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A carnal commandment is a carnal ordinance: a law that condemns them as transgressors, that do not bodily obey it, according to the letter of it's command.

It has nothing to do with inward faith of the heart, even as obedience to outward circumcision in the flesh, has nothing to do with inward circumcision of the heart in the spirit of Christ.

The old covenant was made after the law of a carnal commandment.

All the law of Moses given by God was weak, in that it could not command inward faith, because it did not command it.

The later prophesies commanding inward faith and circumcision of heart were prophesying of the coming Redeemer, who would have power to do so for them that believe and confess Him from the heart.

The New Testament in Christ Jesus is made by the oath and power of an endless life, not by carnal commandments of letter to bodily obey, that kill the Spirit of God's great commandment and royal law to love our neighbors as ourselves.

The carnal commandment of the Sabbath never had anything spiritual about it. It was all about bodily rest:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

The Sabbath was made for man and beast. There is nothing spiritual about cattle resting from it's labor, because cattle do not worship God in spirit and in truth.

Nor did it have anything to do with inward faith, because cattle have no faith.

Them that continue to obey carnal commandments of Sabbath and circumcision, as commandment of God to bodily obey on a certain day and in a certain manner, are as beasts of burden under the heavy weight of men's commandments ministered for doctrine of Christ. And they are grievous, because they are not made after the Spirit:

I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The people of the cross are them that only obey the commandments of Jesus to love God and our neighbors as ourselves, which are not grievous, because they are the law of the Spirit of life and of grace: they freely and willingly do so any day, any time, and in any manner by faith.

Even as the Pharisees of old commanded their own traditions from Moses' seat, to place heavy burdens upon the people, so do they today as from the judgement seat of Christ:

Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary beast. They stoop, they bow down together; they could not deliver the burden, but themselves are gone into captivity.

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments.

When they see themselves gathering together on their special day of Sabbath, they can congratulate themselves on how enlarged they are in obedience to a carnal commandment of God, that even the cattle could keep. It is a commandment that never had anything to do with the worship of God in the Spirit, and now has no more to do with the commandment of God, to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Them that obey carnal commandments of men taught for doctrine of Christ, are beasts of burden that make themselves cattle for false teachers, who sit upon them as lords over God's heritage.

They cover themselves in scarlet color of blood outwardly, but are not blood washed by the Lamb in His Spirit.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The inward Jews of God worship the risen God of Israel any and every day. The so-called Jews after the flesh wait until Saturday. Or Sunday.

Any who bodily obey any carnal commandment of God given to Moses, bind themselves to obey all the law of Moses.

And if they do not, then they are as children in the market place of law, piping and dancing with one another, while playing as teachers in the law of God, making it a personal playground and place of their own choosing, to buy and sell what commandments of law of Moses they like to keep:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast keeps days and numbers in mind to worship God, and judges others accordingly.

God's people have their names written in the the Lamb's book of life, by serving Him and keeping His commandments only.
 
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The beast keeps days and numbers in mind to worship God, and judges others accordingly.

I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
 

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I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days

I was wondering of someone who insists on strict reading of Scripture, as me, would spot that.

Good job.

I'll be back.
 
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Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days

I was wondering of someone who insists on strict reading of Scripture, as me, would spot that.

Good job.

I'll be back.

I study everyday. I can usually pick out a problem immediately.
 

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I study everyday. I can usually pick out a problem immediately.
I.e. you can pick up a problem of something sounding like Scripture, but is not specifically written as Scripture.

You can immediately spot the counterfeit, because you certainly know the authentic.

Picking up a problem straightway of something put forth as Scripture, and yet is not written in Scripture as such, is rare indeed.

I need to be careful about Scripture with you.

I'll be back with Scripture to prove my point. Or I'll be back corrected. Which is called Scriptural reproof.

Not many can do that with me. I hope you are someone who can disprove my conclusions of Scripture, by proving they are not Scripture, nor the sense of Scripture indeed.

The rod and reproof give wisdom: Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.

Without pride nor undo modesty, I have very few, if any, that can do so with me pertaining to Scripture.

As the man said in the 300, I will put you to the test.

I hope you pass.
 
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I.e. you can pick up a problem of something sounding like Scripture, but is not specifically written as Scripture.

You can immediately spot the counterfeit, because you certainly know the authentic.

