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Postmillenial Partial Preterism...What is it? A Victorious View of the Gospel.
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Your ignorance to scripture is showing, let God be true and every man a liar Romans 3:4
Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Davy
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The OP is ALL TETHERS OF MAN.
(A tether is like a rope hooked to a post in the ground with the other end tied to an animal.)
Men's seminary doctrines are tethers that will 'limit' one's Bible understanding from God.
Follow God's Word line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, like He showed in Isaiah, while asking Him for understanding through Christ Jesus, and you will go way... past those tethers of man!
(A tether is like a rope hooked to a post in the ground with the other end tied to an animal.)
Men's seminary doctrines are tethers that will 'limit' one's Bible understanding from God.
Follow God's Word line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, like He showed in Isaiah, while asking Him for understanding through Christ Jesus, and you will go way... past those tethers of man!
Ronald Nolette
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Well China is cracking down hard on freedom, Russia is as well. th emiddle east is advancing in hard line (Afghanistan, Turkey just went Islam)
US liberals are moving at hyper speed to destroy the constitution and set up an even more unconstitutional massive federal government.
Ronald Nolette
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And He holds to covenant theology, believes in replacement theology and is more of an allegorist than literalist.
And no I had no clue who Gentry was. I have several degrees and have taught in bible college and bible institute and taught in several churches. That doesn't make me right nor does it make Gentry right.
He sounds amillenialist or poat millenialsit which makes Him wrong in his eschatology and view of the relationship and distinctions between Israel and teh chruch.
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I fully agree, yes I believe we are in the last days, if not the final hours
When will the Man Of Sin be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be God Messiah returned, I'm watching!
I watched a documentary on China, and their millions of cameras in facial recognition, everywhere, parks, crosswalks, shopping areas, housing complexes for entrance
They have a grading system, that profiles society, if your in the park to long in groups, the group goes from green to red, with this being recorded in social scores
Who visits your home, as all entrances and exits are recorded using biometric devices, everything is building social scores, that determine travel within and outside of China, and to obtain work and housing
I know California has put millions of government cameras throughout the state, freeways, stop lights, boat launch ramps, you name it, are they being monitored using facial recognition, of course they are
Does big tech monitor users with predetermined buzz words, creating their own social scores, I believe so
Dont forget the cell phone, that has biometric capability, with your GPS position, cameras, microphone, and no longer having "removable batteries", no I'm not paranoid, just a realist!
Just about every app downloaded of Google store, gives big tech exclusive rights and permissions for "Full Control" of your device, calls, texts, pictures with dates, use of cameras and mic, a fact
George Orwell 1984 has been around for a while, and this is why big tech and the liberals are in bed together, for total control, and yes destruction of our constitution
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Ronald Nolette
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Well where the antichrist is revealed, I know not. Whether the church is here when the antichrist is revealed, I know not. But He will show Himself absolutely when He signs the 7 year deal with Israel, for whatever the covenant covers.
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Gentry falsely teaches partial Preterism
He teaches the AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 and Grear Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled
He falsely teaches the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 is a symbolic judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem, and not Jesus actually returning in the clouds of heaven
Gentry falsely teaches Zechariah 14 was fulfilled in 70AD
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Scripture Is Very Clear, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To Witness The Man Of Sin Revealed
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Ronald Nolette
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And still just as wrong about the bible as a full amillenialist. I don't care if he has more degrees than a thermometer.
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Gods words are very clear Ron, Jesus returns in fire and Final judgement (The End) as you have been shown several times, it's fire time at the Lords return, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement
You have been shown that Revelation 20:4-6 is in the Lords spiritual realm of no time, as Millennialist claim (The Souls) and (The Dead) represent those in a earthly Millennial Kingdom, "Error"
You have been shown several times, Jesus returns in the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 (Then Cometh The End) when death is swallowed up in victory, there is no Millennium on earth to follow
You have been shown that the many claims of Millennialist regarding Isaiah chapters 11 & 65, this represents the Eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as claimed
Just a few mentions regarding the claims of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth
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That day refers to the start of the tribulation and no the church won't be here.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. (see verse 12 above.)
