Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

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As you have feasted upon the Vine, what have you attained from Him? Anything beyond what is shown in Scripture?
Fruit. That's the natural result unless one is attached to the wrong vine. But I'm always uncomfortable boasting. However, my testimony I am not shy to share as you suggest, it is all Christ's work in us, not our own doing right?
 

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Fruit. That's the natural result unless one is attached to the wrong vine. But I'm always uncomfortable boasting. However, my testimony I am not shy to share as you suggest, it is all Christ's work in us, not our own doing right?
 

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Actually, in all my reading of scripture I have come across only one line of thought that prevents salvation. Loss of faith. Unbelief.
Ok, Backlit, listen up! LOL. I agree 100% I doubt if you can lose your salvation.
The problem....kindly....is that you are not considering the fact that saved Christians will stand before Christ on Judgment Day.
I have explained this several times...
The Calvinists think that Judgment Day occurred before creation...judged to heaven or hell then.
The OSAS crowd thinks that Judgement Day is the day you are saved...and being saved means you go to heaven no matter what you do. The saved card is the license to sin. You know that on Judgment Day that every word spoken and every deed will be judged by Christ. And it will be a surprise to some that they end up in hell. Christ will not just be a crossing guard for all the Christians marching to heaven.
Go look up the scriptures for what will be judged on Judgment Day.
Or find a scripture that says Christians will not be judged and instead just march into heaven. You find that, let me know.
The day of salvation is not Judgment Day.
To you Backlit, a real Christian, I say, be good and do good so you and I can high five at the banquet table in heaven.
 

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Ok, Backlit, listen up! LOL. I agree 100% I doubt if you can lose your salvation.
The problem....kindly....is that you are not considering the fact that saved Christians will stand before Christ on Judgment Day.
I have explained this several times...
The Calvinists think that Judgment Day occurred before creation...judged to heaven or hell then.
The OSAS crowd thinks that Judgement Day is the day you are saved...and being saved means you go to heaven no matter what you do. The saved card is the license to sin. You know that on Judgment Day that every word spoken and every deed will be judged by Christ. And it will be a surprise to some that they end up in hell. Christ will not just be a crossing guard for all the Christians marching to heaven.
Go look up the scriptures for what will be judged on Judgment Day.
Or find a scripture that says Christians will not be judged and instead just march into heaven. You find that, let me know.
The day of salvation is not Judgment Day.
To you Backlit, a real Christian, I say, be good and do good so you and I can high five at the banquet table in heaven.
Bro, I agree with you except in one small minute detail. When the apostle said all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, remember also the he said judgement begins in the house of God. Remember also that when Jesus returns, only the saved are resurrected and translated, therefore whatever judgement was to be made by God regarding our salvation, must takes place before Christ returns. In other words, for those still living and yet to be born, that judgement is taking place now.
 

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Bro, I agree with you except in one small minute detail. When the apostle said all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ, remember also the he said judgement begins in the house of God. Remember also that when Jesus returns, only the saved are resurrected and translated, therefore whatever judgement was to be made by God regarding our salvation, must takes place before Christ returns. In other words, for those still living and yet to be born, that judgement is taking place now.
Now we have some meat to discuss....sink our teeth in. Gooood.
God knows everything so, is He judging as we go? Something to discuss.
We can get into the scriptures that use the word "everyone" everyone will stand before Christ and every word and every deed will be held into account.
It is an important point...You do not want to get into, "I'm a Christian and I can sin all I want and heaven is guaranteed!" I know, people love guarantees! But they do not exist in any reality, physical or spiritual. Christ died for our sins and can forgive us for our sins...but please do not think He is fool...and heaven will not be full of evil...saved or not.
 
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Ok, Backlit, listen up! LOL. I agree 100% I doubt if you can lose your salvation.
The problem....kindly....is that you are not considering the fact that saved Christians will stand before Christ on Judgment Day.
I have explained this several times...
The Calvinists think that Judgment Day occurred before creation...judged to heaven or hell then.
The OSAS crowd thinks that Judgement Day is the day you are saved...and being saved means you go to heaven no matter what you do. The saved card is the license to sin. You know that on Judgment Day that every word spoken and every deed will be judged by Christ. And it will be a surprise to some that they end up in hell. Christ will not just be a crossing guard for all the Christians marching to heaven.
Go look up the scriptures for what will be judged on Judgment Day.
Or find a scripture that says Christians will not be judged and instead just march into heaven. You find that, let me know.
The day of salvation is not Judgment Day.
To you Backlit, a real Christian, I say, be good and do good so you and I can high five at the banquet table in heaven.


God promised me that if I would Turn to Him ( the only type of Repentance that plays a part in Salvation) and put my Trust in His Son, Jesus to Save me.......He would “Save me to the UTTERMOST”....... that’s why I don’t worry about any of this stuff....I actually BELIEVE ,and more importantly, REST in the Truth of Paul’ s Gospel , Given to Him by Jesus......that part that says “ Jesus died for my sins” ......

