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Jerusalem Is "The Great City" Where Jesus Christ Was Crucified, Read And Heed

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Sorry for the delayed response. I have spent the last 8 days getting my aortic valve replaced.

Jewrusalm may be that great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, but it is no that great city called Babylon the great for the same reason I gave you.
 

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Sorry for the delayed response. I have spent the last 8 days getting my aortic valve replaced.

Jewrusalm may be that great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, but it is no that great city called Babylon the great for the same reason I gave you.
Hope all is well Ron, 8 days and your back in action "Wow"!

I disagree with your claim however, Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlot's as previously shown

Glad to see you up and writing, amazing where medicine is today, you would have been in the hospital for a month 40 years ago

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Hope all is well Ron, 8 days and your back in action "Wow"!

I disagree with your claim however, Jerusalem is Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlot's as previously shown

Glad to see you up and writing, amazing where medicine is today, you would have been in the hospital for a month 40 years ago

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord


On the mend. It is amazing what doctors can do now! Instead of open heart surgery, they inserted the new valve through my femoral artery in the groin, threaded it up and placed it where my faulty valve was! Has great opprotunities to share the Lord with many believers there and also share the gospel with at least 6 people who do not know our Lord.

but as for Mystery Babylon being Jerusalem it simply cannot be. Here is why:

1. Yes Jerusalem is guilty of many abominations.

2. It is not the mother of all harlots and abominations (these would be spiritual abominations)
Rev. 17:
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Remember, in order for Jerusalem, even at its most wicked, to fulfill this, it must meet all the things said about it!

Jerusalem is not the mother of harlots. Harlots in biblical symbolism is a false religious system. Jerusalem never birthed all sorts of false religions! They may have succumbed from time to time to harlot religious systems, but never created them.


3. Babylon the city, under Nimrod, did give birth to false religion and almost all false religious systems can trace their roots back in some measure or fashion to the mystery religions that were birthed in the original Babylon.

4. the city babylon has been rebuilt!

5. I fully expect it when the one world govt. and then the 10 kings and then the antiochirist come to rule to become the center of commerce and the "vatican" for the one world religious system.

Also if you read the end of 17 and Chapter 18, Jerusalem has to become a super city which it is not even close to. Even the antichrists' doesn't move his capitol to Jerusalem until the mid point of the 70th week of Daniel .

While jerusalem has been guilty before God of many sins, God. has said it always will be His city..
 

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On the mend. It is amazing what doctors can do now! Instead of open heart surgery, they inserted the new valve through my femoral artery in the groin, threaded it up and placed it where my faulty valve was! Has great opprotunities to share the Lord with many believers there and also share the gospel with at least 6 people who do not know our Lord.

but as for Mystery Babylon being Jerusalem it simply cannot be. Here is why:

1. Yes Jerusalem is guilty of many abominations.

2. It is not the mother of all harlots and abominations (these would be spiritual abominations)
Rev. 17:
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Remember, in order for Jerusalem, even at its most wicked, to fulfill this, it must meet all the things said about it!

Jerusalem is not the mother of harlots. Harlots in biblical symbolism is a false religious system. Jerusalem never birthed all sorts of false religions! They may have succumbed from time to time to harlot religious systems, but never created them.


3. Babylon the city, under Nimrod, did give birth to false religion and almost all false religious systems can trace their roots back in some measure or fashion to the mystery religions that were birthed in the original Babylon.

4. the city babylon has been rebuilt!

5. I fully expect it when the one world govt. and then the 10 kings and then the antiochirist come to rule to become the center of commerce and the "vatican" for the one world religious system.

Also if you read the end of 17 and Chapter 18, Jerusalem has to become a super city which it is not even close to. Even the antichrists' doesn't move his capitol to Jerusalem until the mid point of the 70th week of Daniel .

While jerusalem has been guilty before God of many sins, God. has said it always will be His city..
Replaced your valve through the femoral artery, hard to believe "Amazing"!

Glad to hear your on the mend and posting, we will disagree on Mystery Babylon, as I have posted my opinion

The Best, Jesus Is Lord
 

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Malachi 4:v.1-2

1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the Day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.