Picking up a problem straightway of something put forth as Scripture, and yet is not written in Scripture as such, is rare indeed.

I need to be careful about Scripture with you.

I'll be back with Scripture to prove my point. Or I'll be back corrected. Which is called Scriptural reproof.

Not many can do that with me. I hope you are someone who can disprove my conclusions of Scripture, by proving they are not Scripture, nor the sense of Scripture indeed.

The rod and reproof give wisdom: Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.

Without pride nor undo modesty, I have very few, if any, that can do so with me pertaining to Scripture.

As the man said in the 300, I will put you to the test.

I hope you pass.

It is refreshing to come across someone who wants to have an open mind to adjust out errors and know what the true meaning of Scripture is according to what the Author means, and also by knowing the apostle who wrote it. Knowing that the authors (small "a") are Jews, it is wise to know the eastern style of writing, called Semitic writing styles. It is different than what our western minds will interpret. The most common error in the western church is the misinterpretation of 1 John 1. It has caused the most heresies in doctrine, and they are an insult to what Jesus actually accomplished in us.
 

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I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
Very true to a point - but when they say you must keep the sabbath day to be saved, as some of them do - they have put themselves back under the law and must therefore keep all 613 statutes, commands, and ordinances down to the least jot and tittle - including animal sacrifices- and if they break any part of it, they’ve broken all of it.
 

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Very true to a point - but when they say you must keep the sabbath day to be saved, as some of them do - they have put themselves back under the law and must therefore keep all 613 statutes, commands, and ordinances down to the least jot and tittle - including animal sacrifices- and if they break any part of it, they’ve broken all of it.

They only believe in the Ten Commandments and health laws. That is where their faith lies.

Romans 14:
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
 

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A carnal commandment is a carnal ordinance: a law that condemns them as transgressors, that do not bodily obey it, according to the letter of it's command.

It has nothing to do with inward faith of the heart, even as obedience to outward circumcision in the flesh, has nothing to do with inward circumcision of the heart in the spirit of Christ.

The old covenant was made after the law of a carnal commandment.

All the law of Moses given by God was weak, in that it could not command inward faith, because it did not command it.

The later prophesies commanding inward faith and circumcision of heart were prophesying of the coming Redeemer, who would have power to do so for them that believe and confess Him from the heart.

The New Testament in Christ Jesus is made by the oath and power of an endless life, not by carnal commandments of letter to bodily obey, that kill the Spirit of God's great commandment and royal law to love our neighbors as ourselves.

The carnal commandment of the Sabbath never had anything spiritual about it. It was all about bodily rest:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

The Sabbath was made for man and beast. There is nothing spiritual about cattle resting from it's labor, because cattle do not worship God in spirit and in truth.

Nor did it have anything with inward faith, because cattle have no faith.

Them that continue to obey carnal commandments of Sabbath and circumcision, as commandment of God to bodily obey on a certain day and in a certain manner, are as beasts of burden under the heavy weight of men's commandments ministered for doctrine of Christ. And they are grievous, because they are not made after the Spirit:

I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The people of the cross are them that only obey the commandments of Jesus to love God and our neighbors as ourselves, which are not grievous, because they are the law of the Spirit of life and of grace: they freely and willingly do so any day, any time, and in any manner, by faith.

Even as the Pharisees of old commanded their own traditions from Moses' seat, to place heavy burdens upon the people, so do they today as from the judgement seat of Christ:

Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle: your carriages were heavy loaden; they are a burden to the weary beast. They stoop, they bow down together; they could not deliver the burden, but themselves are gone into captivity.

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments.

When they see themselves gathering together on their special day of Sabbath, they can congratulate themselves on how enlarged they are in obedience to a carnal commandment of God, that even the cattle could keep, and never had anything to do with the worship of God in the Spirit, and now has no more to do with the commandment of God, to loving our neighbors as ourselves.

Them that obey carnal commandments of men taught for doctrine of Christ, are beasts of burden that make themselves cattle for false teachers, who sit upon them as lords over God's heritage.

They cover themselves in scarlet color of blood outwardly, but are not blood washed by the Lamb in His Spirit.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The inward Jews of God worship the risen God of Israel any and every day. The so-called Jews after the flesh wait until Saturday. Or Sunday.

Any who bodily obey any carnal commandment of God given to Moses, bind themselves to obey all the law of Moses.

