The first horseman of the Apocalypse

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Not troubling me at all actually. My understanding is that it's said to be a "white stone" because that's what they used at the time for that purpose. Now, let's say that "righteousness" were consistently represented in the Revelation as "gold", this would still be a white stone, because that's what they used.

This "white stone" is, for me, an excellent example of applying the historical grammatical hermeneutic.

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Talking about hermenutics, it would be really strange if the stone was any other color, so why would the Lord mention the color of the stone at all? Why did He not just say, "a stone"?
 

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Talking about hermenutics, it would be really strange if the stone was any other color, so why would the Lord mention the color of the stone at all? Why did He not just say, "a stone"?
I think He said A White Stone because people would know what He was talking about. In the modern day, we'd say, He'd give an aquittal.

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The winner of the prize. The Winner's Laurel. Calling it a "crown of honor" extends the meaning past this.

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No it doesn't. It was neither a crown of royal authority nor was it a dishonor to be given such a crown (originally it was a wreath). So the only other option is a crown of honor.

Or would you say the stephanos represents something other than honor?
 

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The first horseman of the Apocalypse
OP ^

Apocalypse means:
"Revealing, Disclosure, To take off the cover".

Rev 5;
[1] ...a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5;
[5] ... behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 6:
[1] ... the Lamb opened one of the seals...

Rev 6:
[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Given....TO---->>>
White horse....Power
Bow..Control by weaponry Force.
Crown...Authority
Given....BY----God.

Power, Control, Authority....
Given TO....THE SPIRITUAL ANTI-CHRIST.
^....
REMEMBER...the spiritual anti-Christ, IS Satan, the Devil, Evil, Cunning...and influences MEN OF THE WORLD...through;
LIES, TRICKERY, DECEIT.

Given FOR...Conquering, MEN ON EARTH.
Those AFFECTED....UNSAVED MEN ON EARTH;
WHO....out of FEAR, IGNORANCE, ENTICING TEMPTATIONS, FALSE PROMISES....

REMEMBER...
* Weak, unsaved men are ENTICED, in turn seek POWER....THEN ENTICE ...
THEN FORCES...(ie COMPULSION)...
* Satan, ENTICES...(if that fails)...
THEN KILLS (no force)...

Glory to God,
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Did you know . . . in the second seal, the red horse, that the "great sword" given him is not the large broadsword, used in battle and war? It's the two foot long short sword, used for hand to hand combat, interpersonal fighting. To me this suggests societal violence, that society become hostile to itself.

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By the way, I never knew this, and I checked it up, and you're right, so thanks.
 
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The first horseman of the Apocalypse
OP ^

Apocalypse means:
"Revealing, Disclosure, To take off the cover".

Rev 5;
[1] ...a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5;
[5] ... behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 6:
[1] ... the Lamb opened one of the seals...

Rev 6:
[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Given....TO---->>>
White horse....Power
Bow..Control by weaponry Force.
Crown...Authority
Given....BY----God.

Power, Control, Authority....
Given TO....THE SPIRITUAL ANTI-CHRIST.
^....
REMEMBER...the spiritual anti-Christ, IS Satan, the Devil, Evil, Cunning...and influences MEN OF THE WORLD...through;
LIES, TRICKERY, DECEIT.

Given FOR...Conquering, MEN ON EARTH.
Those AFFECTED....UNSAVED MEN ON EARTH;
WHO....out of FEAR, IGNORANCE, ENTICING TEMPTATIONS, FALSE PROMISES....

REMEMBER...
* Weak, unsaved men are ENTICED, in turn seek POWER....THEN ENTICE ...
THEN FORCES...(ie COMPULSION)...
* Satan, ENTICES...(if that fails)...
THEN KILLS (no force)...

Glory to God,
Taken
Well, all I can say is, I don't agree. For the reasons I've already given in this thread, to me there's absolutely no reason to assume he's the Antichrist (and that's all it is - an assumption).
 

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.. is not the Antichrist.

The color white in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The color gold in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The two different Greek words for "crown" in the Revelation speak louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).
The first horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a white horse (Rev 6:2).
(The second horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a red horse, which is the color of the dragon in Rev 12:3)

PURE GOLD
Rev.1:13 & 20 & 2:1 (golden lampstands, golden band around the breast of the Son of man);
Rev.3:18 (gold tried in the fire);
Rev.4:4 (golden crowns of the 24 elders in heaven);
Rev.5:18 (golden vials full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints);
Rev. 8:3 & 9:13 (golden censer, golden altar);
Rev. 14:14 (golden crown of the Son of man);
Rev.15:6 (golden bands around the angels' chests);
Rev.15:7 (golden bowls of God's wrath);
Rev.21:15 (golden reed to measure the holy city, new Jerusalem);
Rev. 21:18 (the New Jerusalem is a city of pure gold);
Rev.21:21 (the New Jerusalem's street is of pure gold).

GOLD AND WHITE
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see." (Revelation 3:18) (Gold is a metal which must be smelted in great heat in order to purify it).

