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.. is riding a white horse.

The color white in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The color gold in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The two different Greek words for "crown" in the Revelation speak louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).
The first horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a white horse (Rev 6:2).
(The second horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a red horse, which is the color of the dragon in Rev 12:3)

PURE GOLD
Rev.1:13 & 20 & 2:1 (golden lampstands, golden band around the breast of the Son of man);
Rev.3:18 (gold tried in the fire);
Rev.4:4 (golden crowns of the 24 elders in heaven);
Rev.5:18 (golden vials full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints);
Rev. 8:3 & 9:13 (golden censer, golden altar);
Rev. 14:14 (golden crown of the Son of man);
Rev.15:6 (golden bands around the angels' chests);
Rev.15:7 (golden bowls of God's wrath);
Rev.21:15 (golden reed to measure the holy city, new Jerusalem);
Rev. 21:18 (the New Jerusalem is a city of pure gold);
Rev.21:21 (the New Jerusalem's street is of pure gold).

GOLD AND WHITE
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see." (Revelation 3:18) (Gold is a metal which must be smelted in great heat in order to purify it).

CROWNS
Stéphanos ("crown): "apparently primary στέφω stéphō, (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, (ie diádēma), literally or figuratively:--crown."

A stéphanos is a crown of honor, and a crown of honor can only be received by a person when someone else with a much higher status (usually a king) bestows it upon him or her. But someone with royal authority wears a diádēma.

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (crown of honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (Whom, as we know, has been given a name above all names),

but in Revelation 19:19 He is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (see Revelation 19:16).

FAKE CROWNS AND FOOLS GOLD
"Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns (stéphanos) similar to gold, and their faces looked like men's faces." (Revelation 9:7)

THE GLORY OF GOD ABUSED BY A HARLOT?
The New Jerusalem is a city of gold with precious stones, gates of pearls, and its street is of gold.(Rev 21:18-21)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." (Revelation 17:4)
 
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.. is not the Antichrist.

The color white in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The color gold in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The two different Greek words for "crown" in the Revelation speak louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).
The first horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a white horse (Rev 6:2).
(The second horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a red horse, which is the color of the dragon in Rev 12:3)

PURE GOLD
Rev.1:13 & 20 & 2:1 (golden lampstands, golden band around the breast of the Son of man);
Rev.3:18 (gold tried in the fire);
Rev.4:4 (golden crowns of the 24 elders in heaven);
Rev.5:18 (golden vials full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints);
Rev. 8:3 & 9:13 (golden censer, golden altar);
Rev. 14:14 (golden crown of the Son of man);
Rev.15:6 (golden bands around the angels' chests);
Rev.15:7 (golden bowls of God's wrath);
Rev.21:15 (golden reed to measure the holy city, new Jerusalem);
Rev. 21:18 (the New Jerusalem is a city of pure gold);
Rev.21:21 (the New Jerusalem's street is of pure gold).

GOLD AND WHITE
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see." (Revelation 3:18) (Gold is a metal which must be smelted in great heat in order to purify it).

CROWNS
Stéphanos ("crown): "apparently primary στέφω stéphō, (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, (ie diádēma), literally or figuratively:--crown."

A stéphanos is a crown of honor, and a crown of honor can only be received by a person when someone else with a much higher status (usually a king) bestows it upon him or her. But someone with royal authority wears a diádēma.

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (crown of honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (Whom, as we know, has been given a name above all names),

but in Revelation 19:19 He is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (see Revelation 19:16).

FAKE CROWNS AND FOOLS GOLD
"Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns (stéphanos) similar to gold, and their faces looked like men's faces." (Revelation 9:7)

THE GLORY OF GOD ABUSED BY A HARLOT?
The New Jerusalem is a city of gold with precious stones, gates of pearls, and its street is of gold.(Rev 21:18-21)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." (Revelation 17:4)
Who is the rider, and what is he going out to do?

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Who is the rider, and what is he going out to do?

Much love!
Aside from the fact that he's riding on a white horse and wearing a stephanos crown proves that he is not the Antichrist, and the second horseman is riding a red horse which is the color of the dragon in Revelation 12: 3, I don't know what his identity is. He could be a Christian leader.

