Why The Apostles Repeatedly Disobeyed the Risen Lord

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
If you want go by the councils of men, that you admire so much councils of men that put their word before the inspired word of God, that such councils that caused the dark ages and did the most hideous things in the name of Jesus Christ, so you go and put such faith in the councils of men and I'll put faith in the True God Jehovah and his Christ who is the Only-Begotten Son of God. Everything that is necessary for knowing who God is who the Only-Begotten Son of God is and how to get eternal life is written in the scriptures, everything we need to know is in the inspired word of God, and has been written down. 2 Timothy 3:16,17.

That’s the destruction of the “Bible alone” destroys the authority and words of Christ to his church and apostles
Explain
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 16:17-19

Wrangler · Aug 18, 2021

theefaith said:
thats is mediator of justice
Mary Is mediator of grace and mercy
And the apostles of truth and teaching and reconciliation

You are a lost soul, my friend. I will pray for you but not like this ...

In the name of the Father,
And the Mother, mediator of grace and mercy,
And the Son, and the HS.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Aug 18, 2021

theefaith said:
That’s the destruction of the “Bible alone” destroys the authority and words of Christ to his church and apostles
Explain
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Matt 16:17-19

There is no mediator but one, Jesus Christ the Only-Begotten Son of God. He is the only door to God. Jesus Christ told his Apostles and disciples to have no titles, like the Pope has.
The church is founded on Jesus Christ, he is the cornerstone not the apostle Peter, Matthew 16:17-19 does not say that the apostle Peter would be the foundation of the christian congregation (church) or the head of the Christian congregation(church). The Bible shows that rather than Peter having primacy, Jesus was to be the cornerstone of the congregation. The apostle Peter acknowledged that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who was the one the church was founded on and Jesus and was the head of the congregation (church). 1 Peter 2:4-8

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

Wrangler said:
You are a lost soul, my friend. I will pray for you but not like this ...

In the name of the Father,
And the Mother, mediator of grace and mercy,
And the Son, and the HS.

Lk 1:28
Heb 4:16

apostles 2 cor 5:18 / matt 19:28

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
There is no mediator but one, Jesus Christ the Only-Begotten Son of God. He is the only door to God. Jesus Christ told his Apostles and disciples to have no titles, like the Pope has.
The church is founded on Jesus Christ, he is the cornerstone not the apostle Peter, Matthew 16:17-19 does not say that the apostle Peter would be the foundation of the christian congregation (church) or the head of the Christian congregation(church). The Bible shows that rather than Peter having primacy, Jesus was to be the cornerstone of the congregation. The apostle Peter acknowledged that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who was the one the church was founded on and Jesus and was the head of the congregation (church). 1 Peter 2:4-8

Jesus made peter pope Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18

jesus is meditator of justice and shares his ministry 2 cor 5:18 with his apostles even to the point of sharing his judgement Matt 19:28

matt 16:18 keys of jurisdictional authority power to bind and loose
Same as Christ Jn 20:21-23 even the power to forgive sins

rockytopva · Aug 18, 2021

Heresies and denominations are a clear sign the church is out of the Spirit and into the flesh…

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Galatians 5

So… What does it look like when we are in the Spirit?

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. - Galatians 5

And… If a church is in the Spirit your not going to hear about its members molesting little boys!

Catholic priest who admitted molesting boys dies at age 81

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

The union of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin!

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

BARNEY BRIGHT · Aug 18, 2021

theefaith said:
The union of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin!

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

All this means is that people who reason as you do, excuse their conduct. The fact that they're causing Gods inspired word to be evil spoken of because of their behavior doesn't seem to be any concern to you and those like you. All forms of sexual immorality are allowed in the church that you call the true church and it's members who are committing these sexual immoral acts are still considered fine upstanding members.

Wrangler · Aug 18, 2021

theefaith said:
Lk 1:28
Heb 4:16

apostles 2 cor 5:18 / matt 19:28

It’s so funny how your reply consists entirely of referencing verses that don’t support your doctrine.

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
All this means is that people who reason as you do, excuse their conduct. The fact that they're causing Gods inspired word to be evil spoken of because of their behavior doesn't seem to be any concern to you and those like you. All forms of sexual immorality are allowed in the church that you call the true church and it's members who are committing these sexual immoral acts are still considered fine upstanding members.

show me where the holy church teaches any such thing???

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

Wrangler said:
It’s so funny how your reply consists entirely of referencing verses that don’t support your doctrine.

All scripture is inspired

theefaith · Aug 18, 2021

Do the apostles have the ministry of reconciliation?