1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. (see vses 16&17 above)
Isaiah 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isaiah 24:21
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
Isaiah 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem
Joel 1:15
Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joel 2:1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joel 2:11
And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Zechariah 2:11
And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
Zechariah 12:4
In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
Zechariah 14:1
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
amongst scores more . the day of the Lord is the 70th week of Daniel or the tribulation of seven years.
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"Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means"
Scripture Is Very Clear, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To Witness The Man Of Sin Revealed, You're In Denial Of Gods Words Before Your Eyes
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Sorry, but I do not despise teachers God has given to His Church.
You cannot begin to refute anything posted here. If you feel you can, go for it.!
The people Paul wrote to knew who he was.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Paul wrote to them, before 70ad, not you.
A yet you cannot refute anything he wrote,,,imagine that.
You are quick to set aside a gifted and trained person, and cannot answer anything he has written.
You two skip over it and make believe as if he has not answered your speculations about chips, renewed animal sacrifice and other such absurdities.
Truth7t7,
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[He teaches the AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 and Grear Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled
He falsely teaches the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 is a symbolic judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem, and not Jesus actually returning in the clouds of heaven]
The judgment was quite literal just as Jesus taught, not one stone left upon another.
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[He teaches the AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 and Grear Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled
He falsely teaches the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 is a symbolic judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem, and not Jesus actually returning in the clouds of heaven]
The judgment was quite literal just as Jesus taught, not one stone left upon another.
Davy
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Nor do I despise 'actual' teachers that God has sent. I just despise the FALSE TEACHERS that creep into the pulpit which God did not call, and also their little organizational systems they create designed to mislead His people.
Lord Jesus warned about the doctrines of men you actually support which He did not...
Matt 9:16-17
16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
KJV
The "old garment" and the "old bottles" represent the same idea as the tether, i.e., men's traditions.
The old garment won't accept the piece of new cloth, and the old bottles will break if the new wine is put into them.
Mark 8:15-21
15 And He charged them, saying: "Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."
16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying: Because we have no bread.
17 Which Jesus knowing, saith to them: "Why do you reason, because you have no bread? do you not yet know nor understand? have you still your heart blinded?
18 Having eyes, see you not? and having ears, hear you not? neither do you remember.
19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took you up?" They say to Him, "Twelve."
20 "When also the seven loaves among four thousand, how many baskets of fragments took you up?" And they say to Him, "Seven."
21 And He said to them: "How do you not yet understand?"
Douay-Rheims
Quoting these verses does not make your wild assertions credible. Dr. Gentry has forgotten more scripture than you will ever know.
I notice you do not actually quote what he offers and show it to be false. Your offering of these verses does not begin to make your case.
Davy
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In ALL the leaven doctrines of men, there will always be some truths that God's Word agrees with. But there also will be untruths added which God's Word does not... agree with. Jesus warned of these added ideas, called them leaven doctrines of men. He used the miracle of the loaves and fishes with the many 'fragments' His disciples gathered up after the miracle as a symbol for them. Those 'fragments' represent men's leaven doctrines added to the pure uncorrupted Loaf of God's Word. The only way to be aware of them is by always staying in God's Holy Writ as written, as the Measure, and compare.
The Problem with Men's Leaven Traditions, and the Result They Produce:
1. Partial Preterism -- partial preterism disregards the Bible prophecies for the end which especially includes what Lord Jesus gave His Church to be watching leading up to His coming. They treat most of Revelation as dead history, when of course it is not. THE RESULT FOR THE BLIND WHO FOLLOW PRETERISM: DECEPTION AT THE END.
1a. Full Preterism -- man's doctrine that believes Christ's 2nd coming is NOT a literal physical return, but a spiritual return, and that He has already... fulfilled that back in history! THE RESULT FOR ITS FOLLOWERS: DECEPTION AT THE END.