And if they do not, then they are as children in the market places piping and dancing with one another, as they play at teachers in the law of God, making it a personal playground and place of their own choosing, to buy and sell what commandments of law of Moses they like to keep:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast keeps days and numbers in mind to worship God, and judges others accordingly.

God's people have their names written in the the Lamb's book of life, by serving Him and keeping His commandments only.

Although there are several laws given to us under the law covenant that still are in force under the new covenant, the sabbath is not binding for Christians. It is the only one of the 10 commandments that is no longer in force. Col 2:16,17
 

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Although there are several laws given to us under the law covenant that still are in force under the new covenant, the sabbath is not binding for Christians. It is the only one of the 10 commandments that is no longer in force. Col 2:16,17
It certainly is strange how that certain people can be so adamant about a commandment that is nowhere written as such by the apostles of Jesus Christ, and yet ignore the only mentioning of that commandment by the apostles is to not judge by it.

A commandment without judgment of God is no commandment of God at all, even as a law without transgression is no law at all.

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Because a commandment works obedience: for where no commandment is, there is no judgment.

Where no judgment is allowed, there is no commandment.

In the end, carnal minded people refuse to understand how their personal rules of life, even as by faithful obedience to a law, can be absolutely nothing to other people of faith, and God allows for both: He allows people to keep their own cherished rules in life, and He allows for others not to.

The only law and commandment God commands all to obey are His own.

He once commanded His people to keep a Sabbath, and now He does not, because the covenant of that commandment died with the One who made it, and when He rose again, He did so with a new covenant and law of commandment: love our neighbors as ourselves, and worship Him in spirit and in truth every day and any day on earth.
 

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Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The time now is, when the true worshippers shall neither worship in this or that mountain, nor in this are that day, but in every mountain and in every day.

This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

As the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice.


Today, if we will worship Him, it is the acceptable day of the Lord.
 

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They only believe in the Ten Commandments and health laws. That is where their faith lies.

Romans 14:
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:

As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
I’ve had several SDA say to me that you go to hell if you don’t observe the sabbath day.

Paul warns them they’ve therefore fallen from grace and made Jesus of no effect unto them, who seek to be justified by the law.
 

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I’ve had several SDA say to me that you go to hell if you don’t observe the sabbath day.

Paul warns them they’ve therefore fallen from grace and made Jesus of no effect unto them, who seek to be justified by the law.
Especially by a law that is no more commandment of God in Christ Jesus.
 

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It is refreshing to come across someone who wants to have an open mind to adjust out errors and know what the true meaning of Scripture is according to what the Author means, and also by knowing the apostle who wrote it. Knowing that the authors (small "a") are Jews, it is wise to know the eastern style of writing, called Semitic writing styles. It is different than what our western minds will interpret. The most common error in the western church is the misinterpretation of 1 John 1. It has caused the most heresies in doctrine, and they are an insult to what Jesus actually accomplished in us.
And what misinterpretation is there with 1 John 1?
 

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I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged

They judge others by their commandment, and we judge their commandment false.

We do not try to honor God by keeping a commandment He no longer commands to obey, but rather we honor our own righteousness as God's.

I do not judge anyone in days and Sabbaths. I judge righteous judgement as we are commanded by the Lord. I judge their self-righteous condemnation of others that do not as they do.

I have many things I do as unto the Lord, that God does not command, and I do not preach any of it as honoring God, as though other believers ought do the same.

Once we make our personal honoring of God a commandment for others to do likewise, we make ourselves lawgivers and judges of others. (James 4:12)

And so, I disagree with your rebuke. If anyone wants to keep a certain day more holily than another, they are free to do so, and I do not disagree with their right to do so before the Lord. But when they then go on to try and establish it as a commandment of righteousness that honors God, I then rebuke their self-righteous lawmaking as that of God.

I.e. they started it by judging according to appearance, I finish it by judging righteous judgment:

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
 

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Very true to a point - but when they say you must keep the sabbath day to be saved, as some of them do - they have put themselves back under the law and must therefore keep all 613 statutes, commands, and ordinances down to the least jot and tittle - including animal sacrifices- and if they break any part of it, they’ve broken all of it.
You must also judge all others that don't as transgressors against God.
 

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I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith.
In matters of personal faith, it is a sin if we do anything against our own conscience, which is anything done without faith.