Wrangler · Aug 18, 2021

theefaith said:
All scripture is inspired

Yes, all scripture is inspired but not to support False RCC doctrine.

theefaith · Aug 19, 2021

Wrangler said:
Yes, all scripture is inspired but not to support False RCC doctrine.

thee faith is revealed by God and cannot change or be reformed

BARNEY BRIGHT · Aug 21, 2021

theefaith said:
Christ is the revelation of the trinity

Jesus Christ never revealed a Trinity doctrine

theefaith · Aug 22, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Jesus Christ never revealed a Trinity doctrine

the divinity of Christ and the trinity are Christian doctrines you cannot be Christian if you reject them!

The son revealed the father

BARNEY BRIGHT · Aug 22, 2021

theefaith said:
the divinity of Christ and the trinity are Christian doctrines you cannot be Christian if you reject them!

The son revealed the father

Just what is meant by the “divinity of Christ”? I have found that there is considerable confusion on the subject, even among those belonging to denominations that are teaching it. As with many other teachings of the Bible, religious leaders have gone to extremes. On the one hand there are those that argue that Jesus Christ never was more than a mere human, and on the other hand the trinitarians argue that he always existed and always was divine. But the biblical truth, is that it lies about halfway between these two extremes. The Word of God shows that the Only Begotten Son of God was at one time, in his prehuman existence, a spirit, that became wholly human in the likeness of the first human Adam when he came or was sent to earth, and that upon his resurrection he became a incorruptible and immortal spiritual being.

The Bible clearly shows that Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence as a glorious spirit, so it is equally unambiguous as to Jesus Christ as being wholly human from his birth until his resurrection from the dead. Thus the apostle John tells us that “the Word became flesh.”(human) Not part flesh(human) and part God, and not merely clothed with flesh, but became or now was flesh.(human) The Only Begotten Son of God came in the likeness of the first human Adam. Likewise the apostle Paul testifies that “God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law.” If he had been part God and part human it could not have been said that he had been “made lower than the angels.” And the apostle Peter states that “Christ also died for sins once for all, he being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” John 1:14; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 3:18

The point is, the Divinity that you speak of, isn't in the scriptures, neither is the Trinity doctrine.

theefaith · Aug 22, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Just what is meant by the “divinity of Christ”? I have found that there is considerable confusion on the subject, even among those belonging to denominations that are teaching it. As with many other teachings of the Bible, religious leaders have gone to extremes. On the one hand there are those that argue that Jesus Christ never was more than a mere human, and on the other hand the trinitarians argue that he always existed and always was divine. But the biblical truth, is that it lies about halfway between these two extremes. The Word of God shows that the Only Begotten Son of God was at one time, in his prehuman existence, a spirit, that became wholly human in the likeness of the first human Adam when he came or was sent to earth, and that upon his resurrection he became a incorruptible and immortal spiritual being.

The Bible clearly shows that Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence as a glorious spirit, so it is equally unambiguous as to Jesus Christ as being wholly human from his birth until his resurrection from the dead. Thus the apostle John tells us that “the Word became flesh.”(human) Not part flesh(human) and part God, and not merely clothed with flesh, but became or now was flesh.(human) The Only Begotten Son of God came in the likeness of the first human Adam. Likewise the apostle Paul testifies that “God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law.” If he had been part God and part human it could not have been said that he had been “made lower than the angels.” And the apostle Peter states that “Christ also died for sins once for all, he being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” John 1:14; Galatians 4:4; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 3:18

The point is, the Divinity that you speak of, isn't in the scriptures, neither is the Trinity doctrine.

yes they are both in scripture Matt 16:18-19

but the “Bible alone” is not and cannot be the rule of faith for Christians

theefaith · Aug 22, 2021

The problem with the “Bible alone”!

You can easily see why the false doctrine of the “Bible alone” causes so many problems and why we can simply ignor creeds, councils, dogma, and decrees of the holy apostles teaching infallibility with the authority of Christ!

“Bible alone” is false doctrine
Negates the word of God, apostolic councils, creeds, cannons, decrees, dogma, and the teaching authority of the apostles!

The false doctrine of “the Bible Alone” is an attack on Christ and His holy church!
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4
To reject the church or church teaching is to reject Christ!

An attack on the holy church and her divine authority!

Even Christ who is the truth itself is excluded!

Scratch these verses that refer to authority other than the “Bible Alone” our of your Bible!

Isa 22:21-22 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 1:32 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 Jn 21:17 Acts 1:17 acts 1:26 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 20:28 eph 2:20 and too many more to mention!

BARNEY BRIGHT · Aug 22, 2021

theefaith said:
yes they are both in scripture Matt 16:18-19

but the “Bible alone” is not and cannot be the rule of faith for Christians

Professor Alberigo says the doctrine of the papacy didn't take root until toward the end of the fourth century, when the Roman church’s claim to an apostolic function, that is, of coordination for the western churches, becomes more insistent.” It was “during the episcopate of Leo I [fifth century],” adds Alberigo, that “the concept of Peter’s ‘princedom’ among the apostles, founded on Mt 16:18,” was developed. One finds in the New Testament no indications by Jesus concerning the successors of Peter or of the other apostles.

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