2. Pre-tribulational Rapture -- rejects Christ's Signs of warning for the very end of this world that He gave His Church to be watching, i.e., His Olivet discourse. Pushes a false 'secret' coming and gathering of the Church prior to the "great tribulation", when Jesus was emphatic that His coming to gather His Church is AFTER... the tribulation (per His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13). This is why the Pre-trib doctors lie and tell their members that Christ's Olivet discourse does not apply to Christ's Church. The false claim that these use a 'literal' interpretation of Scripture becomes apparent by their abject denial of many things actually written in Bible Scripture, like Jesus's coming to gather His Church after... the tribulation, per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.
3. Historicism -- attempts to associate all Old Testament history with historical events, for the purpose of declaring that the Old Testament events are dead history. That idea of course is false, and it really doesn't take much OT Bible study to realize it. There is still MUCH Bible prophecy in the Old Testament Books of God's prophets that has still yet come to pass, even prophecy for Christ's future Millennium reign, and even into God's Eternity!! Listening to this seminary leaven doctrine of men, THE RESULT: DECEPTION AT THE END OF THIS WORLD.
4. Reformed -- this is about the classic Protestant rebellion back in the days of Martin Luther and forward. The Reformers thought the pope was the Biblical Antichrist for the end, and they thought they were living in the days they would see Christ's return because of the pope's persecution of Protestants. The end time prophecies didn't happen like they thought. But still today, there are Church systems that follow much of the old Reformer's ideas against the pope and the Roman Church, still treating today's pope as the coming Antichrist at the end of this world. Sorry, the pope is not the Antichrist. The Antichrist, or pseudo-Christ actually per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:23-26, is to proclaim himself as God in Jerusalem (also per Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9). THE RESULT: DECEPTION IN THE LAST DAYS WHEN THE REAL ANTICHRIST SHOWS UP IN JERUSALEM WORKING GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS, AND PROCLAIMING HIMSELF AS GOD.
5. Dispensationalism -- this leaven doctrine of man began with John Nelson Darby, the first also to preach a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory in a Christian Church in 1830's Great Britain. Darby took the various generations recorded in God's Word and made sections of events in the progress of God's people. He separated God's Israel from the Church, both in this world, and in the world to come, an idea which God's Word does not support. This separation of Israel and the Church was designed to support Darby's pre-trib rapture theory, as that theory proposes the Church is raptured to heaven prior to the tribulation, while Israel remains on earth to suffer the great tribulation, an idea which God's Word in no way teaches. RESULT: DECEPTION TO THE FALSE MESSIAH AT THE END OF THIS WORLD; THEY WILL THINK THAT'S JESUS COME TO RAPTURE THEM.
6. Hyper-Dispensationalism -- those like E.W. Bullinger, Charles Welch, etc. This leaven doctrine suggests that only Apostle Paul's Epistles in The New Testament are relevant to Christ's Church. It's really a silly leaven doctrine trap, because the early disciples of Christ's Church were all Jewish (of the historical "house of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea). So how could Paul's Epistles not also apply to Jewish converts to Christ, since even Apostle Paul himself was a Jew? Any believer that studies about the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad, and how many of them have believed on Jesus Christ while scattered among the Gentiles, well knows they also are part of Christ's Church. The Hyper-Dispensationalist theory is actually just another FALSE TOOL trying to prop up the FALSE Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. THE RESULT: DECEPTION; AWAY FROM RELEVANT BIBLE SCRIPTURE ABOUT END TIME EVENTS THAT THE LORD GAVE HIS CHURCH.
I could keep going, but it would take up too much space and time. The matter for those who want God's Truth untainted, and without men's leaven doctrines added to it, is to heed what Apostle Paul said for Timothy... in 2 Timothy 2:15.
The Problem with Men's Leaven Traditions, and the Result They Produce:
1. Partial Preterism -- partial preterism disregards the Bible prophecies for the end which especially includes what Lord Jesus gave His Church to be watching leading up to His coming. They treat most of Revelation as dead history, when of course it is not. THE RESULT FOR THE BLIND WHO FOLLOW PRETERISM: DECEPTION AT THE END.
