the great Jewish "distress"

Truth7t7 · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Again . . . That's not for me to parse bloodlines, get serious. God knows who He has chosen.

Much love!

Yes, and salvation isnt based upon ethnic heritage or bloodlines as you falsely claim "All Jews" that see Jesus at his return will be saved

David in NJ · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
He speaks of denying Scriptures, yet, since I've asked him for Scripture which teaches the church to be the bride of Christ, he's not posted Scriptures, and just keeps accusing me of twisting them.

Here's an interesting thing . . . search "bride" in the NT,

View attachment 16801

Only in John, and the Revelation is the word bride used.

Much love!

i told you i could not respond for work AND i just returned home and beat you to it - SEE Post #218

AGAIN, here are your own words - "there is nothing to say the Church is the bride of Christ."

you went from fellowship to division to argument, not against me, but against easy to read and understand Scripture

marks · Aug 24, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Yes, and salvation isnt based upon ethni heritage or bloodlines asyou falsely claim "All Jews" that see Jesus at his return will be saved

It's based on faith. And all the Jews alive when Jesus returns will receive Him, trust in Him.

Much love!

marks · Aug 24, 2021

David in NJ said:
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Where is the church here? Who was Jesus with? Who was John the Baptist joyful over, that they would be with their Messiah?

Much love!

marks · Aug 24, 2021

David in NJ said:
AGAIN, here are your own words - "there is nothing to say the Church is the bride of Christ."

I merely invite you to refute this statement.

Nothing in the Bible calls the church the bride of Christ. Meanwhile, it plainly states that God wed Israel, then put her away (divorced), but will re-wed her. There need be no confusion over who is being wed to God in the wedding feast of the Lamb.

Who are the guests?

Meanwhile, even in that same place where Paul uses marriage as a simile for our relationship to Jesus, not using a simile, what he says plainly, is that we are in fact His very body. It's not like we're waiting to be joined to Christ in wedded bliss in some future time. The reality is that we are His body even now, and He cares for us, loves us, as His Own body.

Much love!

David in NJ · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Where is the church here? Who was Jesus with?

Much love!

If you do not know and understand this then i suggest before we continue that you enter into your prayer closet to be alone with the Lord and seek His answer to your question. i can tell you but you are seeking to argue via mans intellect, which i warned you about.
The carnal mind is at war with the Spirit.

The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;
for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

Truth7t7 · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
It's based on faith. And all the Jews alive when Jesus returns will receive Him, trust in Him.

Much love!

Every Eye On Earth Will See Jesus, What about Africans, Chinese, Hispanics, Other Races That See Him?

As Is Clearly Shown, Your Claim Of Salvation Built Upon Ethnic Racial Heritage For One Group "Jews" Is "Error"

God Has No Respect For Persons

Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Roman's 2:11KJV
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

marks · Aug 24, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Every Eye On Earth Will See Jesus, What about all Africans, Chinese, Hispanics That See Him?

As Is Clearly Shown, Your Claim Of Salvation Built Upon Ethnic Racial Heritage For One Group "Jews" Is "Error" God Has No Respect For Persons

Revelation 1:7KJV
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Roman's 2:11KJV
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Again, if you feel that God selecting a certain nation is showing a wrongful "respect of persons", you'd have to make that complaint to God, since He's the one Who chose Israel.

You are quoting a passage that says every eye will see Him, but it makes no statement about them receiving Him, to be saved by Him. But of Israel there is.

Much love!

marks · Aug 24, 2021

David in NJ said:
If you do not know and understand this then i suggest before we conti

I'm asking you, so we can try to have a more full discussion. If you don't wish to proceed, that's fine, and I understand.

Much love!

marks · Aug 24, 2021

David in NJ said: ↑
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

marks said:
Where is the church here? Who was Jesus with? Who was John the Baptist joyful over, that they would be with their Messiah?

Much love!

Where is the church in that passage? It's not actually there. John is speaking of the bridegroom and the bride, but without any statement whatsoever as to who this bride is. The bridegroom is of course Jesus, and Jesus came specifically to the Lost Sheep of Israel. So what should we make of that? That John the Baptist was rejoicing not because Jesus came to His Own, but because in the future, Israel would be rejected, and the Gospel would bypass them, going straight to the gentiles?

Was that what John was celebrating?

Or was he celebrating that Jesus came to the Jews? The bridegroom has come to His bride.

Much love!

marks · Aug 24, 2021

David in NJ said:
i can tell you but you are seeking to argue via mans intellect,

And I can tell you that you do not see into my mind, so this is beyond your knowing. And in fact what this is, rather than discuss the topic, you'd rather discuss the inner workings of my mind, again, as if you had any real knowledge of that.

I'm not here to discuss me, I'm here to discuss Scripture. When you turn the discussion away from the topic and to the man, well, in Latin, that's Ad Hominem.

