Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
Last edited:

dismas

Member
Jul 10, 2011
74
6
8
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I agree with a literal (-ish) 70 weeks prophecy.

This is just my speculation:

If we use the Abraham Accord as the start of the 'call to rebuild Jerusalem' (it seems to mainly be an economic development package), that would mean Tuesday Sept. 15, 2020 started this 70 weeks. Looking at the prophecy, there is an 'anointed one' (messiah) at the 7 week marker, 62 week marker, and the 69 week marker (and a 70 week marker implied).

At the 7 week marker was the 2020 US election day, Tuesday Nov. 3, 2020, which elected Joe Biden.
At the 62 week marker, it seems to say that there is an anointed one that dies and then a replacement that 'confirms the covenant' and breaks it in the middle of the week - thus, on Nov 23, 2021, it seems to be a potential day for Biden to die and be replaced with the Daniel 8 Little Horn (the king of Tyre) because when we go 3.5 days later, we get to dusk Nov. 27, 2021 (24 Kislev). If we add 1150 days (2300 evenings & mornings = 1150 days from Dan 8:14), then we get to Jan 20, 2025, the US Presidential Inauguration Day. (Isaiah 1:26 says that God will restore the judges/ rulers as it was before.)
At the 69 week marker, ?

Going by Daniel 10:13-20, 1st comes Gog (the ruler of Persia) for 21 days, then comes the ruler of Greece which is the Daniel 8 Little Horn, the king of Tyre. ('Greece' is better translated as 'Javan' who has 4 sons/ descendants: Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and the Rodanites (Gen 10:4) and Tyre is called the 'daughter of Tarshish' in Isaiah 23:10, making the king of Tyre the 'horn' that comes out of Javan and then Tarshish.)

So, if dusk Nov 27, 2021 is the start of the 1150 days (start of the Dan 8 Little Horn/ king of Tyre), then 21 days before that would be Saturday dusk Nov 6, 2021, which could be the 'winter/ sabbath start to the great tribulation. The abomination would be on Halloween (an image to the beast seems pretty easy to get here) which is the exact middle of the 7 years between the 70th year (mentioned in Daniel 9:2) and the 77th year of Israel/ Jerusalem's desolations. (dusk April 19, 2018 as the Hebrew 70th anniversary and May 14, 2025 on the 77th solar anniversary gives us Halloween as the 1290th day between these 2 days.)
 

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I agree with a literal (-ish) 70 weeks prophecy.

This is just my speculation:

If we use the Abraham Accord as the start of the 'call to rebuild Jerusalem' (it seems to mainly be an economic development package), that would mean Tuesday Sept. 15, 2020 started this 70 weeks. Looking at the prophecy, there is an 'anointed one' (messiah) at the 7 week marker, 62 week marker, and the 69 week marker (and a 70 week marker implied).

At the 7 week marker was the 2020 US election day, Tuesday Nov. 3, 2020, which elected Joe Biden.
At the 62 week marker, it seems to say that there is an anointed one that dies and then a replacement that 'confirms the covenant' and breaks it in the middle of the week - thus, on Nov 23, 2021, it seems to be a potential day for Biden to die and be replaced with the Daniel 8 Little Horn (the king of Tyre) because when we go 3.5 days later, we get to dusk Nov. 27, 2021 (24 Kislev). If we add 1150 days (2300 evenings & mornings = 1150 days from Dan 8:14), then we get to Jan 20, 2025, the US Presidential Inauguration Day. (Isaiah 1:26 says that God will restore the judges/ rulers as it was before.)
At the 69 week marker, ?

Going by Daniel 10:13-20, 1st comes Gog (the ruler of Persia) for 21 days, then comes the ruler of Greece which is the Daniel 8 Little Horn, the king of Tyre. ('Greece' is better translated as 'Javan' who has 4 sons/ descendants: Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and the Rodanites (Gen 10:4) and Tyre is called the 'daughter of Tarshish' in Isaiah 23:10, making the king of Tyre the 'horn' that comes out of Javan and then Tarshish.)