This is what He's out to do:

Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all nations. And then the end shall come.

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and kindred and tongue and people,
7 saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 
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.. is not the Antichrist.

The color white in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The color gold in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The two different Greek words for "crown" in the Revelation speak louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).
The first horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a white horse (Rev 6:2).
(The second horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a red horse, which is the color of the dragon in Rev 12:3)

PURE GOLD
Rev.1:13 & 20 & 2:1 (golden lampstands, golden band around the breast of the Son of man);
Rev.3:18 (gold tried in the fire);
Rev.4:4 (golden crowns of the 24 elders in heaven);
Rev.5:18 (golden vials full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints);
Rev. 8:3 & 9:13 (golden censer, golden altar);
Rev. 14:14 (golden crown of the Son of man);
Rev.15:6 (golden bands around the angels' chests);
Rev.15:7 (golden bowls of God's wrath);
Rev.21:15 (golden reed to measure the holy city, new Jerusalem);
Rev. 21:18 (the New Jerusalem is a city of pure gold);
Rev.21:21 (the New Jerusalem's street is of pure gold).

GOLD AND WHITE
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see." (Revelation 3:18) (Gold is a metal which must be smelted in great heat in order to purify it).

CROWNS
Stéphanos ("crown): "apparently primary στέφω stéphō, (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, (ie diádēma), literally or figuratively:--crown."

A stéphanos is a crown of honor, and a crown of honor can only be received by a person when someone else with a much higher status (usually a king) bestows it upon him or her. But someone with royal authority wears a diádēma.

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (crown of honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (Whom, as we know, has been given a name above all names),

but in Revelation 19:19 He is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (see Revelation 19:16).

FAKE CROWNS AND FOOLS GOLD
"Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns (stéphanos) similar to gold, and their faces looked like men's faces." (Revelation 9:7)

THE GLORY OF GOD ABUSED BY A HARLOT?
The New Jerusalem is a city of gold with precious stones, gates of pearls, and its street is of gold.(Rev 21:18-21)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." (Revelation 17:4)


read OT prophets on the horses of color, that may help you understand more.
 
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Aside from the fact that he's riding on a white horse and wearing a stephanos crown proves that he is not the Antichrist, and the second horseman is riding a red horse which is the color of the dragon in Revelation 12: 3, I don't know what his identity is. He could be a Christian leader.

This is what He's out to do:

Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all nations. And then the end shall come.

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and kindred and tongue and people,
7 saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Are you saying this first horseman is Jesus, proclaiming the Gospel?

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Are you saying this first horseman is Jesus, proclaiming the Gospel?

Much love!
Nope. I said Idon't know who he is, but he's not the Antichrist. He's riding a white horse and the crown he wears is a stéphanos:

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

Why would the color white always represent the following things in the Revelation but suddenly the first horseman of the Apocalypse is the Antichrist?

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).

White never represents anything else in the Revelation.

Anyone with any suggestions as to the identity of the first horseman of the Apocalypse is welcome to come forward, and if you say he's the Antichrist you'd need to give a valid reason for saying why before I would even consider what you say.
 
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Nope. I said Idon't know who he is, but he's not the Antichrist.
OK, thanks! I missed that part. That's why I like to ask questions!

You are calling the stephanos a "crown of honor", I've long understood it be given to the contest winner. It's a prize. Isn't it?

Stephanos is the victory crown, diadem is the ruler's crown.

Why would the color white always represent the following things in the Revelation but suddenly the first horseman of the Apocalypse is the Antichrist?

Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. But aside from that, the white horse is a sign of a ruler who's coming is warlike. The Jewish practice was that the king coming in peace rode a donkey, and a king coming in war, the war horse. I'm not sure how many cultures had the same tradition, but my understanding is that this was more widespread, a common practice.

Christ came first in peace, riding the donkey, but will return in war, riding His white horse.

Anyone with any suggestions as to the identity of the first horseman of the Apocalypse is welcome to come forward, and if you say he's the Antichrist you'd need to give a valiod reason for saying why before I would even consider what you say.

