Postmillenial Partial Preterism...What is it? A Victorious View of the Gospel.

Davy · Sep 8, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Quoting these verses does not make your wild assertions credible.
....

Of course to those like yourself that doesn't understand those Scriptures, your type would make that kind of false assumption.

So what FALSE LEAVEN DOCTRINE OF MEN do you have for us today?

Davy · Sep 8, 2021

Iconoclast said:
In many places some of the other systems have been taught, excluding or making a poor caricature of the other views held.
I would like to encourage those who study to examine what is offered.
I have looked at each view. I was originally taught that if you did not believe in a premillenial dispensational system , you were being taught error.
I learned this system first, held on to it for several years, until i discovered another way that others have viewed these things.
it is difficult to re-study and make corrections when one system is at first ingrained into you understanding.

Brethren, Iconoclast by that above has admitted being trapped by following men's leaven traditions INSTEAD OF staying in God's written Word for himself. He is not alone in that error of trying to understand God's Word. But it is a path that will lead to error in understanding God's Word. This is why Lord Jesus warned to beware of leaven doctrines of men.

Just because someone has attended seminary, and holds a degree, does not necessarily mean they have a proper understanding in God's Word. So there is danger in falsely propping up seminary grads, thinking the systems they devise is something to be followed. Always compare to God's written Word as the Measure, and cast away the leaven added which God's Word does not support. And how will you know what God's Word actually says until you get into a disciplined Bible study with God's help?

Look at how Apostle Paul, a scholar of the Old Testament, and taught by the best Hebrew scholar of his day, Gamaliel, yet Saul by following men's leaven traditions of the Pharisees, was originally deceived into persecuting Christ's Church, until Lord Jesus converted Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9). So one can even have studied all of God's Word line upon line, but without God's touching by The Holy Spirit, one can still be deceived like Paul was at one time because of following men.

Truth7t7 · Sep 8, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Sorry, but I do not despise teachers God has given to His Church.
You cannot begin to refute anything posted here. If you feel you can, go for it.!

You mean teachers like (Hal Lindsey), (Ellen G. White) and (Ken Gentry)?

Truth7t7 · Sep 8, 2021

Iconoclast said:
The people Paul wrote to knew who he was.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Paul wrote to them, before 70ad, not you.

Paul wrote to the "Future" church who would be eye witnesses to the Second Coming and Resurrection seen in verse 1 below, with reassurance that the (Man Of Sin) would be revealed before this Second Coming and Resurrection

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

1.) No (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ or (Resurrection) of the believer has taken place in history, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2.) The (Man Of Sin) seen in verse 3 below has never been revealed in history, nor has the Lord returned and destroyed him with the brightness of his coming seen in verse 8 below, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2 Thessalonians 2:-10KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Truth7t7 · Sep 8, 2021

Iconoclast said:
A yet you cannot refute anything he wrote,,,imagine that.

You are quick to set aside a gifted and trained person, and cannot answer anything he has written.
You two skip over it and make believe as if he has not answered your speculations about chips, renewed animal sacrifice and other such absurdities.

(Kenneth Gentry) falsely teaches Zechariah 14 took place in 70AD, and has been fulfilled

Zechariah 14:1 (The Day Of The Lord) also seen in 2 Peter 3:10 in fire judgement

Zechariah 14:8 the river of life in living waters, also seen in Revelation 22:1

Zechariah 14:12 the last day judgement by fire, men are consumed as they stand on their feet

(Kenneth Gentry) falsely teaches that no literal Second Coming or Resurrection of the believer is seen in Matthew 24:30-31 but that this represents a judgement on Israel/Jerusalem in 70AD

Just a few honorable mentions of (Kenneth Gentry) and his out in left field eschatology

Mormonism's teaching that New Jerusalem will be in Independence Missouri is more believable

(Kenneth Gentry) is in left field, just like (Hal Lindsey) and (Ellen G. White) are concerning eschatology, and that's being nice

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Truth7t7,
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[He teaches the AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 and Grear Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled

He falsely teaches the literal second coming seen in Matthew 24:30 is a symbolic judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem, and not Jesus actually returning in the clouds of heaven]

The judgment was quite literal just as Jesus taught, not one stone left upon another.

(Kenneth Gentry) denies that the future literal (Second Coming) and (Resurrection) is seen in Matthew 24:30-31 below, and falsely teaches this literal event seen was fulfilled in a judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem in 70AD

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Davy said:
Of course to those like yourself that doesn't understand those Scriptures, your type would make that kind of false assumption.

So what FALSE LEAVEN DOCTRINE OF MEN do you have for us today?

You cannot speak to the scriptures so you attempt a personal attack.
There are many internet Rambo's who do this.
You think this helps you hide your inability to interact with scripture.
It does not.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Paul wrote to the "Future" church who would be eye witnesses to the Second Coming and Resurrection seen in verse 1 below, with reassurance that the (Man Of Sin) would be revealed before this Second Coming and Resurrection

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

1.) No (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ or (Resurrection) of the believer has taken place in history, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2.) The (Man Of Sin) seen in verse 3 below has never been revealed in history, nor has the Lord returned and destroyed him with the brightness of his coming seen in verse 8 below, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2 Thessalonians 2:-10KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

It does not say he wrote to the future church.
It says he wrote to them.
Just like Revelation was written to 7 literal churches in Asia.
You claim all manner of things but prove nothing.
Repeating Zech.14 a dozen times does not change it.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
(Kenneth Gentry) denies that the future literal (Second Coming) and (Resurrection) is seen in Matthew 24:30-31 below, and falsely teaches this literal event seen was fulfilled in a judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem in 70AD

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You ignore the teaching of the Sun moon and stars which informs us as to what is being taught.