THE SUN

The Sun of righteousness is the Greater Light sent by the Most High GOD in the fourth Day or fourth millennium. The Sun of righteousness, i.e. the Greater Light, he said: John 8:v.12 to 16

12 I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. (in the fourth Day)


THE MOON

The MOON is the Lesser Light. He, the Lesser Light, doesn't have its own light like JESUS does, so he needs to receive from the light of the Sun of righteousness, the Greater Light, to reflect his light in the world. John 16:v.12 to 15

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he -the Lesser Light-, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself (he has not its own light as JESUS has); but
whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


THE WOMAN - Revelation 12:v.1

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the Sun-the Greater Light-, and the Moon-the Lesser Light- under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:


TWELVE STARS - twelve apostles

Matthew 19:v.27-28
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, Judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1 John 5:v.7

There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.


The woman, true Church of the Lord, the body of Christ, are really clothed with the Sun, the Greater Light, and the Moon, the Lesser Light, is under her feet, surely, and she is crowned with a crown of twelve stars.

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Even though they continue to ignore you, you are correct, for The Lord has hidden these things from the wise and revealed these things to babes. The woman clothed with the sun is truly The True Bride. Those that are truly born from above. The twelve stars are from the foundation laid by the 12 Apostles, The man Child is The Holy Spirit(The Father and The Son(Jesus) who will rule with a rod of Iron. To be called up to heaven happens when walks in The Spirit.(seated in heavenly places) It is then that The Words flow out of the belly like a river. And they are Perfect as He is Perfect. The great red dragon(the devil) was cast down to the earth long ago, as The Lord Jesus has already bore witness to. So as you sit far away, and watch what is happening here, do not be surprised, nor be dismayed, as this is what happens when a nation turns it's back on The Lord. Until a cry of repentance is heard in the land things will get worse.Whom, will He teach knowledge, and to whom will He explain the message?
 

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Blessings in Christ Jesus. Even though they continue to ignore you, you are correct, for The Lord has hidden these things from the wise and revealed these things to babes. The woman clothed with the sun is truly The True Bride. Those that are truly born from above. The twelve stars are from the foundation laid by the 12 Apostles, The man Child is The Holy Spirit(The Father and The Son(Jesus) who will rule with a rod of Iron. To be called up to heaven happens when walks in The Spirit.(seated in heavenly places) It is then that The Words flow out of the belly like a river. And they are Perfect as He is Perfect. The great red dragon(the devil) was cast down to the earth long ago, as The Lord Jesus has already bore witness to. So as you sit far away, and watch what is happening here, do not be surprised, nor be dismayed, as this is what happens when a nation turns it's back on The Lord. Until a cry of repentance is heard in the land things will get worse.Whom, will He teach knowledge, and to whom will He explain the message?


Greetings in Christ Jesus

Amen. Reading your post I remember of 1 Corinthians 2:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen
 
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Only the "Remnant Elect" are chosen and called, the rest of the Jews are "Blinded"

Romans 11:6--8KJV
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Which does t change the fact even one iota that gentile believers are grafted onto the Israel olive tree, or the fact that God opened salvation up to the gentiles to make the unbelieving Israelites jealous.

Nor the fact that all Israel living at the time Jesus returns, will believe and be saved.

Plus the unbelieving Jews blinded themselves by resisting the Holy Spirit - God didn’t blind them.
 

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Nor the fact that all Israel living at the time Jesus returns, will believe and be saved.

Plus the unbelieving Jews blinded themselves by resisting the Holy Spirit - God didn’t blind them.
Only the "Remnant Elect" are chosen and saved, the rest of the Jews are "Blinded"

Romans 11:6--8KJV
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
 

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Only the "Remnant Elect" are chosen and saved, the rest of the Jews are "Blinded"

Romans 11:6--8KJV
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Keep quoting that.

After you quote it a zillion times, maybe it will magically cancel out all Israel being saved when Jesus the deliverer comes out of Zion, but I doubt it.
 

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What prevails is the Word of GOD. Is it written in he Bible? It will fulfill LITERALLY - THE WORD IS GOD.