My suggestion is that he is the beast, however, the exact identity of this rider is not given.

Much love!
 

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You need to quote the scriptures you are referring to and say why you bellieve those horses are the same as the horses of the Apocalypse. It's a very lazy way of arguing against the OP. Most people who might read this thread won't know what you're talking about and will not find themselves very informed by you, if that's what you would like to happen.
Hardly lazy at all to examine parallel passages. I think it's the right idea, myself.

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A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
Does it name a "white stone" because calling it white in this vision makes it a certain thing? Or was there something which everyone recognized as the "white stone", and knew the significance? Do you know what I'm asking?

The rider rides a white horse. Here, they are given a white stone. Is it called a "white" stone to make the stone a certain thing according the vision? Or is it called a "white" stone to identify it as something the people knew about? The "white stone"?

Much love!
 
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read OT prophets on the horses of color, that may help you understand more.
You need to quote the scriptures you are referring to and say why you bellieve those horses are the same as the horses of the Apocalypse. It's a very lazy way of arguing against the OP. Most people who might read this thread won't know what you're talking about and will not find themselves very informed by you, if that's what you would like to happen.

OK I'll give you a hint. It's in Zechariah. I won't tell you the chapter.
 

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Does it name a "white stone" because calling it white in this vision makes it a certain thing? Or was there something which everyone recognized as the "white stone", and knew the significance? Do you know what I'm asking?

The rider rides a white horse. Here, they are given a white stone. Is it called a "white" stone to make the horse a certain thing according the vision? Or is it called a "white" stone to identify it as something the people knew about? The "white stone"?

Much love!
Each prophetic book has symbolism contained in other prophetic books, but each one has some symbolism that's unique to itself.

I can't believe, personally, that the color white symbolizes righteouessness in every verse in the Revelation where its found, yet somehow it's not referring to Christ or someone He sends (like perhaps a symbolic representation of the two witnesses = the rider on the white horse i.e first horseman of the Apolcalypse). I'm not saying that it IS a symbolic representation of the two witnesses at all. All I'm saying is that it cannot suddenly be the Antichrist. The very next horse is the horse that takes peace from the earth.

OK, thanks! I missed that part. That's why I like to ask questions!

You are calling the stephanos a "crown of honor", I've long understood it be given to the contest winner. It's a prize. Isn't it?

Stephanos is the victory crown, diadem is the ruler's crown.

That's what I said.

In ancient Greece the victor at the ("Olympic") games was given a stephanos. It was an honor bestowed upon him by someone else with the authority and status to crown someone with such a crown.

That's the origin of the stephanos, and it is therefore a crown of honor. Like you say,

Stephanos is the victory crown, diadem is the ruler's crown.

Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. But aside from that, the white horse is a sign of a ruler who's coming is warlike.

The Jewish practice was that the king coming in peace rode a donkey, and a king coming in war, the war horse. I'm not sure how many cultures had the same tradition, but my understanding is that this was more widespread, a common practice.

Christ came first in peace, riding the donkey, but will return in war, riding His white horse.

Right.

In Zechariah the Angel of the Lord who stood among the myrtle trees is riding a red horse (Zechariah 1:8, 11), and He is going out to war against those who had destroyed Jerusalem.

In the Old Testament He appears on a red horse, symbolizing that He was going out as it were "to take peace from the earth" (Zechariah 1:11) because the earth was at peace, and He was going out to destroy those who had destroyed Jerusalem, in order to deliver His people from their captivity (Zechariah 1:12). He was going as "the Commander of the army of the LORD" to destroy the enemies of Judah and Jerusalem. This was before His incarnation and His sacrifice for the sins of the world.

But now, in the Revelation, the same Commander of the LORD's armies appears on a white horse, because now it's the gospel that's going out conquering and to conquer. He is not the one going out to take peace from the earth this time (the rider on the red horse is the one Revelation says will go out to take peace from the earth). So that's "the Antichrist" (or "the beast").

So obviously I don't agree with your statement below:

My suggestion is that he is the beast, however, the exact identity of this rider is not given.
Much love!

It's a symbolic reference to the gospel going out (i.e not a literal rider on a literal horse). It could be referring to a Christian evangelist, or evangelists (plural).
 