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
You ignore the teaching of the Sun moon and stars which informs us asto what is being taught.

You ignore the clear teaching Jesus is returning in the clouds, and human eyes on earth see his return, "Crazy"!

And Gentry claims this is symbolic representation of a Judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem?

Pinocchio's nose grew 12" on that one!

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Those who do not take the time to examine all of scripture turn to sci-fi interpretations going boldly where no man has gone before.
Instead of comparing scripture with scripture they invent meanings not offered in scripture.
Atom bombs, micro chips, lasers Apache helicopters ....they are sincere but unbiblical.
It is shameful to see attacks against bible teachers who have demonstrated a level of understanding that these ignorant posters will never attain to.
By dismissing what they offer they think they are avoiding the issues but in vain.
It is laughable in that they think millions are eager to read their ignorant posts instead of biblical scholars lol.
There are 4 main views historically and no one tries to dismiss those scholars and liken them to cult figures as the ignorant and unlearned.

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
It does not say he wrote to the future church.
It says he wrote to them.
Just like Revelation was written to 7 literal churches in Asia.
You claim all manner of things but prove nothing.
Repeating Zech.14 a dozen times does not change it.

P.S. The (Man Of Sin) Nor Jesus Returning And Destroying This (Man Of Sin) By The Brightness Of His Coming Didnt Take Place In 70AD

Focus On My Claim Regarding The Man Of Sin, And Second Coming, That Didnt Take Place In 70AD

More Symbolic Allegory, In Removing The Clear Teaching Of Scripture Below?

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

1.) No (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ or (Resurrection) of the believer has taken place in history, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2.) The (Man Of Sin) seen in verse 3 below has never been revealed in history, nor has the Lord returned and destroyed him with the brightness of his coming seen in verse 8 below, will you now practice your symbolic allegory in removing the future literal events and teaching seen in scripture, with claims of 70AD fulfillment?

2 Thessalonians 2:-10KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
You ignore the clear teaching Jesus is returning in the clouds, and human eyes on earth see his return, "Crazy"!

And Gentry claims this is symbolic representation of a Judgement upon Israel/Jerusalem?

Pinocchio's nose grew 12" on that one!

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jerusalem was destroyed indeed just as Jesus said.
Dr. Gentry and millions of others believe that.
You cannot see it so you attack the person rather than the teaching

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Those who do not take the time to examine all of scripture turn to sci-fi interpretations going boldly where no man has gone before.
Instead of comparing scripture with scripture they invent meanings not offered in scripture.
Atom bombs, micro chips, lasers Apache helicopters ....they are sincere but unbiblical.
It is shameful to see attacks against bible teachers who have demonstrated a level of understanding that these ignorant posters will never attain to.
By dismissing what they offer they think they are avoiding the issues but in vain.
It is laughable in that they think millions are eager to read their ignorant posts instead of biblical scholars lol.
There are 4 main views historically and no one tries to dismiss those scholars and liken them to cult figures as the ignorant and unlearned.

You Must Be Talking About (Kenneth L. Gentry) If It Doesn't Fit 70AD Fulfillment, Remove It Through Symbolic Allegory

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Jerusalem was destroyed indeed just as Jesus said.
Dr. Gentry and millions of others believe that.
You cannot see it so you attack the person rather than the teaching

Jerusalem Being Destroyed Has Absolutely No Relationship To The Fact, Jesus Is Seen Returning In The Clouds, And Human Eyes On Earth Are Watching

And To Claim This Isnt Seen, But Its Symbolic Of A Judgement Upon Israel/Jerusalem

Really Sad, And Deception In My Opinion

Guilty Of Taking Away From Scripture?

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
You Must Be Talking About (Kenneth L. Gentry) If It Doesn't Fit 70AD Fulfillment, Remove It Through Symbolic Allegory

Or....understand the passage using biblical look language as has been offered.
Try it you might like it.
You ironically have some of the pieces correct.
You just cannot discover how they fit.

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Or....understand the passage using biblical look language as has been offered.
Try it you might like it.
You ironically have some of the pieces correct.
You just cannot discover how they fit.

Like I Need To Find Ken Gentry's False Teaching, That Jesus Really Isnt Returning In The Clouds Below, Big Smiles!

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Jerusalem Being Destroyed Ha

Jerusalem was destroyed.
It is no longer the Holy City.
The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem which is above is.
The earthly holy place was desecrated and left desolate.
Jesus said it would happen.
He came in judgment and those who pierced Him were alive to see it in person.
No rebuilding of another earthly temple complete with renewed animal sacrifices.
Heb 10:10-14

Truth7t7 · Sep 9, 2021

Iconoclast said:
Jerusalem was destroyed.
It is no longer the Holy City.
The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem which is above is.
The earthly holy place was desecrated and left desolate.
Jesus said it would happen.
He came in judgment and those who pierced Him were alive to see it in person.
No rebuilding of another earthly temple complete with renewed animal sacrifices.
Heb 10:10-14

Jesus Is Seen Returning In The Clouds, And Human Eyes On Earth Are Watching

And To Claim This Isnt Seen, But Its Symbolic Of A Judgement Upon Israel/Jerusalem

Really Sad, And Deception In My Opinion

Guilty Of Taking Away From Scripture, I Believe So

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Iconoclast · Sep 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Like I Need To Find Ken Gentry's False Teaching, That Jesus Really Isnt Returning In The Clouds Below, Big Smiles!

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

If you could read it with understanding you would see it says;

THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN...
He is reigning from the Heavenly Throne.
His prophecy of the temple destruction was the sign.
I have no need to convince you....I just understand what the sign is.

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