So, if dusk Nov 27, 2021 is the start of the 1150 days (start of the Dan 8 Little Horn/ king of Tyre), then 21 days before that would be Saturday dusk Nov 6, 2021, which could be the 'winter/ sabbath start to the great tribulation. The abomination would be on Halloween (an image to the beast seems pretty easy to get here) which is the exact middle of the 7 years between the 70th year (mentioned in Daniel 9:2) and the 77th year of Israel/ Jerusalem's desolations. (dusk April 19, 2018 as the Hebrew 70th anniversary and May 14, 2025 on the 77th solar anniversary gives us Halloween as the 1290th day between these 2 days.)
Thanks for the response

That's a whole bunch of date setting and speculation?
 

Naomi25

Well-Known Member
Aug 10, 2016
3,199
1,801
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Yeah…okay…that’s certainly an interesting take. But, like pretty much every other take, the only way we’ll really know who’s “interpretation” of Daniel’s 70 weeks is correct, is when we’ve seen them fulfilled.
For me, most interpretations include just a bit too much speculation and numerology and not enough external biblical support (from other books of the bible or passages). As we know, numerology can be made to look profound in almost any way, and speculation means nothing, even if it is interesting.
Do you have any other passages you can link with your idea?
 

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yeah…okay…that’s certainly an interesting take. But, like pretty much every other take, the only way we’ll really know who’s “interpretation” of Daniel’s 70 weeks is correct, is when we’ve seen them fulfilled.
For me, most interpretations include just a bit too much speculation and numerology and not enough external biblical support (from other books of the bible or passages). As we know, numerology can be made to look profound in almost any way, and speculation means nothing, even if it is interesting.
Do you have any other passages you can link with your idea?
The scripture is very simple, Daniel states 70 weeks, not 490 years, keep an eye open when a future command to rebuild Jerusalem to their coming Messiah, AKA the Antichrist takes place, it will be world news

The weeks of year theory was popularized by occultist Sir Isaac Newton,who was involved in numerology in the Kabbalah, he was also an adherent of Rosicrucianism and Alchemy (The Occult)

His teachings are found in his book (Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John 1733) chapter 10, Sir Robert Anderson the Scotland Yard Cop followed and promoted his teachings, as did dispensationalism's John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield
 

Naomi25

Well-Known Member
Aug 10, 2016
3,199
1,801
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
The scripture is very simple, Daniel states 70 weeks, not 490 years, keep an eye open when a future command to rebuild Jerusalem to their coming Messiah, AKA the Antichrist takes place, it will be world news

The weeks of year theory was popularized by occultist Sir Isaac Newton,who was involved in numerology in the Kabbalah, he was also an adherent of Rosicrucianism and Alchemy (The Occult)

His teachings are found in his book (Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John 1733) chapter 10, Sir Robert Anderson the Scotland Yard Cop followed and promoted his teachings, as did dispensationalism's John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield
No…it’s not “simple”. It’s a heptad. It’s a group of ‘seven’.
Strong’s Concordance lists as definition: “a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week”.
Which means these groups, these ‘weeks’ of seven, could be, but are not limited to, actual weeks. Again…I see little support, for or against, in current ‘schemes’ to warrant either. Although, I must say that in favour of those who claim the heptads are ‘weeks of years’ is the fact that King Cyrus did, in fact, make an order. And some 490 (or so, forgive me for not taking the time to double check those figures) later Jesus was crucified.

I am little impressed by who can lay claim to have believed in whatever scheme. I think you’ll find that throughout history many a bad actor has believed in and vouched for solid doctrine, and many a good man has been swayed by idiotic ideas. Which is why I would dearly love to see biblical texts that form a foundation for whatever scheme is being presented, followed up with more biblically text to support it. The idea that neither can be produced is problematic to me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marks

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
No…it’s not “simple”. It’s a heptad. It’s a group of ‘seven’.
Strong’s Concordance lists as definition: “a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week”.
Which means these groups, these ‘weeks’ of seven, could be, but are not limited to, actual weeks. Again…I see little support, for or against, in current ‘schemes’ to warrant either. Although, I must say that in favour of those who claim the heptads are ‘weeks of years’ is the fact that King Cyrus did, in fact, make an order. And some 490 (or so, forgive me for not taking the time to double check those figures) later Jesus was crucified.