Faith is Trusting That God will keep His Word.....I have done “ my “ part —— I “ Turned to Him”....orcin other words, I Repented...... Now it is up to God to do “ HIS” part, which is to “ Save me to the UTTERMOST .....Maybe I am a Fool, but I think God will do what He said.....the “ monkey is on HIS back” to Save me forever —— to put it rather crudely....

I am the True “ Chief Of Sinners” ( step aside, Paul! )my Performance really sucks......I am “ VERY” Unreligious, and I make it a Point to be that way .....Religion is the opposite of Christianity......Religion says “ DO” , while Christianity says “ DONE”.....

My Theology comes from two songs —- “ Nothing But The Blood” and “ Nothing of myself I bring, its only to the Cross I cling”.......

Like I said, the Onus for Salvation is on God’s Shoulders now......I Trust Him to pull through....without a doubt.I am Saved .Two things and two things ONLY did it.....#1 The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ. #2 My Faith in #1

All these “ conditions” and “qualifications” and “ demands” that you guys attach to Salvation? ( it’s supposed to be a GIFT, remember? NOT a Trade) Anything That God Demands , God provides.....

We have to persevere , but who is it that perseveres? “It is He That Believes That Jesus is the Son Of God” .....I ain’t got much going for me, but I got “THAT”—-and “THAT” is Enough. How about you? God bless.....
 

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When Paul speaks about running the race to obtain the Prize, is he talking about the Prize of Salvation, or a prize which is a reward for deeds?

See 1 Cor. 9:24-27. "The prize" being here identified Is a "crown" and is not Salvation. A crown is a reward.

See Phil. 3:12-13 where Paul says he has "not obtained the prize." Is that supposed to mean he has not obtained Salvation? No. It means he has not obtained the reward for Godly service.

People constantly in error confuse Salvation with Discipleship. These people are known as Lordship preachers and Calvinists. We can pray for and help them.

These scriptures in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 are likening our quest for eternal life to a race. By using runners and boxers in this race for eternal life, Paul taught the importance of exercising self-control, efficiency, and endurance. Paul was also urging anointed Christians who were in this race for eternal life to strive for something far better than a perishable wreath but instead to strive for the incorruptible crown of immortal life. To win this race Christians must keep their eyes on the prize.
 

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These scriptures in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 are likening our quest for eternal life to a race. By using runners and boxers in this race for eternal life, Paul taught the importance of exercising self-control, efficiency, and endurance. Paul was also urging anointed Christians who were in this race for eternal life to strive for something far better than a perishable wreath but instead to strive for the incorruptible crown of immortal life. To win this race Christians must keep their eyes on the prize.
 

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I am so glad you brought this up. Salvation is a gift from God, not the reward for "racing."

Nothing more needs to be said if this is not understood.
 

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I am so glad you brought this up. Salvation is a gift from God, not the reward for "racing."

Nothing more needs to be said if this is not understood.

I find it interesting that God inspired Paul to use the illustration of a runner in a contest. Paul discussed his own prospects for salvation. In the preceding verses, he described how he had worked hard and exerted himself in many ways. (1 Corinthians 9:19-22) Then, in 1Corinthians 9:23, he said: “But I do all things for the sake of the good news, that I may become a sharer of it with others.” He realized that his salvation was not guaranteed just because he was chosen to be an apostle or because he had spent many years preaching to others. In order to share in the blessings of the good news, he must continue to do everything within his power for the sake of the good news. He must run with full intention of winning, exerting himself just as hard as if he were running in a footrace in a athletic contest, where “only one receives the prize.” 1Corinthians 9:24
 

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I find it interesting that God inspired Paul to use the illustration of a runner in a contest. Paul discussed his own prospects for salvation. In the preceding verses, he described how he had worked hard and exerted himself in many ways. (1 Corinthians 9:19-22) Then, in 1Corinthians 9:23, he said: “But I do all things for the sake of the good news, that I may become a sharer of it with others.” He realized that his salvation was not guaranteed just because he was chosen to be an apostle or because he had spent many years preaching to others. In order to share in the blessings of the good news, he must continue to do everything within his power for the sake of the good news. He must run with full intention of winning, exerting himself just as hard as if he were running in a footrace in a athletic contest, where “only one receives the prize.” 1Corinthians 9:24
What leads you to think Paul is talking about Salvation in this passage?
 

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He realized that his salvation was not guaranteed just because he was chosen to be an apostle or because he had spent many years preaching to others. In order to share in the blessings of the good news, he must continue to do everything within his power for the sake of the good news.

You do understand that salvation and reward are two totally different and decoupled things don't you?
 

