.
Again, anyone can say they are sure in their own interpretation. I would submit that if you truly want people to agree with you or be swayed by your surety, you would do better to show with scripture, rather than just your own assertions.
Daniel 9 is remarkable in its timing. But I have never, to this point, recieved an acceptable reason as to why people have felt justified in pushing the last ‘week’ at least 2000 years into the future. The text doesn’t say it, the previous 2 periods were consecutive (the seven, then the 69), without a gap.
If you believe you have that explanation…backed by scripture, I’m happy to listen to it.
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Not only that, you would have to prove, like the SDA did with the 1260 years, that the prophetic time periods have a beginning point in time, and an ending point in time:
538<-------1260------->1798
This is a list of the prophetic time periods from the Books of Daniel and Revelation, compiled by my friend Larry W. I actually think it could be listed as 21 prophetic time periods, with the 7, 62 and last heptad, separated out of the 70 weeks:
1. Time, times and half a time (saints persecuted – Daniel 7:25)
2. 2,300 evenings and mornings (until temple restored – Daniel 8:14)
3. 70 weeks (determined upon the Jews, Messiah crucified – Daniel 9:24,25)
4. Time, times and half a time (when completed, power of the holy people broken – Daniel 12:7)
5. 1,290 days (from the end of the daily to the setting up of the abomination – Daniel 12:11)
6. 1,335 days (blessed is the one who waits for and reaches this day – Daniel 12:12)
7. Half hour of silence (at the opening of the 7th seal – Revelation 8:1)
8. 5 months (length of torture upon those not having the seal of God – Revelation 9:5)
9. Hour, day, month and year (punctiliar event when war begins – Revelation 9:15)
10. 42 months (Gentiles trample holy city – Revelation 11:2)
11. 1,260 days (Two Witnesses empowered for this length of time – Revelation 11:3)
12. 3.5 days (bodies of Two Witnesses lie in the street – Revelation 11:11)
13. 1,260 days (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:6)
14. Time, times and half a time (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:14)
15. 42 months ( beast was allowed to exercise authority – Revelation 13:5)
16. One hour (ten kings join with beast – Revelation 17:12)
17. One day, one hour (Babylon’s destruction begins – Revelation 18:8,19)
18. 1,000 years (Satan in the abyss – Revelation 20:2)
2. 2,300 evenings and mornings (until temple restored – Daniel 8:14)
3. 70 weeks (determined upon the Jews, Messiah crucified – Daniel 9:24,25)
4. Time, times and half a time (when completed, power of the holy people broken – Daniel 12:7)
5. 1,290 days (from the end of the daily to the setting up of the abomination – Daniel 12:11)
6. 1,335 days (blessed is the one who waits for and reaches this day – Daniel 12:12)
7. Half hour of silence (at the opening of the 7th seal – Revelation 8:1)
8. 5 months (length of torture upon those not having the seal of God – Revelation 9:5)
9. Hour, day, month and year (punctiliar event when war begins – Revelation 9:15)
10. 42 months (Gentiles trample holy city – Revelation 11:2)
11. 1,260 days (Two Witnesses empowered for this length of time – Revelation 11:3)
12. 3.5 days (bodies of Two Witnesses lie in the street – Revelation 11:11)
13. 1,260 days (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:6)
14. Time, times and half a time (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:14)
15. 42 months ( beast was allowed to exercise authority – Revelation 13:5)
16. One hour (ten kings join with beast – Revelation 17:12)
17. One day, one hour (Babylon’s destruction begins – Revelation 18:8,19)
18. 1,000 years (Satan in the abyss – Revelation 20:2)
You are right, that was rude.
I actually thought I was talking to the Amils, or the Preterists, and not to a real person named Naomi.
Sorry about that.
I might circle back to this later. It takes a long time. I need to find a way to condense it.
I'm not that sure that I "truly want people to agree with me, or to be swayed by my surety.
The quickest way would be 7 weeks, (49 years), and 62 weeks, (434 years). Finding two new decrees in the modern era to restore Jerusalem, which are set apart at those specific intervals and punctuated at the same point in time as a 1290 day span.
I'm not an actuarial anomalist, but I'm very sure these things are not an accidental random chance anomaly.
