How can we know God is Good?

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A 'good' person will do what they can to either prevent people being harmed, or punish the culprits, so that peace may reign.

The wrong-doer will say the 'good' person who establishes law and order is evil, but that sort of comment comes from the Father of Lies.

Yes, God is good, he punishes the wicked, heals the sick and comforts the broken hearted.......
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For instance, one reason we can explain the evil in the world is that it is a benevolent God's way to teach us the difference between good and evil.
You answered your own question.
We could not appreciate the attributes of God or even know them unless we experienced their opposites. Evil is necessarily. We could not know mercy, forgiveness, a full sense of love, joy and peace. We could not know faith, hope or be healed unless we were sick. Truth is pure, refreshing and inspiring. We crave these things when we don't have them.
The purpose in life is to reconcile with God through Jesus. If by the end of life, that hasn't happened, then you will never know what good is and you will have forfeited your soul. Everything that is good comes from God.
If we want to know God, all we have to do is look at Jesus. HE IS THE RADIANCE OF GOD, THE LIGHT, THE BREAD OF LIFE, THE DOORWAY, THE GOOD SHEPHERD, THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE VINE, THE RESURRECTION, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, etc., etc., THE EXACT EXPRESSION OF GOD - because HE IS GOD.
 
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After all, there are plenty of natural evils (Tempests, drought, floods, etc). Those of you who have been unfortunate enough to read my previous threads will know I am keen on philosophy of religion, ethics and political philosophy. If someone is good and omnipotent, I do not think it unreasonable to expect them to act in a good way.

I am currently reading a book called Believing Bull**** by Stephen Law. Quite early on in the book, he wants to know the reason why we believe God to be good, when all the theodicies can be inverted to show God to be bad. For instance, one reason we can explain the evil in the world is that it is a benevolent God's way to teach us the difference between good and evil. But the same could be said of an Evil God.

So maybe God is not good. Maybe He is evil, and takes satisfaction in our misplaced belief as to His goodness. Maybe He laughs in the face of our optimistic assessment of Evil God's nature. Maybe this earth is a vale, not of soul-making, but of soul-destruction. Maybe this Evil God wants us to suffer, do evil, and despair. Why would such a God create natural beauty? Maybe simply to provide contrast: if most of the world is ugly, it seems more ugly because it contains aspects that are beautiful. Similarly with riches; if some have the opportunity to live lavish lifestyles, that tends to make the rest of us suffer from resentment, frustration and above all envy.

Law gives plenty of other examples to show how theodicies can be subverted to prove God is maybe not quite so benevolent as the theistic religions would have us believe. If you are interested I commend his accessible book to you. It will certainly provide food for thought.

Best wishes, 2RM.
'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.'

(2 Tim 3:1)

Hello @2ndRateMind,

Reading your OP, the words, 'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God', were coming into my mind, and the question:- 'Who can know God's glory? or understand how we fall short of it? Surely the measure whereby we can know this is in His hands, and only He can know what it is. I feel that the same thing is true of goodness. What is good as we perceive it, may not be God's perception of it.

People have a form of godliness today, as they have had throughout history, there are those who act benevolently, perform feats of endurance, in various fields in order to raise money for this charity or that, and sometimes get rewarded by dignities, in the form of a knighthood or such in recognition of their efforts. Others are prepared to donate a kidney, their blood marrow or part of their liver to save a life, which is what is perceived to be very good indeed. Others sell all that they have and give to the poor. Loving their neighbour, not only in word, but in deed. Yet how many love their neighbour not only in word but in deed and in TRUTH (1 John 3:18). How many do all this and more in Jesus name, that He be glorified in the eyes of those who observe and commend these good deeds done?

Where I live, if you do not sign a form to say otherwise, then the organs of your body are automatically used for organ transplantation, for that is perceived to be good. Consent is presumed. Is this good by God's standard?

There are those who leave the warmth and comfort of their homes to raise awareness of the needs of refugees, those dying of starvation in famine torn lands, or in the path of fire and flood, raise money for those who have lost their homes. All of these things we applaud as good, but is this the standard by which God judges?

What is good in His eyes? How is it expressed?

God has warned us that in the latter days, there will be famine, flood and pestilence (Matthew 34:6), as well as geological change taking place, and yet we appear to be surprised that this is happening, and put it down to evil, and blame God for it. Yet, when we place our feet upon the ground, one after the other, we do not consider the insect life beneath our feet, whose life force is snuffed out by what we do naturally day by day. Fire and flood follows it's path without consideration of those caught up in it. God's creation is groaning under the weight of the substances we have invented, and we question God's goodness!!!!

I hope this makes sense,
Thank you
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'Or despisest thou the riches
of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing
that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

(Rom 2:4)

Hello @2ndRateMind,

The law of sin and death is in operation still, and for many their hope is for this life only, they have no hope of resurrection life. In His love and grace, God has provided the means whereby man can be brought out from under the law of sin and death, and be brought into the law of the spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus. Life for such is not governed by the fear of death, for their hope is not for this life only, but for one yet to come.

Man seeks to prolong this present life, by whatever means, for this is all he has: and everything for good and ill, is judged within those parameters: but God is not so limited. He desires that they have a life which is eternal, spent in a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. No more sin, no more death. That is goodness and the way His goodness is expressed is by the sending of His Son into the world, to take upon Himself sin's penalty, thereby making the receipt of life eternal possible for all who will believe in His all-sufficient sacrifice, and trust God to keep His word.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Because everything that God created was good.