I am little impressed by who can lay claim to have believed in whatever scheme. I think you’ll find that throughout history many a bad actor has believed in and vouched for solid doctrine, and many a good man has been swayed by idiotic ideas. Which is why I would dearly love to see biblical texts that form a foundation for whatever scheme is being presented, followed up with more biblically text to support it. The idea that neither can be produced is problematic to me.
If you follow Dispensationalism's claims on the 70 weeks, you must account for a 70th week of Millennia, a 2,000 year gap to make their formula work, that's aesop's fables, as pinocchio's nose grows

Dispensationalism's weeks of years is a fabricated fairy tale of man, just as Daniel stated 70 weeks, that's exactly what it is, 490 future days that will begin with a future command to build, keep your eyes open

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord
 

Naomi25

Well-Known Member
Aug 10, 2016
3,199
1,801
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
If you follow Dispensationalism's claims on the 70 weeks, you must account for a 70th week of Millennia, a 2,000 year gap to make their formula work, that's aesop's fables, as pinocchio's nose grows

Dispensationalism's weeks of years is a fabricated fairy tale of man, just as Daniel stated 70 weeks, that's exactly what it is, 490 future days that will begin with a future command to build, keep your eyes open

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord
I’m not a Dispensationalist. Probably the other end of the spectrum, to be honest. But I dislike narrowing oneself into a system. What does the bible say? What can be proven FROM the bible? Where does other bible passages back it up? I don’t give a toss if you’re a Dispie or Partial Preterist….if you can’t show me from scripture, I’m not going to accept what you’re trying to tell me.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marks

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I’m not a Dispensationalist. Probably the other end of the spectrum, to be honest. But I dislike narrowing oneself into a system. What does the bible say? What can be proven FROM the bible? Where does other bible passages back it up? I don’t give a toss if you’re a Dispie or Partial Preterist….if you can’t show me from scripture, I’m not going to accept what you’re trying to tell me.
I never stated you were a dispensationalist

I stated if you follow dispensationalism's claims, a big difference
 

Zao is life

Well-Known Member
Oct 3, 2020
3,053
1,206
113
Africa
zaoislife.blogspot.com
Faith
Christian
Country
South Africa
I agree with a literal (-ish) 70 weeks prophecy.

This is just my speculation:

If we use the Abraham Accord as the start of the 'call to rebuild Jerusalem' (it seems to mainly be an economic development package), that would mean Tuesday Sept. 15, 2020 started this 70 weeks. Looking at the prophecy, there is an 'anointed one' (messiah) at the 7 week marker, 62 week marker, and the 69 week marker (and a 70 week marker implied).

At the 7 week marker was the 2020 US election day, Tuesday Nov. 3, 2020, which elected Joe Biden.
At the 62 week marker, it seems to say that there is an anointed one that dies and then a replacement that 'confirms the covenant' and breaks it in the middle of the week - thus, on Nov 23, 2021, it seems to be a potential day for Biden to die and be replaced with the Daniel 8 Little Horn (the king of Tyre) because when we go 3.5 days later, we get to dusk Nov. 27, 2021 (24 Kislev). If we add 1150 days (2300 evenings & mornings = 1150 days from Dan 8:14), then we get to Jan 20, 2025, the US Presidential Inauguration Day. (Isaiah 1:26 says that God will restore the judges/ rulers as it was before.)
At the 69 week marker, ?

Going by Daniel 10:13-20, 1st comes Gog (the ruler of Persia) for 21 days, then comes the ruler of Greece which is the Daniel 8 Little Horn, the king of Tyre. ('Greece' is better translated as 'Javan' who has 4 sons/ descendants: Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and the Rodanites (Gen 10:4) and Tyre is called the 'daughter of Tarshish' in Isaiah 23:10, making the king of Tyre the 'horn' that comes out of Javan and then Tarshish.)

So, if dusk Nov 27, 2021 is the start of the 1150 days (start of the Dan 8 Little Horn/ king of Tyre), then 21 days before that would be Saturday dusk Nov 6, 2021, which could be the 'winter/ sabbath start to the great tribulation. The abomination would be on Halloween (an image to the beast seems pretty easy to get here) which is the exact middle of the 7 years between the 70th year (mentioned in Daniel 9:2) and the 77th year of Israel/ Jerusalem's desolations. (dusk April 19, 2018 as the Hebrew 70th anniversary and May 14, 2025 on the 77th solar anniversary gives us Halloween as the 1290th day between these 2 days.)
The prophecy is about the Messiah (Jesus), not about Biden.
 