Because there are two last weeks. The heptads are playing out again in our "last days", like they did with the Old Time Jews in the first century, the Knesset Jews are playing them out again now along with the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1535.
The "time", (the Daniel 9 time) is fulfilled (again) now, and the Kingdom of God is at hand (again).
areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
company profile - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
"And in January 1969 the Company was established.company profile - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
The Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd. is a fully government-owned company. Ordered into existence by the Knesset. It is not a private company. A decree has to come from a King, a Ruler or a Kingdom. Somebody in Authority.
"The second thing we're gong to do is point out that we found the document in a file from the office of Prime Minster Levi Eshkol, and it was sent to him after a discussion in the Cabinet subcommittee for economic affairs - which indicates that the whole issue was being closely watched by the very top of the government. Most companies don't have the prime minister poking around in their papers.
And so I once considered that the only way that I could be wrong about this is if those Knesset Jews of 1969, who may have known about the 1535 Ottoman decree, were trying to play a practical joke by timing their decree right at the 434 year point.
But taking the events of the 1290 days, and up until today into consideration, I fear Prime Minster Levi Eshkol was looking at that timing like a deer in the headlights. Like Oh my, look at that. That sure is a coincidence.
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The image in the newspaper article from 1969 is that of St Stephen's Gate, which is also called the Lion's Gate. Here is another image of it taken on April 4, 1920:
That's me sitting down at the right. Even though they're about to take my picture, and a riot is about to break out that will last for four days, I don't care. I'm tired of waiting. I'll take my seat outside the sanctuary of God, outside one of the seven open gates of the Old City..
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You are right, there is no gap.
Time marches on.
The text doesn't say it directly, but it's there.
Isaac Newton was in the right ballpark with it.
The Old Time Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks. Remember when Jesus lamented Jerusalem Jerusalem, how He wanted to gather their children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but they were not willing! What if they were willing? What if they did let Jesus gather them as a hen gathers it's chicks?
In that case something different might have happened. A second coming of Messiah might not have been necessary in the same way that it is now. Daniel 9 had to be written in a way that would not only include the primary coming of Messiah, but also include a secondary visitation of Messiah in a compact statement.
Know therefore and understand.
That from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
1535 + 1969 = the last heptad.
Even in troublous times.
Peaceful Sabbath.
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Do you think there could be some cross over in these time periods? For example, we see 1,260 appearing more than once…would you suggest the things happening during this time period could happen together or do you think they must happen separately as you’ve listed them?
To be fair, I used to be fairly straight up Amil. Still lean that way in a lot of things, I suppose. But over the last year I think I’ve become…disenchanted with all end times systems, in a way. Most of them, while having their good points, have their flaws as well. Which is why I think its unwise for people to claim dogmatically that their system is absolutely, factually, true. Well…actually, factually….that other system just picked it to pieces, biblically. And they, in turn, had that point of theirs picked to pieces, biblically.
Anyway…I try to have an open mind on the matter, but if I can’t see it in scripture, I’m not going to swallow it, or the ‘system’.
Yes…Daniel. It’s amazing how many systems rest on the interpretation of Daniel. And you know…I’m not sure I’ve heard an exposit on it that satisfies me yet. Oh, I’ve heard how people shuffle it to fit in with how they need it to be. But I’ve always felt that to be an artificial rendering of the text. All the explanations come from outside the text in order to justify a reading, and that, to me, is not on. The text itself should, in large part, explain or point to, our understanding or interpretation of it.
I’m not entirely following you here, I am sorry. How do you mean ‘there are two last weeks’? Where do you find that in scripture? What makes you focus on the Ottomans an the 1969 war, rather than King Cyrus’ decree as most scholars do?
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That’s you? That is seriously cool. I mean…it must have been a really hard, stressful time, and I admire any who stood firm in it and through it. But surely you must look back at it and say ‘I made history, right there’. Perhaps even fulfilled prophecy. Not many people can say one, let alone the other. And has the “pics to prove it”!.
The image in the newspaper article from 1969 is that of St Stephen's Gate, which is also called the Lion's Gate. Here is another image of it taken on April 4, 1920:
That's me sitting down at the right. Even though they're about to take my picture, and a riot is about to break out that will last for four days, I don't care. I'm tired of waiting. I'll take my seat outside the sanctuary of God, outside one of the seven open gates of the Old City..