Romans 2:v.5 to 29
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law(the Gentiles) shall also PERISH without law: and as many as have sinned in the law(the Jews) shall be JUDGED by the law.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)


16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you(the Jews), as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Romans 9:v.6-8:
- 6 They are not, ALL Israel, which are of Israel:
- 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children (children of Abraham):
- 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: (If are not sons of God, which father are they from? Will they be children of Devil? )

John 8:v.39-44:

39 - The Jews said unto JESUS: Abraham is our FATHER. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...

41 - The Jews said to JESUS: We be not born of fornication; we have one FATHER even GOD.

42 - Jesus said unto the Jews, If GOD were your FATHER, ye would love me: 43 - Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 - Ye are of your FATHER the Devil, ... 45 - And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Matthew 23:v.33 Ye serpents (serpents are sons of the Devil, the Old Serpent), ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Revelation 2:v.9 - 9 ...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:v. 9 - 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

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...Nor the fact that all Israel living at the time Jesus returns, will believe and be saved.
Plus the unbelieving Jews blinded themselves by resisting the Holy Spirit - God didn’t blind them.

John 8:v.39-44:
39 - The Jews said unto JESUS: Abraham is our FATHER. Jesus saith unto them, If (If?)ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...


In fact, the Jews killed JESUS by crucifying Him on the tree, and now they will kill the two witnesses sent by GOD to preach His righteous Judgments.

Revelation 11:v.8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city(Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jeremiah 11:v.1 to 10
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this Covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.

6 Then the Lord said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and do them.

7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.

8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this Covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not.

9 And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my Covenant which I made with their fathers.
 

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On the mend. It is amazing what doctors can do now! Instead of open heart surgery, they inserted the new valve through my femoral artery in the groin, threaded it up and placed it where my faulty valve was! Has great opprotunities to share the Lord with many believers there and also share the gospel with at least 6 people who do not know our Lord.

but as for Mystery Babylon being Jerusalem it simply cannot be. Here is why:

1. Yes Jerusalem is guilty of many abominations.

2. It is not the mother of all harlots and abominations (these would be spiritual abominations)
Rev. 17:
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Remember, in order for Jerusalem, even at its most wicked, to fulfill this, it must meet all the things said about it!

Jerusalem is not the mother of harlots. Harlots in biblical symbolism is a false religious system. Jerusalem never birthed all sorts of false religions! They may have succumbed from time to time to harlot religious systems, but never created them.


3. Babylon the city, under Nimrod, did give birth to false religion and almost all false religious systems can trace their roots back in some measure or fashion to the mystery religions that were birthed in the original Babylon.

4. the city babylon has been rebuilt!

5. I fully expect it when the one world govt. and then the 10 kings and then the antiochirist come to rule to become the center of commerce and the "vatican" for the one world religious system.

Also if you read the end of 17 and Chapter 18, Jerusalem has to become a super city which it is not even close to. Even the antichrists' doesn't move his capitol to Jerusalem until the mid point of the 70th week of Daniel .

While jerusalem has been guilty before God of many sins, God. has said it always will be His city..
How did they remove the faulty valve .
 

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How did they remove the faulty valve .


They didn't. they took a stent with a new valve, pushed the old faulty valve fully up and out of th eway, installed the stent with the new valve and away I went.

My valve was severely calcified (stenosis) any value below one is considered cause for surgery. my valve was .87 The tavr(transcatheter aortic valve replacement) is only six years old, and I am glad I was able to get that instead of open heart surgery.
 

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They didn't. they took a stent with a new valve, pushed the old faulty valve fully up and out of th eway, installed the stent with the new valve and away I went.

My valve was severely calcified (stenosis) any value below one is considered cause for surgery. my valve was .87 The tavr(transcatheter aortic valve replacement) is only six years old, and I am glad I was able to get that instead of open heart surgery.
calicified . That sounds like years of inflamation . Do you have a auto immune disorder . Like RA or etc .or hyper inflamation .
Did you get the vaccine .
 

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John 8:v.39-44:
39 - The Jews said unto JESUS: Abraham is our FATHER. Jesus saith unto them, If (If?)ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...