Much love!

Truth7t7 · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
And I can tell you that you do not see into my mind, so this is beyond your knowing. And in fact what this is, rather than discuss the topic, you'd rather discuss the inner workings of my mind, again, as if you had any real knowledge of that.

I'm not here to discuss me, I'm here to discuss Scripture. When you turn the discussion away from the topic and to the man, well, in Latin, that's Ad Hominem.

Much love!

My observation here shows you have promoted John N.Darby's dispensationalism in (Dual Covenant Theoogy) in (Christian Zionism) In Two Peoples Of God (Jews/Church) a false teaching not found in scripture

marks · Aug 24, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
My observation here shows you have promoted John N.Darby's dispensationalism in (Dual Covenant Theoogy) in (Christian Zionism) In Two Peoples Of God (Jews/Church) a false teaching not found in scripture

My suggestion is read what I write to know what I'm saying.

Or, label and dismiss it.

I get the feeling that you want to be seen as having a discussion, but you just don't seem to want to get into the meat of Scripture.

I can take a hint.

Much love!

Truth7t7 · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Nothing in the Bible calls the church the bride of Christ. Meanwhile, it plainly states that God wed Israel, then put her away (divorced), but will re-wed her. There need be no confusion over who is being wed to God in the wedding feast of the Lamb.

Who are the guests?

Meanwhile, even in that same place where Paul uses marriage as a simile for our relationship to Jesus, not using a simile, what he says plainly, is that we are in fact His very body. It's not like we're waiting to be joined to Christ in wedded bliss in some future time. The reality is that we are His body even now, and He cares for us, loves us, as His Own body.
Much love!

Yes The Church Is The Bride Of Christ, As Clearly Shown Below, This Marriage And Supper Is Future

Revelation 19:7-9KJV
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

marks · Aug 24, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Yes The Church Is The Bride Of Christ, As Clearly Shown Below, This Marriage And Supper Is Future

Revelation 19:7-9KJV
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Can you point to the place that says the church is the bride?

This speaks of the marriage of the Lamb. His wife has made herself ready.

You shall not see Me again until you say, blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

Malachi 4:5-6 KJV
5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Maybe you've just become so used to reading it that way, that you've stopped noticing that the church isn't named in those passages. Meanwhile, Israel is taught in a number of places to be wed to God, then to have been divorced, but having God's promise that He will re-wed the one who was put away. Israel.

Much love!

David in NJ · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Can you point to the place that says the church is the bride?

This speaks of the marriage of the Lamb. His wife has made herself ready.

You shall not see Me again until you say, blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

Malachi 4:5-6 KJV
5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Maybe you've just become so used to reading it that way, that you've stopped noticing that the church isn't named in those passages. Meanwhile, Israel is taught in a number of places to be wed to God, then to have been divorced, but having God's promise that He will re-wed the one who was put away. Israel.

Much love!

Dear brother marks, i will enter one more time to answer your question about the Bride of Christ being the Church.

I said this to you before: God has many names for Himself such as: Immanuel = God with us, Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Everlasting Father, Lord of Hosts, JESUS, Son of Man, the Holy One of God, Yehovah Yirah the Lord my Provider, I AM and so. There are more.

Just as our Lord has many names but is the SAME LORD so is the Bride of Christ/the Church/His Elect/the Elect of God/the Temple of God.

Review the Scriptures from the Lord Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, Hebrews.

I also say to you that the Bride of Christ is in Genesis - this i will not tell you a you must first find the New Testament Scriptures pertaining to Her.

David in NJ · Aug 24, 2021

Timtofly said:
He did not post, "there is no bride". I am not Mark's disciple, but it seems you are not understanding his post.

help me out - please provide post # so i can review my own words in case i said something out of place - thank you

Truth7t7 · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Can you point to the place that says the church is the bride?

This speaks of the marriage of the Lamb. His wife has made herself ready.

You shall not see Me again until you say, blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

Malachi 4:5-6 KJV
5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Maybe you've just become so used to reading it that way, that you've stopped noticing that the church isn't named in those passages. Meanwhile, Israel is taught in a number of places to be wed to God, then to have been divorced, but having God's promise that He will re-wed the one who was put away. Israel.

Much love!

You talk about digging into the meat of scripture?

Who Is The Wife, Her, She?

The Saints = Church

The Church Before your eyes, Marriage, Lamb, Wife, Her, She, Saints

Yes The Church Is The Bride Of Christ, As Clearly Shown Below, This Marriage And Supper Is Future

Revelation 19:7-9KJV
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Keraz · Aug 24, 2021

marks said:
Can you point to the place that says the church is the bride?

The Church is Israel :

Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which is made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16

This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14

Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. No other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples.

David in NJ · Aug 24, 2021

Keraz said:
The Church is Israel :

Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which is made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16

This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14

Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. No other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples.

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