We do not keep God's commandments as a matter of personal faith. We keep His commandments as a matter of obedience to His faith.

We are to obey the faith of Jesus, even as we keep His commandments. (Rom 1:5)

Matters of personal faith we have between ourselves and our Lord, and happy are we in keeping it to ourselves with God and not preaching it to others as God:

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. (Rom 14)

We minister the commandments of God for all to obey. In things that are not by commandment, we neither compel nor command nor judge them of weaker conscience.

But neither do we allow the weak to judge our liberty by their conscience, and so have dominion over our faith. (1 Cor 10:29)(2 Cor 1:24)

That is not the manner of them weak in conscience, but rather is the ministry of commandments, where there is no commandment, by them that self-righteously believe their weak conscience is a show of strength in the Lord.

It is called will worship by a vain show of the flesh.

We help each others' joy in the Lord by preaching only that which is written plainly for all to read and see for themselves, while not intruding into matters of personal faith and conscience by persuading and compelling them to do as we.

It's called live and let live in the faith and body of Christ.
 

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I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days. Do not put SDAs in this category. They honor the old Sabbath Day because they keep the Ten Commandments. But they also have the eternal laws of God to LOVE written on their hearts. Romans 14 says for us, including you, to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

Of all the denominations, and there are about 30,000, it is the ones who according to Jesus in his letter to Sardis "who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." That is about not committing sin which would dirty their garments. Which denominations do you know that teaches the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us of our "past, present and future" sins. The Bible only says "old sins." Not ones we keep on committing! That doctrine is a doctrine of demons because is makes us apathetic about committing present and future sins which tramples on the blood of the Covenant and insults the Spirit of Grace! SDA's believe in keeping the Old Sabbath day and do so by faith. To them it would be a sin not to because then it would not be of faith. Phil. 3:16
I agree with your post, Robert, until I got to here above. Number of the beast is correct, but it says absolutely nothing about days.

The beast keeps days and numbers in mind to worship God, and judges others accordingly.

Ok, good correction.

Sabbath commanders that keep days in mind to worship God, and judge others accordingly, are like the beast that keeps numbers in mind to worship God, and judges others accordingly.

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I’ve had several SDA say to me that you go to hell if you don’t observe the sabbath day.

Paul warns them they’ve therefore fallen from grace and made Jesus of no effect unto them, who seek to be justified by the law.

Curtis, circumcision is outside the Ten Commandments.

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

I know where you are coming from. But I don't take it as far as you do that if you keep any part of the law you have to keep the whole thing. Its actually the opposite when the Ten Commandments are concerned. If you BREAK one commandment, you've broken them ALL. Circumcision is part of the ceremonial laws, and I believe so is the Sabbath as it is first in the list of Leviticus 23. But I do refer to the Torah with regards to homosexuality, marriage, remarriage, divorce, and the occult, and whether a pastor can marry anyone other than a virgin - even a widow is off-limits.

Personally, I refuse to sin, so I don't date, even though it was my Christian husband who divorced me without cause and married his mistress in 2001. I believe they are living in perpetual adultery for as long as they are together and don't repent. But he is still the last man I kissed. And I still wear my rings. But when I look at them, I see Jesus as my Husband, though I still have my husband's last name. Isa. 54:5
 
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to NOT judge them, because God honors them because they are trying to honor Him.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged

They judge others by their commandment, and we judge their commandment false.

We do not try to honor God by keeping a commandment He no longer commands to obey, but rather we honor our own righteousness as God's.

I do not judge anyone in days and Sabbaths. I judge righteous judgement as we are commanded by the Lord. I judge their self-righteous condemnation of others that do not as they do.

I have many things I do as unto the Lord, that God does not command, and I do not preach any of it as honoring God, as though other believers ought do the same.

Once we make our personal honoring of God a commandment for others to do likewise, we make ourselves lawgivers and judges of others. (James 4:12)

And so, I disagree with your rebuke. If anyone wants to keep a certain day more holily than another, they are free to do so, and I do not disagree with their right to do so before the Lord. But when they then go on to try and establish it as a commandment of righteousness that honors God, I then rebuke their self-righteous lawmaking as that of God.

I.e. they started it by judging according to appearance, I finish it by judging righteous judgment:

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I can understand their judgment. They are concerned about us. I do the same thing. I'm concerned about most of the church who actually believes the doctrines of demons they have heard all their lives!