1a. Full Preterism -- man's doctrine that believes Christ's 2nd coming is NOT a literal physical return, but a spiritual return, and that He has already... fulfilled that back in history! THE RESULT FOR ITS FOLLOWERS: DECEPTION AT THE END.
2. Pre-tribulational Rapture -- rejects Christ's Signs of warning for the very end of this world that He gave His Church to be watching, i.e., His Olivet discourse. Pushes a false 'secret' coming and gathering of the Church prior to the "great tribulation", when Jesus was emphatic that His coming to gather His Church is AFTER... the tribulation (per His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13). This is why the Pre-trib doctors lie and tell their members that Christ's Olivet discourse does not apply to Christ's Church. The false claim that these use a 'literal' interpretation of Scripture becomes apparent by their abject denial of many things actually written in Bible Scripture, like Jesus's coming to gather His Church after... the tribulation, per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.
3. Historicism -- attempts to associate all Old Testament history with historical events, for the purpose of declaring that the Old Testament events are dead history. That idea of course is false, and it really doesn't take much OT Bible study to realize it. There is still MUCH Bible prophecy in the Old Testament Books of God's prophets that has still yet come to pass, even prophecy for Christ's future Millennium reign, and even into God's Eternity!! Listening to this seminary leaven doctrine of men, THE RESULT: DECEPTION AT THE END OF THIS WORLD.
4. Reformed -- this is about the classic Protestant rebellion back in the days of Martin Luther and forward. The Reformers thought the pope was the Biblical Antichrist for the end, and they thought they were living in the days they would see Christ's return because of the pope's persecution of Protestants. The end time prophecies didn't happen like they thought. But still today, there are Church systems that follow much of the old Reformer's ideas against the pope and the Roman Church, still treating today's pope as the coming Antichrist at the end of this world. Sorry, the pope is not the Antichrist. The Antichrist, or pseudo-Christ actually per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:23-26, is to proclaim himself as God in Jerusalem (also per Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9). THE RESULT: DECEPTION IN THE LAST DAYS WHEN THE REAL ANTICHRIST SHOWS UP IN JERUSALEM WORKING GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS, AND PROCLAIMING HIMSELF AS GOD.
5. Dispensationalism -- this leaven doctrine of man began with John Nelson Darby, the first also to preach a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory in a Christian Church in 1830's Great Britain. Darby took the various generations recorded in God's Word and made sections of events in the progress of God's people. He separated God's Israel from the Church, both in this world, and in the world to come, an idea which God's Word does not support. This separation of Israel and the Church was designed to support Darby's pre-trib rapture theory, as that theory proposes the Church is raptured to heaven prior to the tribulation, while Israel remains on earth to suffer the great tribulation, an idea which God's Word in no way teaches. RESULT: DECEPTION TO THE FALSE MESSIAH AT THE END OF THIS WORLD; THEY WILL THINK THAT'S JESUS COME TO RAPTURE THEM.
6. Hyper-Dispensationalism -- those like E.W. Bullinger, Charles Welch, etc. This leaven doctrine suggests that only Apostle Paul's Epistles in The New Testament are relevant to Christ's Church. It's really a silly leaven doctrine trap, because the early disciples of Christ's Church were all Jewish (of the historical "house of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea). So how could Paul's Epistles not also apply to Jewish converts to Christ, since even Apostle Paul himself was a Jew? Any believer that studies about the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad, and how many of them have believed on Jesus Christ while scattered among the Gentiles, well knows they also are part of Christ's Church. The Hyper-Dispensationalist theory is actually just another FALSE TOOL trying to prop up the FALSE Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. THE RESULT: DECEPTION; AWAY FROM RELEVANT BIBLE SCRIPTURE ABOUT END TIME EVENTS THAT THE LORD GAVE HIS CHURCH.
I could keep going, but it would take up too much space and time. The matter for those who want God's Truth untainted, and without men's leaven doctrines added to it, is to heed what Apostle Paul said for Timothy... in 2 Timothy 2:15.
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