Do you accept this a Biblical fact or fiction?:

tigger 2 · Sep 17, 2021

David in NJ said:
i never came up with this - The WORD did before i was ever born.
In fact , Jesus did say this to those Jews He was speaking to - and to those of us who know this.

Why is it you cannot see?

Why is it you reject the Word of GOD from the BEGINNING???

ELOHIM gave a direct commandment concerning who HE IS and HIS NAME.
This is an ETERNAL Commandment given to us today.
God(Elohim) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
ELOHIM also told Moses,
“Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the ELOHIM of your fathers—the ELOHIM of Abraham, the ELOHIM of Isaac, and the ELOHIM of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

ELOHIM Abraham - Father
ELOHIM Isaac - Son
ELOHIM Jacob - Holy Spirit

Hit 3 HOMERS and your IN - OR - 1 strike and your OUT.

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Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say, "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Do you really not understand that Jesus did not say this?

Or do you simply refuse to admit any error no matter how obvious?

That would include:
"Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then [sic] one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'."

You're saying it does not make it true.

Are you unable to read (or understand) the posts I asked you to read explaining the meaning of echad?

Posts 79 and 112.

So you are one of those who will never admit an error. Jesus never said (in our scripture) "I and my Father are ECHAD"? If you really believe this tell us the scripture!

Furthermore, I still don't see an admission that echad does not mean "a united one."

David in NJ · Sep 17, 2021

tigger 2 said:
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Genesis 1:26
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
I and My Father are One - John 10:30

Again, David:
Where does Jesus say, "I and my Father are ECHAD"?

Do you really not understand that Jesus did not say this?

Or do you simply refuse to admit any error no matter how obvious?

That would include:
"Echad does in fact mean a 'united one' also 'more then [sic] one singular - 'a few' also 'altogether'."

You're saying it does not make it true.

Are you unable to read (or understand) the posts I asked you to read explaining the meaning of echad?

Posts 79 and 112.

So you are one of those who will never admit an error. Jesus never said (in our scripture) "I and my Father are ECHAD"? If you really believe this tell us the scripture!

Furthermore, I still don't see an admission that echad does not mean "a united one."

You struck out my friend - you failed by rejecting GOD's Commandment in Exodus 3 = therefore the Lord has not given for you to know Him as HE IS according to His WORD which IS GOD from the Beginning.

Abaxvahl · Sep 17, 2021

keithr said:
But your children are not you. You alone are the head of your family. Likewise Yahweh is the head of Jesus. Jesus is not equal to Yahweh, and Yahweh alone is God. Yes, Jesus has the same spirit being nature as God, just as your children have the same human nature as you, but that does not mean that your children are you or that Jesus is God.

This in no way contradicts the true doctrine of the Trinity (it at times is very confused by people). A human father and a human son are not the same, but have the exact same human nature, and so can be both called human. It is the same with the Trinity, the Father and the Son are different but have the exact same nature called "God" (although no one knows in itself what the divine nature is only that it is or that it does to greater or lesser degrees) and so may both be called God. If you want to say that a human father is greater than a human son because he generates his son, that is well and good, the same can be said of the Trinity. The Father is greater than the Son in this way, but in both cases the nature (what it is) is equal and the same, and in both cases the persons or hypostases are not the same.

This is entirely in line with the Trinity, and is called the Monarchy of the Father.

amadeus · Sep 17, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Well many times confusion comes because we simply are incapable of understanding all of Gods Ways and all of who He is! As is written in Isaiah: "My ways are not your ways, and my thoughts are not you rthoughts, and as far as the heavens are above the earth, so are my ways above yours!

Eternity confuses me one who has existed before time.

Trinity confuses me- HOw three are one (though I have learned much to settle my confusion) Etc.etc. I accept them with confidence in that if God did not want these things declared, He would not have inspired them in Scripture.

I will certainly agree with the quote from Isaiah.

David in NJ · Sep 17, 2021

Abaxvahl said:
This in no way contradicts the true doctrine of the Trinity (it at times is very confused by people). A human father and a human son are not the same, but have the exact same human nature, and so can be both called human. It is the same with the Trinity, the Father and the Son are different but have the exact same nature called "God" (although no one knows in itself what the divine nature is only that it is or that it does to greater or lesser degrees) and so may both be called God. If you want to say that a human father is greater than a human son because he generates his son, that is well and good, the same can be said of the Trinity. The Father is greater than the Son in this way, but in both cases the nature (what it is) is equal and the same, and in both cases the persons or hypostases are not the same.

This is entirely in line with the Trinity, and is called the Monarchy of the Father.

i like what you said but please be careful or you change Scripture which none of us have the authority to do.

The part that is NOT Scripture in what you said is this: "If you want to say that a human father is greater than a human son because he generates his son, that is well and good, the same can be said of the Trinity."

God did not generate (create) His Son. This is false doctrine and a False Witness as jehovah witnesses and other cults believe.
The SON is ETERNAL with the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT - ALL THREE were present in Genesis and in the Creation.
Genesis 1:1 is the SAME as John 1:1
Furthermore, Exodus 3:14 -15 is a irrevocable eternal commandment to anyone who seeks to know HIM.

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites,
‘The LORD, the God(ELOHIM) of your fathers;
the ELOHIM of Abraham, the ELOHIM of Isaac, and the ELOHIM of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

These THREE are the Let US make man in OUR Image of Genesis.

To depart from this eternal commandment is the spirit of error and leads to more error.

Scripture cannot lie

Abaxvahl · Sep 17, 2021

David in NJ said:
The part that is NOT Scripture in what you said is this: "If you want to say that a human father is greater than a human son because he generates his son, that is well and good, the same can be said of the Trinity."

God did not generate (create) His Son. This is false doctrine and a False Witness as jehovah witnesses and other cults believe.
The SON is ETERNAL with the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT - ALL THREE were present in Genesis and in the Creation.

Oh I do not mean generation as in creation, the Father can not be a Father if He ever lacks a Son, and the Trinity can never be Trinity if there is ever a lack of Spirit. Eternal Generation is what I mean, the Father has always and eternally does generate the Son, and this does not mean that the Son came into being. This beautiful video (see subtitles) explains it better:

The Eternal Generation (so that the Son is always existent) is seen in verses like John 5:26. See also this quote from St. John of Damascus:

"But always He was with the Father and in Him, everlastingly and without beginning begotten of Him. For there never was a time when the Father was and the Son was not, but always the Father and always the Son, Who was begotten of Him, existed together. For He could not have received the name Father apart from the Son: for if He were without the Son , He could not be the Father: and if He thereafter had the Son, thereafter He became the Father, not having been the Father prior to this, and He was changed from that which was not the Father and became the Father."

And we know "there is no shadow of change in the Father" (James 1:17) so that the Father is always with the Son. Which considering this: James 1:17 is another proof of the divinity of Jesus, as the Father is called Father eternally, and creation is not eternal by nature, so it must include the Son by necessity.

rockytopva · Sep 17, 2021

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. - Isaiah 57:15

He that…. “Inhabiteth Eternity.” Hmmmm…. Too much for my mind to comprehend! And according to his Christ…

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; - Philippians 2

David in NJ · Sep 17, 2021

Abaxvahl said:
Oh I do not mean generation as in creation, the Father can not be a Father if He ever lacks a Son, and the Trinity can never be Trinity if there is ever a lack of Spirit. Eternal Generation is what I mean, the Father has always and eternally does generate the Son, and this does not mean that the Son came into being. This beautiful video (see subtitles) explains it better:

The Eternal Generation (so that the Son is always existent) is seen in verses like John 5:26. See also this quote from St. John of Damascus:

"But always He was with the Father and in Him, everlastingly and without beginning begotten of Him. For there never was a time when the Father was and the Son was not, but always the Father and always the Son, Who was begotten of Him, existed together. For He could not have received the name Father apart from the Son: for if He were without the Son , He could not be the Father: and if He thereafter had the Son, thereafter He became the Father, not having been the Father prior to this, and He was changed from that which was not the Father and became the Father."

And we know "there is no shadow of change in the Father" (James 1:17) so that the Father is always with the Son. Which considering this: James 1:17 is another proof of the divinity of Jesus, as the Father is called Father eternally, and creation is not eternal by nature, so it must include the Son by necessity.

Awesome - Wonderful - Beautiful
i was just checking because the word generates means to create. This word 'generate' plays into the error that the Son was created by the Father.
if we deviate from what God has declared about Himself, just as the Son has declared, just as the Spirit declares - then anything goes and the error of human opinion takes over.

Thank You for clarifying 'generation' as being Eternal Life and always existing since Eternity with the Father Son Holy Spirit.

charity · Sep 18, 2021

@Charity said,
'The light of the body is the eye:
if therefore thine eye be single,
thy whole body shall be full of light.
But if thine eye be evil,
thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
how great is that darkness!'
(Mat 6:22-23)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

The words highlighted above I find awesome. 'If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness'.

How careful we must be to ensure that the 'light' that we have received is indeed not 'darkness' masquerading as light: For if it is. then we are of all people most miserable, for we are in a state of deception.

Robert Gwin said:
You did mention deception however, with deception there has to be a deceiver, the original deceiver was of course satan, and he is a very powerful god today, who has the vast majority of mankind standing on his side of the issue. It is true that it could be our very own wicked heart that is deceiving us, but I know you believe the Bible when it says this point blank: (1 Peter 5:8) . . .Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone. . .

You are 100% correct that salvation comes through Jehovah's son.

Hello @Robert Gwin,

Yes, what you say concerning the great adversary, and enemy of our souls is true. However, you missed the point that the Scripture I quoted was making. For the Pharisees to whom Jesus spoke the words quoted in Matthew 6 (above) had 'light', they were not ignorant of the Scriptures, but they made the commandments of God of none effect by their traditions received of their fathers. The writing of such being held in higher esteem than the Scriptures themselves.

The teaching of 'The Watch Tower' and like material is being received as true by such organisations as your own, at the detriment of the Word of God. The Bible Translation expounded also being a subtly corrupt translation of their own making. So, is not the light that is in those so indoctrinated not darkness? and if so how great is that darkness!

Forgive me any offence caused, but I cannot but be direct, for such teaching is leading so many astray.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

God is:-

charity · Sep 18, 2021

Robert Gwin said:
You yourself seen the alteration, but choose to justify it. God has only 1 name ever mentioned in Scripture, of which He personally selected and occurs first in the Bible at Genesis 2:4. His name occurs more than any other name in Scripture, and of course Jesus followers in keeping the command to teach all the things he commanded, make God's name known as well. Salvation is dependent upon calling upon Jehovah's name as revealed by Romans 10:13

Prove it to yourself maam if what I am saying is fact or fiction.

'These are the generations
of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created,
in the day that the LORD (Jehovah) God (Elohim)
made the earth and the heavens,'
(Gen 2:4)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

1) I saw no alteration so there was nothing to justify. I just quoted what was written.

2) The name by which believers approach God in Christ Jesus, is by this Title:- 'The God (Theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ', which renders all such arguments concerning the name unnecessary.

3) Genesis 2:4, that you quote, uses two names of God, in the words, 'Lord God' (Jehovah Elohim), which refers to God in covenant relationship, and as Creator.

4) Romans 10:13, 'For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Kurios) shall be saved,' that you also quote, interprets the Greek word, 'Kurious' as 'Lord': this is a respectful title, given to One supreme in authority. Christ Jesus the risen Lord is the supreme authority by which man is saved! As Acts 4:10-12 confirms:-

'Be it known unto you all,
and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other:
for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved.'
(Act 4:10-12)

* It is at the name of Christ Jesus our risen Lord that man is saved.

Praise God!

Within the love of Christ
Our Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

God is:-

keithr · Sep 18, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Well can a mere man know the future? Can a mere man walk on water?
Can a mere man take 5 loaves and 2 fish and feed approx. 20,000 people with 12 baskets leftover? Can a mere man take water and turn it into wine? Can a mere man heal diseases just by a word? Can a mere man heal Jewish lepers? Can a mere man read minds? Can a mere man forgive sins? can a mere man survive the Roman 39 lashes, then carry a cross approx 400 yards? Can a mere man be drained of blood and raise Himself from the dead.

No. But God worked miracles of healing and raising people from death through prophets and the apostles and other Christians too - but that does not mean that they were not mere men and must have actually been God. Your logic is flawed. Consider Exodus 14:21 (WEB):

Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and Yahweh caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

It was God who performed the miracle, not Moses. It has always been that way - no man has the power to perform miracles, not even Jesus because during his earthly ministry he too was just a man - Philppians 2 (WEB):

7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.

And being human he endured temptations to sin just like all humans are tempted:

Hebrews 4:15 (WEB): For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin.

But God cannot be tempted to sin:

James 1:13 (WEB): Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.

Consider when Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave/tomb, John 11 (WEB):

41) So they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, “Father, I thank you that you listened to me.
42) I know that you always listen to me, but because of the multitude standing around I said this, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43) When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”

Jesus had prayed to God to ask Him to restore Lazarus to life - and it was God who raised Lazarus and performed all of the miracles that Jesus did. As Jesus said, "I have shown you many good works from my Father” (John 10:32), and "If I don’t do the works of my Father, don’t believe me. But if I do them, though you don’t believe me, believe the works; that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father” (John 10:37-38). As others in this thread have said, give God the glory!

(Jesus told the Jews if they destroyed HIs body, in three days HE (meaning Jesus) would raise it up.

He was speaking God's words, as the Word of God, as a prophet - prophetically. "This Jesus God raised up, to which we all are witnesses" (Acts 2:32). Again, give God the glory!

keithr · Sep 18, 2021

michaelvpardo said:
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9

In his letter to Mary John also wrote (2 John 1:3):

Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

So John clearly didn't believe that Jesus was God. He, and the other apostles always talk of God and of His Son Jesus - two seperate persons - and never mention a 'trinity' of three persons.

1 John 1:3 (WEB): ... our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

keithr · Sep 18, 2021

David in NJ said:
Maybe you missed this

Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR Likeness. Genesis 1:26

That is not Jesus speaking and saying that he and his Father are one/united (echad)!

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM is one (echad) LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4

Neither is this. That is what Yahweh commanded Moses to teach to the Israelites - Deuteronomy 6:1 (WEB):

Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the ordinances, which Yahweh your God commanded to teach you, that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it;

Deuteronomy 6:4 (MKJV): Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (WEB): Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one.

There is no mention of Yahweh and Jesus, or Father and Son, being one/united.

I and My Father are One - John 10:30

That verse does not use the Hebrew word echad. It uses the Greek word heis, which doesn't have a possible meaning of 'united' like echad does.

David in NJ · Sep 18, 2021

keithr said:
No. But God worked miracles of healing and raising people from death through prophets and the apostles and other Christians too - but that does not mean that they were not mere men and must have actually been God. Your logic is flawed. Consider Exodus 14:21 (WEB):

Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and Yahweh caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

It was God who performed the miracle, not Moses. It has always been that way - no man has the power to perform miracles, not even Jesus because during his earthly ministry he too was just a man - Philppians 2 (WEB):

7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.

And being human he endured temptations to sin just like all humans are tempted:

Hebrews 4:15 (WEB): For we don’t have a high priest who can’t be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but one who has been in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin.

But God cannot be tempted to sin:

James 1:13 (WEB): Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.

Consider when Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave/tomb, John 11 (WEB):

41) So they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, “Father, I thank you that you listened to me.
42) I know that you always listen to me, but because of the multitude standing around I said this, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43) When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”

Jesus had prayed to God to ask Him to restore Lazarus to life - and it was God who raised Lazarus and performed all of the miracles that Jesus did. As Jesus said, "I have shown you many good works from my Father” (John 10:32), and "If I don’t do the works of my Father, don’t believe me. But if I do them, though you don’t believe me, believe the works; that you may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in the Father” (John 10:37-38). As others in this thread have said, give God the glory!

He was speaking God's words, as the Word of God, as a prophet - prophetically. "This Jesus God raised up, to which we all are witnesses" (Acts 2:32). Again, give God the glory!

keithr, you are very close, now ask the Lord to open our understanding all the way to Him in Truth according to His Word.

Exodus 3: 14-15
God(Elohim) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites:
‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” ELOHIM also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites,
‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the ELOHIM of Abraham, the ELOHIM of Isaac, and the ELOHIM of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our ELOHIM, the LORD is ECHAD. And you shall love the LORD your ELOHIM with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

"I and my Father are One - Echad" John 10:30
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.” John 14

Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me. All this I have spoken to you while I am still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. John 14

In John chapter 14 - ALL THREE ELOHIM are revealed and acting as ECHAD = United ONE.
This is throughout the Bible. Your mind can only see if you seek the Truth according to His Word and not man's.

The Father will not receive any man's worship - period - HE will only receive worship of His Son through the Holy Spirit.
Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5

Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him.
Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these.
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

ELOHIM Father
ELOHIM Son
ELOHIM Holy Spirit

David in NJ · Sep 18, 2021

keithr said:
That is not Jesus speaking and saying that he and his Father are one/united (echad)!

Neither is this. That is what Yahweh commanded Moses to teach to the Israelites - Deuteronomy 6:1 (WEB):

Now this is the commandment, the statutes, and the ordinances, which Yahweh your God commanded to teach you, that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it;

Deuteronomy 6:4 (MKJV): Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (WEB): Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one.

There is no mention of Yahweh and Jesus, or Father and Son, being one/united.

That verse does not use the Hebrew word echad. It uses the Greek word heis, which doesn't have a possible meaning of 'united' like echad does.

JESUS said Echad to the Jews - HE spoke Hebrew to them and they knew HE was referring to the Shema.

This is why they wanted to kill HIM.

The New Testament was written in Greek to fulfill Scripture / Prophesy.

keithr · Sep 18, 2021

michaelvpardo said:
You've been reported, so we'll see if this is "Christianity board" or "cultianity board,"

1 Peter 3:15 (WEB):

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts; and always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, with humility and fear:

So is that how you defend your faith and hope, not by giving an answer and explanation, with meekness, but instead you hope that you can get the person questioning you banned from asking you questions?

Wrangler · Sep 18, 2021

David in NJ said:
The Son is at the Right Hand of the Father

Proving they are not the same being.

keithr · Sep 18, 2021

Abaxvahl said:
See also this quote from St. John of Damascus:

"But always He was with the Father and in Him, everlastingly and without beginning begotten of Him. For there never was a time when the Father was and the Son was not, but always the Father and always the Son, Who was begotten of Him, existed together. For He could not have received the name Father apart from the Son: for if He were without the Son , He could not be the Father: and if He thereafter had the Son, thereafter He became the Father, not having been the Father prior to this, and He was changed from that which was not the Father and became the Father."

I believe that this passage in Proverbs 8 (WEB) is referring to Jesus:

22) “Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, before his deeds of old.
23) I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth existed.
24) When there were no depths, I was born, when there were no springs abounding with water.
25) Before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was born;

David in NJ · Sep 18, 2021

Wrangler said:
Proving they are not the same being.

wrangler - my best friend with the name wrangler - i love it - Cowboy or Jeep or both?

Mark 12:29 Jesus is speaking of Himself and the Father and the Holy Spirit.

This is what most people completely miss - the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit are ONE = ECHAD = Exodus 3 & Deut 6

David in NJ · Sep 18, 2021

keithr said:
I believe that this passage in Proverbs 8 (WEB) is referring to Jesus:

22) “Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, before his deeds of old.
23) I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth existed.
24) When there were no depths, I was born, when there were no springs abounding with water.
25) Before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was born;

Nope - JESUS was never created - HE was always with the FATHER - from Eternity the THREE = Father Son Holy Spirit

HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH

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