Zao is life

Well-Known Member
Oct 3, 2020
3,053
1,206
113
Africa
zaoislife.blogspot.com
Faith
Christian
Country
South Africa
After March comes April.
After Saturday comes Sunday.
After your 21st birthday you were living in the 22nd year of your life.

In verse 26 is says, "And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end of it shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end shall be war."

The fact that it was said that the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary means that this can be taken to mean 40 years later, or (if you really want to go crazy), 2,000 years later.

But the fact that it says the Messiah would be cut off after the (seven plus) sixty-two weeks means that you have to willfully ignore the fact that the 70th week is the week in which the Messiah was cut off.

The Jews of the first century understood this. Many Rabbis even today understand this, though they believe it means the Messiah is 2,000 years late.

It was because of their rejection of Christ and the overspreading of abominations that the temple was destroyed. To deny this is to deny Jesus' own words not only in the Olivet Discourse, but also to the Pharisees:

Matthew 23
38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
39 For I say to you, You shall not see Me from now on until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

So you can go crazy and cut 'n paste Daniel 9:27 (Christians are good at going crazy with the scriptures). But you either don't go crazy and place the destruction of the temple where it belongs (A.D 70), or you go crazy and cut it out from the first century and shove it like a square peg into the round hole of seven-year tribulationism.

I can't say "the choice is yours" because scripture does not actually give you the liberty of going crazy with any scripture.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cassandra

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
After March comes April.
After Saturday comes Sunday.
After your 21st birthday you were living in the 22nd year of your life.

In verse 26 is says, "And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end of it shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end shall be war."

The fact that it was said that the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary means that this can be taken to mean 40 years later, or (if you really want to go crazy), 2,000 years later.

But the fact that it says the Messiah would be cut off after the (seven plus) sixty-two weeks means that you have to willfully ignore the fact that the 70th week is the week in which the Messiah was cut off.

The Jews of the first century understood this. Many Rabbis even today understand this, though they believe it means the Messiah is 2,000 years late.

It was because of their rejection of Christ and the overspreading of abominations that the temple was destroyed. To deny this is to deny Jesus' own words not only in the Olivet Discourse, but also to the Pharisees:

Matthew 23
38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
39 For I say to you, You shall not see Me from now on until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

So you can go crazy and cut 'n paste Daniel 9:27 (Christians are good at going crazy with the scriptures). But you either don't go crazy and place the destruction of the temple where it belongs (A.D 70), or you go crazy and cut it out from the first century and shove it like a square peg into the round hole of seven-year tribulationism.

I can't say "the choice is yours" because scripture does not actually give you the liberty of going crazy with any scripture.
Crazy, Big Smiles!

The bad guy below that causes Daniel's AOD in Matthew 24:15 will be present on earth to the (consummation) the ultimate end

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 70AD

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

Zao is life

Well-Known Member
Oct 3, 2020
3,053
1,206
113
Africa
zaoislife.blogspot.com
Faith
Christian
Country
South Africa
Crazy, Big Smiles!

The bad guy below that causes Daniel's AOD in Matthew 24:15 will be present on earth to the (consummation) the ultimate end

Scripture clearly teaches that the event is future, and didnt take place in 70AD

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummatingthe consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Yep. The temple was indeed completely consumed in 70 A.D, and there was indeed war up to the end of it. Lots of wars breaking out between the Jews and their Roman occupiers, ending in the final war 66-70 A.D which resulted in the destruction of the temple. The prince of the ruler was Titus, the Roman General who destroyed Jerusalem and its temple and later became Caesar.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cassandra

Timtofly

Well-Known Member
Apr 9, 2020
8,272
581
113
Mount Morris
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
After March comes April.
After Saturday comes Sunday.
After your 21st birthday you were living in the 22nd year of your life.

In verse 26 is says, "And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And the end of it shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, until the end shall be war."

The fact that it was said that the ruler who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary means that this can be taken to mean 40 years later, or (if you really want to go crazy), 2,000 years later.

But the fact that it says the Messiah would be cut off after the (seven plus) sixty-two weeks means that you have to willfully ignore the fact that the 70th week is the week in which the Messiah was cut off.