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Ok, Backlit, listen up! LOL. I agree 100% I doubt if you can lose your salvation.
The problem....kindly....is that you are not considering the fact that saved Christians will stand before Christ on Judgment Day.
I have explained this several times...
The Calvinists think that Judgment Day occurred before creation...judged to heaven or hell then.
The OSAS crowd thinks that Judgement Day is the day you are saved...and being saved means you go to heaven no matter what you do. The saved card is the license to sin. You know that on Judgment Day that every word spoken and every deed will be judged by Christ. And it will be a surprise to some that they end up in hell. Christ will not just be a crossing guard for all the Christians marching to heaven.
Go look up the scriptures for what will be judged on Judgment Day.
Or find a scripture that says Christians will not be judged and instead just march into heaven. You find that, let me know.
The day of salvation is not Judgment Day.
To you Backlit, a real Christian, I say, be good and do good so you and I can high five at the banquet table in heaven.
No place in Scripture shows Believers standing in judgement for their Salvation.
 

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God promised me that if I would Turn to Him ( the only type of Repentance that plays a part in Salvation) and put my Trust in His Son, Jesus to Save me.......He would “Save me to the UTTERMOST”....... that’s why I don’t worry about any of this stuff....I actually BELIEVE ,and more importantly, REST in the Truth of Paul’ s Gospel , Given to Him by Jesus......that part that says “ Jesus died for my sins” ......

Faith is Trusting That God will keep His Word.....I have done “ my “ part —— I “ Turned to Him”....orcin other words, I Repented...... Now it is up to God to do “ HIS” part, which is to “ Save me to the UTTERMOST .....Maybe I am a Fool, but I think God will do what He said.....the “ monkey is on HIS back” to Save me forever —— to put it rather crudely....

I am the True “ Chief Of Sinners” ( step aside, Paul! )my Performance really sucks......I am “ VERY” Unreligious, and I make it a Point to be that way .....Religion is the opposite of Christianity......Religion says “ DO” , while Christianity says “ DONE”.....

My Theology comes from two songs —- “ Nothing But The Blood” and “ Nothing of myself I bring, its only to the Cross I cling”.......

Like I said, the Onus for Salvation is on God’s Shoulders now......I Trust Him to pull through....without a doubt.I am Saved .Two things and two things ONLY did it.....#1 The Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ. #2 My Faith in #1

All these “ conditions” and “qualifications” and “ demands” that you guys attach to Salvation? ( it’s supposed to be a GIFT, remember? NOT a Trade) Anything That God Demands , God provides.....

We have to persevere , but who is it that perseveres? “It is He That Believes That Jesus is the Son Of God” .....I ain’t got much going for me, but I got “THAT”—-and “THAT” is Enough. How about you? God bless.....
I'm not disagreeing with your premise, that faith is all that is required. I do have a question however. What is your faith, or your belief in God, accomplishing for God? Because it isn't all about you, and I'm sure you understand that. So what else, apart from your salvation, is your faith in God doing?
 

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Must a Christian Work to Keep Themself Sinless in Order to Keep Their Salvation?

Who is the Christian?

Is he not him who is in Christ and is he not him in whom Christ is in?

Is he not a sheep whose Shepherd is Jesus Christ, who not only feeds him but keep him?


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Really? So what do you think the division between the sheep and the goats is all about, and when does that take place?

Symbolically its very simple and obvious. They both co mingle but "sheep" represent the charge of the shepherd and goats represent those who do not surrender their will ( specifically in scriptural context, those who do not submit to the shepherd)

Several examples are given- each focusing on a specific attribute

All take place during judgement

None of this has any bearing or standing on the question of a "believer" ( defined as one who is written in the book of life) facing any kind of judgement ( defined as sentence given by a court against a law) because Believers do not face the white throne.

That should not be confused or viewed as synonymous with the believers "reward" ( payment for services rendered) which would be more correctly describes as an "performance review".
 

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When Paul speaks about running the race to obtain the Prize, is he talking about the Prize of Salvation, or a prize which is a reward for deeds?

See 1 Cor. 9:24-27. "The prize" being here identified Is a "crown" and is not Salvation. A crown is a reward.

See Phil. 3:12-13 where Paul says he has "not obtained the prize." Is that supposed to mean he has not obtained Salvation? No. It means he has not obtained the reward for Godly service.

People constantly in error confuse Salvation with Discipleship. These people are known as Lordship preachers and Calvinists. We can pray for and help them.
Only Jesus was and is sinless anyone who claims otherwise is a liar according to 1 John 1:8-10.
 
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The OSAS crowd thinks that Judgement Day is the day you are saved...and being saved means you go to heaven no matter what you do. The saved card is the license to sin.
This is a terrible LIE told by you for months and months within these forums.... JUST saying.... If you are going to make a claim... Have the decency to make it ACCURATE.
 
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