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David in NJ

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You talk about digging into the meat of scripture?

Who Is The Wife, Her, She?

The Saints = Church

The Church Before your eyes, Marriage, Lamb, Wife, Her, She, Saints


Yes The Church Is The Bride Of Christ, As Clearly Shown Below, This Marriage And Supper Is Future

Revelation 19:7-9KJV
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

They say i was twisting scripture - lol - beautiful post brother
 
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Again, if you feel that God selecting a certain nation is showing a wrongful "respect of persons", you'd have to make that complaint to God, since He's the one Who chose Israel.

You are quoting a passage that says every eye will see Him, but it makes no statement about them receiving Him, to be saved by Him. But of Israel there is.

Much love!
Fact is "God" hasnt selected a future nation based upon race, a false teaching know as (Dual Covenant Theology)

Israel Is The Church, The 12 Tribes Scattered Abroad

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
 
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I merely invite you to refute this statement.

Nothing in the Bible calls the church the bride of Christ. Meanwhile, it plainly states that God wed Israel, then put her away (divorced), but will re-wed her. There need be no confusion over who is being wed to God in the wedding feast of the Lamb.

Who are the guests?

Meanwhile, even in that same place where Paul uses marriage as a simile for our relationship to Jesus, not using a simile, what he says plainly, is that we are in fact His very body. It's not like we're waiting to be joined to Christ in wedded bliss in some future time. The reality is that we are His body even now, and He cares for us, loves us, as His Own body.

Much love!

marks, do really know Him? Have you truly been Born-Again by the Spirit of God? or are you trusting in religious teaching?
I do not say this in insult to you. i am concerned for you as how is it possible you do not know these things about Christ and we who are washed in His Blood.
His Bride - His Body - His Elect - His Church - His Saints - His Tabernacle - His Temple
 
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David in NJ

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Amen, they are pushing Dispensationalism's false teachings in (Dual Covenant Theology) the ole two peoples of God, Jew/Church

There is one people of God, "The Church" made up of both Jew/Gentile, it's that simple

The human intellect does not like 'simple' truth.

i say this to the 'smart' ones - God decided one day to write a Book. So He wrote a children's book - for His Children.
 

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Dear brother marks, i will enter one more time to answer your question about the Bride of Christ being the Church.

I said this to you before: God has many names for Himself such as: Immanuel = God with us, Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Everlasting Father, Lord of Hosts, JESUS, Son of Man, the Holy One of God, Yehovah Yirah the Lord my Provider, I AM and so. There are more.

Just as our Lord has many names but is the SAME LORD so is the Bride of Christ/the Church/His Elect/the Elect of God/the Temple of God.

Review the Scriptures from the Lord Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, Hebrews.

I also say to you that the Bride of Christ is in Genesis - this i will not tell you a you must first find the New Testament Scriptures pertaining to Her.
So that's a no, then, you cannot point me to a place the Bible actually says this.

Much love!
 

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You talk about digging into the meat of scripture?

Who Is The Wife, Her, She?

The Saints = Church

The Church Before your eyes, Marriage, Lamb, Wife, Her, She, Saints


Yes The Church Is The Bride Of Christ, As Clearly Shown Below, This Marriage And Supper Is Future

Revelation 19:7-9KJV
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
And in this passage where is the church ONCE named? It is not.

We have to use other passages to know who is the wife here. And other Scriptures tell us that God had wed Israel, then divorced her, and then promised to re-wed her.

So let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife has made herself ready.

Much love!
 

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So that's a no, then, you cannot point me to a place the Bible actually says this.

Much love!

Are you a man of God or a nursing babe in Christ? Do i need to show you? or are you in 'smart mode' = argument.

It is so obvious to us who have read and studied the Word of the Lord.
 

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Some HAS been Fulfilled, Much more to Come.
Jesus SAID...IT IS FINISHED.
REV..SAYS.....IT IS DONE.

Old days, these last days, days of Dividing, 1,000 year reign , ie. days without Satan, days of war when Satan is released, days ALL hear the Gospel, days, of SEPARATING THE DIVIDED.


Heb 1:
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

John 18:
[37] Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

2 Tim 2:
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Luke 18:
[7] And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Matt 13:
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. (Jesus' 1,000 yr reign VOID of Satan.)

[49] So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

REMEMBER....mortals continue to exist ON Earth during the 1,000 yr reign.

MUCH SORTING...to establish particular days, and ends of those particular days.
 
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The Church is Israel :

Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which is made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16

This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14


Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. No other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples.
Let me think about if I want to do this. I know we are both confident in our views, so it would simply be an exercise. But you never know!

Firstly though we really would need to stick with the literal translations. Too much from the NLT or NIV or ones like those, and much can be lost.

And then you've got stuff like this,

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church,

which really is just restating the assertion in the proof. And it ignores what the Apostle actually wrote. I mean, what would he have to have said if he really did mean that he was writing to the 12 tribes? Could that not actually be the case?

I'd want our discussion to edify.

Much love!
 

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Are you a man of God or a nursing babe in Christ?
Are your a child of God, or a worldly man using worldly arguments?