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Ah….I’m sorry, but…aren’t you wildly contradicting yourself here? If…”there is no gap” and “the text doesn’t say it”….then how can we know ‘it’s there’?
At the very least, one would expect, or hope, that there would be some bible verses to support that idea. If all one has to support that idea, is the system that would fall apart without it, then I’m afraid it becomes an idea on very weak ground. Wouldn’t you think?
I fully admit I am terrible at maths. Couldn’t ‘maths’ my way out of a paper bag if my life depended upon it.
However…I didn’t understand a word of that…and I’m not entirely sure it was because I’m terrible at maths.
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Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?Not only that, you would have to prove, like the SDA did with the 1260 years, that the prophetic time periods have a beginning point in time, and an ending point in time:
538<-------1260------->1798
This is a list of the prophetic time periods from the Books of Daniel and Revelation, compiled by my friend Larry W. I actually think it could be listed as 21 prophetic time periods, with the 7, 62 and last heptad, separated out of the 70 weeks:
1. Time, times and half a time (saints persecuted – Daniel 7:25)
2. 2,300 evenings and mornings (until temple restored – Daniel 8:14)
3. 70 weeks (determined upon the Jews, Messiah crucified – Daniel 9:24,25)
4. Time, times and half a time (when completed, power of the holy people broken – Daniel 12:7)
5. 1,290 days (from the end of the daily to the setting up of the abomination – Daniel 12:11)
6. 1,335 days (blessed is the one who waits for and reaches this day – Daniel 12:12)
7. Half hour of silence (at the opening of the 7th seal – Revelation 8:1)
8. 5 months (length of torture upon those not having the seal of God – Revelation 9:5)
9. Hour, day, month and year (punctiliar event when war begins – Revelation 9:15)
10. 42 months (Gentiles trample holy city – Revelation 11:2)
11. 1,260 days (Two Witnesses empowered for this length of time – Revelation 11:3)
12. 3.5 days (bodies of Two Witnesses lie in the street – Revelation 11:11)
13. 1,260 days (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:6)
14. Time, times and half a time (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:14)
15. 42 months ( beast was allowed to exercise authority – Revelation 13:5)
16. One hour (ten kings join with beast – Revelation 17:12)
17. One day, one hour (Babylon’s destruction begins – Revelation 18:8,19)
18. 1,000 years (Satan in the abyss – Revelation 20:2)
You are right, that was rude.
I actually thought I was talking to the Amils, or the Preterists, and not to a real person named Naomi.
Sorry about that.
I might circle back to this later. It takes a long time. I need to find a way to condense it.
I'm not that sure that I "truly want people to agree with me, or to be swayed by my surety.
The quickest way would be 7 weeks, (49 years), and 62 weeks, (434 years). Finding two new decrees in the modern era to restore Jerusalem, which are set apart at those specific intervals and punctuated at the same point in time as a 1290 day span.
I'm not an actuarial anomalist, but I'm very sure these things are not an accidental random chance anomaly.
Because there are two last weeks. The heptads are playing out again in our "last days", like they did with the Old Time Jews in the first century, the Knesset Jews are playing them out again now along with the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire in 1535.
The "time", (the Daniel 9 time) is fulfilled (again) now, and the Kingdom of God is at hand (again).
areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem"And in January 1969 the Company was established.
company profile - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
The Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd. is a fully government-owned company. Ordered into existence by the Knesset. It is not a private company. A decree has to come from a King, a Ruler or a Kingdom. Somebody in Authority.
"The second thing we're gong to do is point out that we found the document in a file from the office of Prime Minster Levi Eshkol, and it was sent to him after a discussion in the Cabinet subcommittee for economic affairs - which indicates that the whole issue was being closely watched by the very top of the government. Most companies don't have the prime minister poking around in their papers.
And so I once considered that the only way that I could be wrong about this is if those Knesset Jews of 1969, who may have known about the 1535 Ottoman decree, were trying to play a practical joke by timing their decree right at the 434 year point.
But taking the events of the 1290 days, and up until today into consideration, I fear Prime Minster Levi Eshkol was looking at that timing like a deer in the headlights. Like Oh my, look at that. That sure is a coincidence.
Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four Hundred Ninety Years)
Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.
Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.
Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.
When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.
62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies who stops the building.
The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.
The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.
Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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