In fact, the Jews killed JESUS by crucifying Him on the tree, and now they will kill the two witnesses sent by GOD to preach His righteous Judgments.

Revelation 11:v.8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city(Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jeremiah 11:v.1 to 10
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this Covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.

6 Then the Lord said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and do them.

7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.

8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this Covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not.

9 And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my Covenant which I made with their fathers.


Stephen made clear they rejected their own savior who came for them, and killed Him, because they resist the Holy Spirit - they blinded themselves.

You can condemn Israel all you want.

Paul made clear God has not cast out His people, and that all Israel alive to see Jesus return, will be saved.

We already know most of them are currently ungodly - that’s exactly what Romans 11 says - yet also says ALL Israel alive at His coming, will be saved.
 

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They didn't. they took a stent with a new valve, pushed the old faulty valve fully up and out of th eway, installed the stent with the new valve and away I went.

My valve was severely calcified (stenosis) any value below one is considered cause for surgery. my valve was .87 The tavr(transcatheter aortic valve replacement) is only six years old, and I am glad I was able to get that instead of open heart surgery.
Ron the valve was inside the stent, that was placed inside the existing valve?

What was the diameter of the stent, not to big for the groin artery to the heart?
 

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John 8:v.39-44:
39 - The Jews said unto JESUS: Abraham is our FATHER. Jesus saith unto them, If (If?)ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...


In fact, the Jews killed JESUS by crucifying Him on the tree, and now they will kill the two witnesses sent by GOD to preach His righteous Judgments.

Revelation 11:v.8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city(Jerusalem), which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jeremiah 11:v.1 to 10
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying,

2 Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this Covenant,

4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:

5 That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord.

6 Then the Lord said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this Covenant, and do them.

7 For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.

8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this Covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not.

9 And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my Covenant which I made with their fathers.
The antichrist kills the two witnesses.

BTW in case you missed it, the new covenant Jesus gave us is again with the HOUSE of Israel, and the HIUSE of Judah - which is why gentile believers are the wild olive branches grafted in among the natural branches, onto the Israel olive tree, in which the roots are Jesus Christ.

Now you know why Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.

That and because God gave salvation to the gentiles to make Israel jealous p.

You truly have much left to learn, including unlearning replacement theology.

Shalom Aleichem
 

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The antichrist kills the two witnesses.

BTW in case you missed it, the new covenant Jesus gave us is again with the HOUSE of Israel, and the HOUSE of Judah - which is why gentile believers are the wild olive branches grafted in among the natural branches, onto the Israel olive tree, in which the roots are Jesus Christ.

Now you know why Jesus said salvation is of the Jews.

That and because God gave salvation to the gentiles to make Israel jealous p.

You truly have much left to learn, including unlearning replacement theology.

Shalom Aleichem
Slight correction on who kills the 2 witnesses.

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

The only reference to beasts coming out of the pit are the locust. They cannot kill any one, not even the 144k. The 144k cannot be the church. The 2 witnesses cannot be the church.

In all of Revelation the only two specific humans killed by this beast, are the 2 witnesses.

The AC does not ascend out of the pit, at least we are not told that. Unless the pit is just symbolism? But then again, symbolism that is restricted, is still a restriction.

Satan is only allowed to kill those who do not worship him. Even those who take the mark, do not take it in forced worship. One can have the mark, and still not be willing to worship Satan. They just want to be a part of getting food and other needs to survive. Satan can still kill those with the mark, if they refuse to worship him.
 

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Ron the valve was inside the stent, that was placed inside the existing valve?

What was the diameter of the stent, not to big for the groin artery to the heart?


From what I understand the valve was on top of the stent. the stent is collapsible. like one of those Chinese finger tricks. Once they punched open my calcified artery, they expanded the stent and opened it and secured it to the arterial wall by opening the stent, and then start the new valve a pumping. the opening is a tiny bit smaller than a normal uncalcified artery, but given the state of my bad valve it have a huge opening comparatively speaking.

I don't know the diameter, but 10 years ago they had to place a stent into my heart and it was the same. I was awake and watching the monitors for that one and was just amazed at how easy it seemed for them to do that intricate work.
 
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