I'm here to talk about the Bible, and you keep wanting to talk about your low opinions of me.

It is so obvious to us who have read and studied the Word of the Lord.

There's a charmer! "We" all know, what's wrong with you?

Why bother with these sorts of vanities, when you could quote from the Bible, and talk about what it says, and what it means. That's what I like to do.

And to stay away from such meaningless and patently false statements.

Much love!
 
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Let me think about if I want to do this. I know we are both confident in our views, so it would simply be an exercise. But you never know!

Firstly though we really would need to stick with the literal translations. Too much from the NLT or NIV or ones like those, and much can be lost.

And then you've got stuff like this,

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church,

which really is just restating the assertion in the proof. And it ignores what the Apostle actually wrote. I mean, what would he have to have said if he really did mean that he was writing to the 12 tribes? Could that not actually be the case?

I'd want our discussion to edify.

Much love!

Some things from the Word for you to meditate on, pray about, ingest and digest.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile." James knew this.

James also knew and believed this: "He came unto His own and His own received Him not, but as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe His Name."

James, no doubt, was with the Disciples on the Day of Pentecost.

There is only One Gospel - to the Jew first and also to the Gentile

the LORD says: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a Light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6

For my eyes have seen Your salvation
which You have prepared in the sight of all people,

a Light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to Your people Israel. - Luke 2: 30 -32
 
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Are your a child of God, or a worldly man using worldly arguments?

I'm here to talk about the Bible, and you keep wanting to talk about your low opinions of me.



There's a charmer! "We" all know, what's wrong with you?

Why bother with these sorts of vanities, when you could quote from the Bible, and talk about what it says, and what it means. That's what I like to do.

And to stay away from such meaningless and patently false statements.

Much love!

Your words expose your heart - grow up in Christ - Peace can only be found in Jesus - religion is dead.
 

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Fact is "God" hasnt selected a future nation based upon race,
No, you are correct here. God already chose one.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 KJV
35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Much love!
 

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marks, do really know Him?
I'll leave that for you to decide. I get it. You don't want to do this discussion. Now you just want to focus on me, and how, what, unspiritual I am?

More vanity.

Much love!
 

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The human intellect does not like 'simple' truth.
Here's the simple truth. The Bible doesn't call us the bride of Christ. Paul is really specific to say that being a bride/wife is actually something to serve as an example of the real unity we have with Christ, and which is called being His body.

Paul uses the example of wedded bliss to point us to the care Jesus gives us, being careful to say that what he's really doing is revealing a deep spiritual truth, something unknowable until that revelation. A mystery. Musterion.

This truth is that we've been united to Christ Himself, to the point that we are bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh.

And the simplest truth here to be revealed is that we are one with Christ, and He loves us. We never have reason to fear. And we don't need to be concerned about how we look to others. When we live as one with Christ, we may be appreciated by others, we may be mocked by others, we may be beaten by others. No matter! That's how they treated Him! It's nothing He hasn't dealt with before. Saul, Why do you persecute Me? Whose body was Saul beating? Jesus' body.

It seems romantic to some to grab onto that example, and hold to the example of marriage as if that were what the passage is really telling us, but the simplicity of the passage is something else, and, at least to me, better.

Much love!
 

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Here's the simple truth. The Bible doesn't call us the bride of Christ. Paul is really specific to say that being a bride/wife is actually something to serve as an example of the real unity we have with Christ, and which is called being His body.

Paul uses the example of wedded bliss to point us to the care Jesus gives us, being careful to say that what he's really doing is revealing a deep spiritual truth, something unknowable until that revelation. A mystery. Musterion.

This truth is that we've been united to Christ Himself, to the point that we are bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh.

And the simplest truth here to be revealed is that we are one with Christ, and He loves us. We never have reason to fear. And we don't need to be concerned about how we look to others. When we live as one with Christ, we may be appreciated by others, we may be mocked by others, we may be beaten by others. No matter! That's how they treated Him! It's nothing He hasn't dealt with before. Saul, Why do you persecute Me? Whose body was Saul beating? Jesus' body.

It seems romantic to some to grab onto that example, and hold to the example of marriage as if that were what the passage is really telling us, but the simplicity of the passage is something else, and, at least to me, better.

Much love!

I appreciate what you said here - only one thing - stop accusing others of what you do not know nor understand and stop 'adding to and taking away from scripture.
If you can do this, then you will fulfill the Law of Christ.

“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar." Proverbs 30

Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or informed Him as His counselor?
Whom did He consult to enlighten Him, and who taught Him the paths of justice?
Who imparted knowledge to Him and showed Him the way of understanding? Isaiah 40
 
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stop accusing others of what you do not know nor understand and stop 'adding to and taking away from scripture.
Instead of you making this accusation, if you were to only show where I've done this, that would settle the matter quite peaceably.

Much love!
 

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The Law of Christ compells me to share truth with you.

Much love!

lol - yeah by denying scripture - got it

When you really want to fellowship in Him and His Word with me and AGREE to 'Hands OFF' of scripture - i will engage with you.
Peace and Blessing be upon you from the Holy Spirit - Amen