Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

When Paul speaks about running the race to obtain the Prize, is he talking about the Prize of Salvation, or a prize which is a reward for deeds?

See 1 Cor. 9:24-27. "The prize" being here identified Is a "crown" and is not Salvation. A crown is a reward.

See Phil. 3:12-13 where Paul says he has "not obtained the prize." Is that supposed to mean he has not obtained Salvation? No. It means he has not obtained the reward for Godly service.

People constantly in error confuse Salvation with Discipleship. These people are known as Lordship preachers and Calvinists. We can pray for and help them.

Nancy · Aug 18, 2021

Jared42 said:
When Paul speaks about running the race to obtain the Prize, is he talking about the Prize of Salvation, or a prize which is a reward for deeds?

See 1 Cor. 9:24-27. "The prize" being here identified Is a "crown" and is not Salvation. A crown is a reward.

See Phil. 3:12-13 where Paul says he has "not obtained the prize." Is that supposed to mean he has not obtained Salvation? No. It means he has not obtained the reward for Godly service.

People constantly in error confuse Salvation with Discipleship. These people are known as Lordship preachers and Calvinists. We can pray for and help them.

2 Timothy 4:7 -" I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:"

Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Galatians 6:9
"And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up."

Hi @Jared42 and, welcome to the site. There are a lot of "if's" in scripture. I think, through the above and many more verses, that we must continue to seek His ways until our last breath. Continue in the things taught in the gospel. And that He give us the grace to have the humility to be teachable.

God bless and, hope you will like it here!

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

Nancy said:
2 Timothy 4:7 -" I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:"

Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Galatians 6:9
"And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up."

Hi @Jared42 and, welcome to the site. There are a lot of "if's" in scripture. I think, through the above and many more verses, that we must continue to seek His ways until our last breath. Continue in the things taught in the gospel. And that He give us the grace to have the humility to be teachable.

God bless and, hope you will like it here!

Yes, I agree that is what you think.

However, it is best for Believers to hold to what God thinks, rather than what "seems to make sense" for nice reasons.

dev553344 · Aug 18, 2021

Jared42 said:
When Paul speaks about running the race to obtain the Prize, is he talking about the Prize of Salvation, or a prize which is a reward for deeds?

See 1 Cor. 9:24-27. "The prize" being here identified Is a "crown" and is not Salvation. A crown is a reward.

See Phil. 3:12-13 where Paul says he has "not obtained the prize." Is that supposed to mean he has not obtained Salvation? No. It means he has not obtained the reward for Godly service.

People constantly in error confuse Salvation with Discipleship. These people are known as Lordship preachers and Calvinists. We can pray for and help them.

If someone is forgiven then it is wise for them to sin no more. That means they are saved. But the question then becomes who is forgiven?

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

devin553344 said:
If someone is forgiven then it is wise for them to sin no more. That means they are saved. But the question then becomes who is forgiven?

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

It would be best to look for answers than to focus upon endless questions which are easily answered by the Milk of Gospel.

"Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will he saved." Within Salvation is no guarantee of Discipleship.

dev553344 · Aug 18, 2021

John 5:14
“Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.”

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

devin553344 said:
John 5:14
“Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.”

GISMYS_7 · Aug 18, 2021

Real Christians will Work to Keep Themselfs as Sinless as they can with God's help in Order to please God but know "good works" will not save you lest any boast.

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

The "worse thing" is not loss of eternal life, but is the judgement for sin during this life.

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

GISMYS_7 said:
Real Christians will Work to Keep Themselfs as Sinless as they can with God's help in Order to please God but know "good works" will not save you lest any boast.

Real Christians cannot find increased favor with God by being obedient. By the Cross and resurrection, Jesus has provided irrefutably maximum favor with God the Father. Maximum favor cannot be added unto.

marks · Aug 18, 2021

Jared42 said:
Within Salvation is no guarantee of Discipleship.

Actually, there is,

Hebrews 12:5-7 KJV
5) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

This word "chastening", is from a word that means to train as one trains a child, to discipline, or to make one a disciple, instilling discipline in the person.

"And afterward, the peaceable fruits of righteousness".

God promises to train us as needed, and declares this training will in fact accomplish it's intended purpose. Such a comfort!!

Much love!

dev553344 · Aug 18, 2021

GISMYS_7 said:
Real Christians will Work to Keep Themselfs as Sinless as they can with God's help in Order to please God but know "good works" will not save you lest any boast.

For those that have been forgiven, it is required that they remain without sin, lest Christ has to save them again:

Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Wynona · Aug 18, 2021

Jared42 said:
Real Christians cannot find increased favor with God by being obedient. By the Cross and resurrection, Jesus has provided irrefutably maximum favor with God the Father. Maximum favor cannot be added unto.

This is just untrue.

Matthew 7:21
King James Version

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Nancy · Aug 18, 2021

Jared42 said:
Yes, I agree that is what you think.

However, it is best for Believers to hold to what God thinks, rather than what "seems to make sense" for nice reasons.

Well, my post was pretty much large majority of scripture, not opinion.
I wish you well on here.

Jared42 · Aug 18, 2021

Nancy said:
Well, my post was pretty much large majority of scripture, not opinion.
I wish you well on here.

Only through the gender specific notions that "everything is related to everything," and that people should be able to read your mind.

Taken · Aug 18, 2021

Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?
OP ^

* No human man is sinless.

* Salvation ONCE RECEIVED, by a man, is Kept By the Power of God.

* Works of a man IN Christ, Are expressly intended to Glorify God, and shall be rewarded By God.

* Works of a man "still under the Law", that Glorify God, shall be rewarded By God.

* All works that do not Glorify God, are burned.

* No mans works Save him, or Keep him Saved.

Glory to God,
Taken

dev553344 · Aug 18, 2021

Taken said:
Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?
OP ^

* No human man is sinless.

* Salvation ONCE RECEIVED, by a man, is Kept By the Power of God.

* Works of a man IN Christ, Are expressly intended to Glorify God, and shall be rewarded By God.

* Works of a man "still under the Law", that Glorify God, shall be rewarded By God.

* All works that do not Glorify God, are burned.

* No mans works Save him, or Keep him Saved.

Glory to God,
Taken

He who is forgiven of God can walk in salvation according to scripture:

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

Taken · Aug 18, 2021

devin553344 said:
He who is forgiven of God can walk in salvation according to scripture:

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

Agree...
People are not naturally born of God.
It is once they become born of God...they can NO LONGER sin.
From natural birth to becoming born of God...
They SIN...and that SIN is Forgiven, Covered, Remembered no more....but the body is not Sinless, until it is risen in uncorruption.

Glory to God,
Taken

Wynona · Aug 18, 2021

Ok, so my wife handed me her phone to try and make some sense of what youre talking about. I have to say in having a hard time dissecting some of it myself. You seem to want to make it a gender issue, but doctrine is not gender specific. Nor are the verses in question. So some clarification is needed. What is it about Nancy's verses do you refute? Because i agree with their interpretation of them.

---Wynona's husband

Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

Member

Well-Known Member

Member

Well-Known Member

Member

Member

Well-Known Member

Member

Well-Known Member

Member

Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads