De facto relationships

MatthewG said:

Instead taking in our own responsibility of just not trying to get in others business instead try and mind their own business.

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I'm not sure what you are meaning by this... but I do mind my own business... I do not tell people how to live... and I totally agree what happens between sinner and Creator is sacred ground and as a general rule... NONE of anyone's business...
I am constantly defending the right to working out our own salvation without abusive correction and busy body Christians meddling in others' affairs... It's a pet peeve of mine actually.... HOWEVER... this is NOT that topic...

When I say I blame the CHURCH... for not ISSUING forth CLEAR statements regarding HOW a Christian is to live... that is a separate issue...

If someone is a practicing Christian and they think ( have been taught) that it is ok to live in sin... or engage in sexual relations before marriage... and or shack up together.... THAT is a DANGEROUS PROBLEM... and a definite lack of proper Christian teaching.

WE live in a world where anything goes.... but that does not change the fact that SIN is sin.

Addy, thank you for sharing that information.

You are expressing the non touched topics of what the Bible expresses pertaining to godly(devotional) living for a husband and wife, children, even preaching on what sins are which resides in us, and how that as Christians in seeking God life changes in to living more by the spirit which is a choice and that spirit of Christ is always there, causing a believer to have patience, peace, love, joy, kindness, forgiveness, long suffering, gentleness, and how a person is change from their old ways into new ways of newness of life, and how abiding in Christ works.

Living in Sin; when Believing Christians should know and understand what the Bible says about being dead to sin; Romans 6:1-3. There are some other scriptures that talk about being dead to sin. (Colossians 3:1-10).

I find it so strange that the legalists accuse me of condoning sin.... and abusing God's grace...
I think I have made a CLEAR statement that I in no way... shape or form APPROVE of sinful living of any kind.

Yeah, no accusation here. People do all kinds of things Addy, really thankful for sharing what you did it was encouraging.

Bless you @MatthewG

Josho said:

What's your thoughts/views on de facto relationships?

A de facto relationship is when two people are not married but live together or have lived together as a couple on a genuine domestic basis.

I have heard of plenty of Christians doing this in today's world.

And don't worry it's not something I ever plan to do, traditionally Christians are supposed to marry first before moving in together, that is the Christian tradition.

De facto relationships are a no for me.

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It's a sin but an extremely common one unfortunately. Many do it though sadly, some likely without knowing the error. May God have mercy on them and bring them out of that.

Addy said:

I'm not sure what you are meaning by this... but I do mind my own business... I do not tell people how to live... and I totally agree what happens between sinner and Creator is sacred ground and as a general rule... NONE of anyone's business...
I am constantly defending the right to working out our own salvation without abusive correction and busy body Christians meddling in others' affairs... It's a pet peeve of mine actually.... HOWEVER... this is NOT that topic...

When I say I blame the CHURCH... for not ISSUING forth CLEAR statements regarding HOW a Christian is to live... that is a separate issue...

If someone is a practicing Christian and they think ( have been taught) that it is ok to live in sin... or engage in sexual relations before marriage... and or shack up together.... THAT is a DANGEROUS PROBLEM... and a definite lack of proper Christian teaching.

WE live in a world where anything goes.... but that does not change the fact that SIN is sin.

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Posts like this highlights why mainstream Christianity is nothing more than a "i get to feel good about myself" religion. As God says in Ezekiel, if the watchman fails to warn a wicked person and that person dies in their sin, God will hold the watchman responsible for that person's death. How can people who are shacking up before marriage know they're living in sin and have the opportunity to quit it if nobody is telling them? Christ certainly didn't operate with the worldly "it's not my business" mentality a lot of "Christians" do today. Like every other prophet of God, His ministry revolved around warning people when they were doing something wrong so they could quit it.

Whether you believe it or not, a person's unrepentant sins pollute the land, and it does affect you. Read Gen. 6, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. When God sees a group of people polluting the land with unrepentant sins, that group is dealt with accordingly. When the Pre-Flood world lived in sin, God destroyed it. When Sodom and Gomorrah lived in sin, God destroyed those cities. When the Canaanites polluted the land with their sins, God used the Israelites to wipe them out. When the kingdoms of Israel and Judah lived in sin, God sent the Assyrians and Babylonians to reduce both kingdoms to national slavery.

As Isa. 58:1 says, sin is not something true followers of God can afford to stay silent on. Whether the guilty party choose to act on the warning or not is entirely up to them, but God says the watchman had better warn them if they don't want to be held responsible for those people dying in their sins!

Desire Of All Nations said:

How can people who are shacking up before marriage know they're living in sin and have the opportunity to quit it if nobody is telling them? Christ certainly didn't operate with the worldly "it's not my business" mentality a lot of "Christians" do today. Like every other prophet of God, His ministry revolved around warning people when they were doing something wrong so they could quit it.

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Since I don't know ANYONE who is SHACKED up and professing to be a Christian... I think I'm clear on this one.... TELLING people HOW to behave is NOT my job.... But hey.... you have a slew of Christians who are with you on this issue. If these Christians are going to CHURCH.... it is the job of the pastor to inform them of their error.
Mainstream Christianity is not something I follow and since I do not attend a church.... I'm not sure what my role is in FINDING people to CORRECT... Maybe I'l start knocking on doors.... asking people if they are living sinful lifestyles...

Desire Of All Nations said:

Posts like this highlights why mainstream Christianity is nothing more than a "i get to feel good about myself" religion.

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You say this and you quoted me... when I am the one who made the STRONGEST stance against living together before marriage...
If my daughter decided to live with someone before she was married... I would not even have to say anything as we have gone through this scenario more than 10 years ago... She knows what my stance is on this issue..... So.... what would you suggest I should do??? Take her in the field and stone her??

What I don't understand is WHO are these Christians who are living in sin ( shacked up ) ??? and what churches are they going to???
This falls on the TEACHING of the church.... If someone is shacked up and not a Christian.... I have no business telling them how to live.
Since I don't attend a fellowship... I really don't have the right to be correcting people.

So... don't blame those who mind their own business... and don't tell me that these CHRISTIANS are not aware that they are living in sin??
The onus falls on them and the church to teach celibacy.. and purity.

and since I seem to be on a roll here... I have only been to ONE church outside the Catholic church...
As far as I know the Catholic church teaches abstinence before marriage and does not condone SHACKING up.
The other church I attended... the pastor would NOT marry people who were living together... He even refused to
baptize a young lady because she was living in sin... He also did not marry people who had been divorced... I assumed
this was the NORM of Christian churches.

I think the problem here is that churches have gotten way too big... and the pastor does not SHEPHERD his flock anymore.
It's all about raking in the money... THAT is not my fault.

I still do not understand WHO these churches are.... all I hear is accusations about mainstream Christianity...

I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.... the onus is NOT on me to CORRECT and CONDEMN people that I am not even involved with.

Clarification is a wonderful thing... and @Desire Of All Nations .... you could have started there before attacking my post.

Desire Of All Nations...you have been told!
With that attitude, you'd better get used to it!
God gave us a free will...since I have a God-given reverential awe for Him, I try to respect that!
And I'm not the only one.