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I can't believe, personally, that the color white symbolizes righteouessness in every verse in the Revelation where its found, yet somehow it's not referring to Christ or someone He sends (like perhaps a symbolic representation of the two witnesses = the rider on the white horse i.e first horseman of the Apolcalypse). I'm not saying that it IS a symbolic representation of the two witnesses at all. All I'm saying is that it cannot suddenly be the Antichrist. The very next horse is the horse that takes peace from the earth.
I think when the Book references a "known thing", we should interpret accordingly. If I were to say a corded telephone, someone in a 1000 years might say, No, he didn't mean an actual wire, he meant being a slave to the telephone. "It has it's cords on him."

The white stone is a thing they give when someone was declared innocent. The white horse was what the warring king rode. This is what I mean when I talk about holding to the the Historical/Grammatical hermeneutic.

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I think when the Book references a "known thing", we should interpret accordingly. If I were to say a corded telephone, someone in a 1000 years might say, No, he didn't mean an actual wire, he meant being a slave to the telephone. "It has it's cords on him."

The white stone is a thing they give when someone was declared innocent. The white horse was what the warring king rode. This is what I mean when I talk about holding to the the Historical/Grammatical hermeneutic.

Much love!
Yes, the white horse symbolizes the gospel going out conquering and to conquer. I don't think you read the rest of my post, because you did not comment on anything else.

The white stone is troubling you. What color would you like the stone to have been?
 

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He is not the one going out to take peace from the earth this time (the rider on the red horse is the one Revelation says will go out to take peace from the earth). So that's "the Antichrist" (or "the beast").
Did you know . . . in the second seal, the red horse, that the "great sword" given him is not the large broadsword, used in battle and war? It's the two foot long short sword, used for hand to hand combat, interpersonal fighting. To me this suggests societal violence, that society become hostile to itself.

Then there's the 3rd, the black horse, with balance beam, an economy hostile to man. The 4th horse, green, ecology turns hostile to man.

Perhaps the 1st seal is the same way, as governance becomes hostile to man.

Much love!
 

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Yes, the white horse symbolizes the gospel going out conquering and to conquer. I don't think you read the rest of my post, because you did not comment on anything else.

The white stone is troubling you. What color would you like the stone to have been?
Not troubling me at all actually. My understanding is that it's said to be a "white stone" because that's what they used at the time for that purpose. Now, let's say that "righteousness" were consistently represented in the Revelation as "gold", this would still be a white stone, because that's what they used.

This "white stone" is, for me, an excellent example of applying the historical grammatical hermeneutic.

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Did you know . . . in the second seal, the red horse, that the "great sword" given him is not the large broadsword, used in battle and war? It's the two foot long short sword, used for hand to hand combat, interpersonal fighting. To me this suggests societal violence, that society become hostile to itself.

Then there's the 3rd, the black horse, with balance beam, an economy hostile to man. The 4th horse, green, ecology turns hostile to man.

Perhaps the 1st seal is the same way, as governance becomes hostile to man.

Much love!
Perhaps.

Perhaps one day someone who believes the rider on the first horse is the Atichrist can give me a valid reason why.

PS Tellling me to go look at Old Testament prophecy without even saying where does not suffice (just in case anyone's wondering).
 

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Each prophetic book has symbolism contained in other prophetic books, but each one has some symbolism that's unique to itself.
At the end of the day, I rely on the Bible itself to inform when when something is a symbol, and what that symbol means. It think that when we declare something to be symbolic, we need to show Scripture which makes that declaration, and defines the symbol, or else, simply stated, we lack Scriptural authority.

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In ancient Greece the victor at the ("Olympic") games was given a stephanos. It was an honor bestowed upon him by someone else with the authority and status to crown someone with such a crown.

That's the origin of the stephanos, and it is therefore a crown of honor. Like you say,
The winner of the prize. The Winner's Laurel. Calling it a "crown of honor" extends the meaning past this.

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BTW . . . I tend to like to break discussions into bite sized pieces. I don't mind long posts at all, and I write plenty of them myself. But in replying it's often easier for me to reply to specific items.