Genesis 1:31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.
 

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After all, there are plenty of natural evils (Tempests, drought, floods, etc). Those of you who have been unfortunate enough to read my previous threads will know I am keen on philosophy of religion, ethics and political philosophy. If someone is good and omnipotent, I do not think it unreasonable to expect them to act in a good way.

I am currently reading a book called Believing Bull**** by Stephen Law. Quite early on in the book, he wants to know the reason why we believe God to be good, when all the theodicies can be inverted to show God to be bad. For instance, one reason we can explain the evil in the world is that it is a benevolent God's way to teach us the difference between good and evil. But the same could be said of an Evil God.

So maybe God is not good. Maybe He is evil, and takes satisfaction in our misplaced belief as to His goodness. Maybe He laughs in the face of our optimistic assessment of Evil God's nature. Maybe this earth is a vale, not of soul-making, but of soul-destruction. Maybe this Evil God wants us to suffer, do evil, and despair. Why would such a God create natural beauty? Maybe simply to provide contrast: if most of the world is ugly, it seems more ugly because it contains aspects that are beautiful. Similarly with riches; if some have the opportunity to live lavish lifestyles, that tends to make the rest of us suffer from resentment, frustration and above all envy.

Law gives plenty of other examples to show how theodicies can be subverted to prove God is maybe not quite so benevolent as the theistic religions would have us believe. If you are interested I commend his accessible book to you. It will certainly provide food for thought.

Best wishes, 2RM.
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So maybe God is not good. Maybe He is evil, and takes satisfaction in our misplaced belief as to His goodness.
or maybe we just do not know what the true definition of "good" since we also do not know what "love" truly means until we read the bible

fact: no one is good but God
 
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'He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good;
and what doth the LORD require of thee,
but to do justly,
and to love mercy,
and to walk humbly with thy God?

(Mic 6:8)
 

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After all, there are plenty of natural evils (Tempests, drought, floods, etc). Those of you who have been unfortunate enough to read my previous threads will know I am keen on philosophy of religion, ethics and political philosophy. If someone is good and omnipotent, I do not think it unreasonable to expect them to act in a good way.

I am currently reading a book called Believing Bull**** by Stephen Law. Quite early on in the book, he wants to know the reason why we believe God to be good, when all the theodicies can be inverted to show God to be bad. For instance, one reason we can explain the evil in the world is that it is a benevolent God's way to teach us the difference between good and evil. But the same could be said of an Evil God.

So maybe God is not good. Maybe He is evil, and takes satisfaction in our misplaced belief as to His goodness. Maybe He laughs in the face of our optimistic assessment of Evil God's nature. Maybe this earth is a vale, not of soul-making, but of soul-destruction. Maybe this Evil God wants us to suffer, do evil, and despair. Why would such a God create natural beauty? Maybe simply to provide contrast: if most of the world is ugly, it seems more ugly because it contains aspects that are beautiful. Similarly with riches; if some have the opportunity to live lavish lifestyles, that tends to make the rest of us suffer from resentment, frustration and above all envy.

Law gives plenty of other examples to show how theodicies can be subverted to prove God is maybe not quite so benevolent as the theistic religions would have us believe. If you are interested I commend his accessible book to you. It will certainly provide food for thought.

Best wishes, 2RM.
How can God be God if he isn't good?
 
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How can God be God if he isn't good?

OK, so God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who created the universe. In fact, the only difference between Good God and Evil God is that Good God is omni-benevolent and Evil God isn't. So how would you tell them apart?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 

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or maybe we just do not know what the true definition of "good" since we also do not know what "love" truly means until we read the bible

fact: no one is good but God

I can understand this position. Generally, we tend to think that what is good is what is good for us. More advanced thinkers may hold that what is good is what is good is what is good for our own society, nation or world. And that is where the scope for debate creeps in.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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Do you not know; have you not heard? God is GOOD. :) He even leads us to repentance!

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and toleranceand patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? Romans 2:4
 
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In other words, as sinners, without any qualification, as undeserving sinners, the Lord will receive you graciously and love you freely. God died for the ungodly.

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I think if you aren't addressing a God who is inherently Good no matter what He does, so that Good is defined by Him, then you aren't addressing God of the Bible. Then, your question at best becomes equivalent to, "How can we know God exists?"

So, maybe quit walking in circles.
@Rudometkin It's good to avoid what may be ultimately the circular reasoning of human wisdom.
 
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OK, so God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who created the universe. In fact, the only difference between Good God and Evil God is that Good God is omni-benevolent and Evil God isn't. So how would you tell them apart?

Best wishes, 2RM.
I might first ask, "Why would we worship an evil God?"
Having said that, evil makes people miserable. Good makes people happy. In the end, which will we all sign up for?
 
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Do you not know; have you not heard? God is GOOD. :) He even leads us to repentance!

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? Romans 2:4

God’s GRACE proves His goodness. jb

Yes, I think this persuasive. I am not so cynical as to think repentance is a sham, having been through the process personally, and with some still to go. But what, precisely, do you mean by God's grace?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 

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I might first ask, "Why would we worship an evil God?"
Having said that, evil makes people miserable. Good makes people happy. In the end, which will we all sign up for?

Addiction to drugs makes people happy, briefly, when they score. But it would be a foolish individual who thought that evil a good, and made it the purpose of their lives.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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