CROWNS
Stéphanos ("crown): "apparently primary στέφω stéphō, (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, (ie diádēma), literally or figuratively:--crown."

A stéphanos is a crown of honor, and a crown of honor can only be received by a person when someone else with a much higher status (usually a king) bestows it upon him or her. But someone with royal authority wears a diádēma.

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (crown of honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (Whom, as we know, has been given a name above all names),

but in Revelation 19:19 He is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (see Revelation 19:16).

FAKE CROWNS AND FOOLS GOLD
"Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns (stéphanos) similar to gold, and their faces looked like men's faces." (Revelation 9:7)

THE GLORY OF GOD ABUSED BY A HARLOT?
The New Jerusalem is a city of gold with precious stones, gates of pearls, and its street is of gold.(Rev 21:18-21)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." (Revelation 17:4)

The first horseman is absolutely the antichrist, the counterfeit Christ.

He has a bow, and wears just one crown.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Jesus on the white horse has many crowns, not just one, and He uses a sword, not a bow.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

The antichrist comes first, before Jesus does.
 

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The first horseman is absolutely the antichrist, the counterfeit Christ.

He has a bow, and wears just one crown.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Jesus on the white horse has many crowns, not just one, and He uses a sword, not a bow.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

The antichrist comes first, before Jesus does.
I'm not saying it's Jesus on the white horse. I'm saying it's not the Antichrist, and the rider of the white horse has the power of the Commander of the LORD's army behind him (Jesus).

It's the gospel going out. That's what I'm saying.
 

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I consider that birth pangs of Matthew 24,

Matthew 24:5-8 KJV
5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8) All these are the beginning of sorrows.

which are, as travail is, intermittent and increasing, will become continuous conditions of the final 7 years as the seals are opened.

Revelation 6:1-8 KJV
1) And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

False Christ

3) And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4) And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

War

5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Famine

7) And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8) And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Pestilence

I consider the four horsemen to be turning man's environment against him, government, society, economy, and ecology, all turned hostile to man.

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Well, all I can say is, I don't agree. For the reasons I've already given in this thread, to me there's absolutely no reason to assume he's the Antichrist (and that's all it is - an assumption).

No problem.
However the "spiritual" Anti-Christ has been here for 6,000 + years, Influencing people.

I believe, The "World man" leader will possibly be seated, and heavily influence by increased Power, position, authority the "spiritual" Anti-Christ. "Satan" is "given".

The First great tribulation, the Earth was destroyed with the Earth. Appears the Second and Last great tribulation, the earth will be destroyed with Evil Spirits and Wicked men.

Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The Beginning of The Tribulation, IS (opening of seals) to release The Lambs WRATH, (for disbelief IN Him)

Rev 6:
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

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No problem.
However the "spiritual" Anti-Christ has been here for 6,000 + years, Influencing people.

I believe, The "World man" leader will possibly be seated, and heavily influence by increased Power, position, authority the "spiritual" Anti-Christ. "Satan" is "given".

The First great tribulation, the Earth was destroyed with the Earth. Appears the Second and Last great tribulation, the earth will be destroyed with Evil Spirits and Wicked men.

Gen 6:
[13] And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The Beginning of The Tribulation, IS (opening of seals) to release The Lambs WRATH, (for disbelief IN Him)

Rev 6:
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Are the seals the events, or the seals that seal the apocalypse (unveiling) of the events?
 

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The gospel conquers. It's conquered since the 1st century.

Romans 8
37 But in all these things we more than conquer through Him who loved us.

You don't see that this is taking this verse out of context?

This does not who the Gospel going forth to conquer.

This is us conquering over our circumstances.

Romans 8:35-39 KJV
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Much love!
 

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You don't see that this is taking this verse out of context?

This does not who the Gospel going forth to conquer.

This is us conquering over our circumstances.

Romans 8:35-39 KJV
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Much love!
I can't believe that you don't believe that the gospel conquers.

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and kindred and tongue and people,
7 saying with a great voice, Fear God and give glory to Him! For the hour of His judgment has come. And worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

I'm starting to think you may be playing around today, just throwing out arguments for argument's sake.

The Revelation uses apocalyptic language, like all Biblical prophecy. The horses and their riders are symbolizing things taking place. They are not literal horses. Their riders are probably not literal riders either. It's the same apocalyptic language of the horses in Zechariah chapter 1. They were not literal horses but they symbolized events.
 
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I can't believe that you don't believe that the gospel conquers.
It's not a matter of my opinions, or what words I use to express them. I look at what the Bible itself teaches, and the words God used.

In this case . . . you are saying, this one who goes out conquering, and to conquer, that this means the Gospel going forth. So I ask . . . Does the Bible in fact speak that way?

I know you speak that way. You seem suprised I don't. But does God speak that way? I don't know where.

I'm starting to think you may be playng around today, just throwing out arguments for argument's sake.

Not playing at all. I don't really do that.

Much love!
 

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I can't believe that you don't believe that the gospel conquers.
And why the need to take a verse about us conquering over our circumstances, and present that as a prooftext of the Gospel conquering in the world?

These things are red flags to me. Maybe a fresh look is in order.

Much love!