The Jews of the first century understood this. Many Rabbis even today understand this, though they believe it means the Messiah is 2,000 years late.

It was because of their rejection of Christ and the overspreading of abominations that the temple was destroyed. To deny this is to deny Jesus' own words not only in the Olivet Discourse, but also to the Pharisees:

Matthew 23
38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate.
39 For I say to you, You shall not see Me from now on until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

So you can go crazy and cut 'n paste Daniel 9:27 (Christians are good at going crazy with the scriptures). But you either don't go crazy and place the destruction of the temple where it belongs (A.D 70), or you go crazy and cut it out from the first century and shove it like a square peg into the round hole of seven-year tribulationism.

I can't say "the choice is yours" because scripture does not actually give you the liberty of going crazy with any scripture.
Daniel 9:26 is only about Jesus the annointed ruler that shall come. It is not about any other ruler nor kingdom.

Jesus' own people brought on their own destruction.

The first half of the 70th week is Jesus as the announted one. The second half will be at the Second Coming and Jesus as ruler. That is what Gabriel the archangel declared.

Later we see Gabriel telling Mary that Jesus would be born. Did Paul reference the same archangel, Gabriel who would announce the Second Coming with the Trump of God? That the Second Coming is the unknown surprise event does not make it a silent one. An archangel will announce it, even if Paul was not allowed to name the archangel.
 

LiveByFaith

New Member
Aug 29, 2021
12
4
3
Minnesota
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel didn't say this, Gabriel did. If we assume that Daniel wrote down exactly what Gabriel said with no edits, than you can't really use Daniel's writing style in other parts of the book to help you interpret this.

According to my Hebrew lexicon, the word that was translated as 'weeks' in this passage can mean two different things:
1. A period of seven days
2. A period of seven years

The scripture is very simple, Daniel states 70 weeks, not 490 years, keep an eye open when a future command to rebuild Jerusalem to their coming Messiah, AKA the Antichrist takes place, it will be world news

The weeks of year theory was popularized by occultist Sir Isaac Newton,who was involved in numerology in the Kabbalah, he was also an adherent of Rosicrucianism and Alchemy (The Occult)

This fact doesn't really matter. The big thing that matters is what Gabriel meant when he spoke these words, and how the Jewish people of Daniel's day would have interpreted them. Modern experts in Hebrew tell us that people during that time sometimes used this term to mean seven years so that absolutely has to be one of the options you look at when you interpret this passage.

There is also evidence elsewhere in the bible itself that the term 'week' can sometimes mean seven years. See Genesis 29:15-30 where Jacob refers to his seven years of service to Laban as a week.

As to the 2000 year gap, Gabriel tells us that the 70 weeks has been decreed "for your people and your holy city" - in other words for Israel and Jerusalem. Since the arrival of the Holy Spirit after Jesus death we are now in the time of the Church and the Holy Spirit and the focus is no longer on Israel. This is a reasonable explanation for the 2000 year gap between week 69 and 70. Once the time of the church is complete and the 'restrainer' in 2 Thess 2 (the Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way, that would signify the start of the 70th week.

Notice in Daniel 9:27 that there will be a end of sacrifice and grain offerings, things that are unique to Israel and not the church, and also things which Israel has been unable to do at the temple since 70 AD. This is a little more evidence for the time gap and that Israel will get their temple rebuilt and the focus will move back to Israel.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NewMusic

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Daniel didn't say this, Gabriel did. If we assume that Daniel wrote down exactly what Gabriel said with no edits, than you can't really use Daniel's writing style in other parts of the book to help you interpret this.

According to my Hebrew lexicon, the word that was translated as 'weeks' in this passage can mean two different things:
1. A period of seven days
2. A period of seven years



This fact doesn't really matter. The big thing that matters is what Gabriel meant when he spoke these words, and how the Jewish people of Daniel's day would have interpreted them. Modern experts in Hebrew tell us that people during that time sometimes used this term to mean seven years so that absolutely has to be one of the options you look at when you interpret this passage.

There is also evidence elsewhere in the bible itself that the term 'week' can sometimes mean seven years. See Genesis 29:15-30 where Jacob refers to his seven years of service to Laban as a week.

As to the 2000 year gap, Gabriel tells us that the 70 weeks has been decreed "for your people and your holy city" - in other words for Israel and Jerusalem. Since the arrival of the Holy Spirit after Jesus death we are now in the time of the Church and the Holy Spirit and the focus is no longer on Israel. This is a reasonable explanation for the 2000 year gap between week 69 and 70. Once the time of the church is complete and the 'restrainer' in 2 Thess 2 (the Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way, that would signify the start of the 70th week.

Notice in Daniel 9:27 that there will be a end of sacrifice and grain offerings, things that are unique to Israel and not the church, and also things which Israel has been unable to do at the temple since 70 AD. This is a little more evidence for the time gap and that Israel will get their temple rebuilt and the focus will move back to Israel.
We Will Disagree, If God intended 70 weeks to mean 490 years it would have been written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) It's Not

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
 

LiveByFaith

New Member
Aug 29, 2021
12
4
3
Minnesota
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
We Will Disagree, If God intended 70 weeks to mean 490 years it would have been written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) It's Not

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

OK, but why do you believe that? The bible is literally filled with places where God did not say exactly what was intended, at least in the manner you are implying.

There are prophecies about beasts and dragons and dry bones, there are parables spoken by Jesus that even his closest disciples didn't understand, there are Mosaic laws that say one thing but really mean another (1 Cor 9:9-10). It seems to me that God has a really, really long history of saying things that mean something completely different from what the individual words would imply.

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I don't think this passage means what you think it means. You forgot the surrounding verses which clarify what is being said. To paraphrase, Peter is saying that prophets aren't just making stuff up of their own accord, what they say comes directly from God so it is reliable and you should pay attention to it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NewMusic

Naomi25

Well-Known Member
Aug 10, 2016
3,199
1,801
113
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I never stated you were a dispensationalist

I stated if you follow dispensationalism's claims, a big difference
I never said you said. I merely informed you that I was not, and that therefore I did not fit within their system and need to make their ‘numbers work’.
I did point out that for me, above ‘system’ was being able to prove something biblically. And here’s the rub. For all that Dispensationalists tend to make leaps and jumps and assumptions….I haven’t really seen anything more biblically solid from you. Your ideas are asserted by your own claims of ‘what is the right interpretation’…just as theirs are.
So…I repeat my request…if your adamant that your interpretation is superior to others, then hows about backing it up with scripture, rather than Miriam-Webster?
 
  • Like
Reactions: marks

Truth7t7

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2014
10,760
3,214
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
OK, but why do you believe that? The bible is literally filled with places where God did not say exactly what was intended, at least in the manner you are implying.

There are prophecies about beasts and dragons and dry bones, there are parables spoken by Jesus that even his closest disciples didn't understand, there are Mosaic laws that say one thing but really mean another (1 Cor 9:9-10). It seems to me that God has a really, really long history of saying things that mean something completely different from what the individual words would imply.



I don't think this passage means what you think it means. You forgot the surrounding verses which clarify what is being said. To paraphrase, Peter is saying that prophets aren't just making stuff up of their own accord, what they say comes directly from God so it is reliable and you should pay attention to it.
I fully agree there is symbolic representations in the bible

Just one more example, The standard interpretation of Daniel gives a 2,000 year gap to reach the 70th week, now we know that's a fairy tale

To claim 70 weeks really means 490 years?
This puts the text into a private interpretation

We Will Disagree, If God intended 70 weeks to mean 490 years it would have been written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) It's Not

2 Peter 1:20KJV
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
 
Last edited:

farouk

Well-Known Member
Jan 21, 2009
30,790
19,230
113
North America
I never said you said. I merely informed you that I was not, and that therefore I did not fit within their system and need to make their ‘numbers work’.
I did point out that for me, above ‘system’ was being able to prove something biblically. And here’s the rub. For all that Dispensationalists tend to make leaps and jumps and assumptions….I haven’t really seen anything more biblically solid from you. Your ideas are asserted by your own claims of ‘what is the right interpretation’…just as theirs are.
So…I repeat my request…if your adamant that your interpretation is superior to others, then hows about backing it up with scripture, rather than Miriam-Webster?
@Naomi25 In the end it's about seeing a pattern in Scripture, diligently studied, rather than projecting a system onto Scripture...right? :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Truth7t7