Genesis 3:15 'Thy Seed' - The seed of the serpent.

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'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise
his heel.'
(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

Speaking to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2) in the verse above, God (Jehovah-Elohim) refers to the serpents 'seed'. I have not considered the serpents seed before in any depth, 'the seed of the woman' being what claimed my attention.

I see by the notes in my Bible margin, that the word 'seed' is singular: this being determined by the context, and the words 'it' and 'his'. In relation to 'the seed of the woman', therefore, it refers to Christ Himself, as it does in Acts 3:25 & Galatians 3:16. As the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, describes one 'whose coming is after the working of Satan': and all through the Scriptures we see the line of Isaac through which 'the Seed of the woman' would come (Romans 9:7), being constantly attacked, and God's purposes for them thwarted by Satanic activity through men operating under his influence.

The coming of the Antichrist is the culmination of all Satan's efforts: but there are those today, as in ages past, who are walking according to the course of this world, according to 'the prince of the power of the air', the spirit working in those who are walking in disobedience or unbelief.

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8 to the Jews who were opposing Him, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44, the verse that came to my mind, in which the Lord refers to them as:-

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'


In regard to the Antichrist: he is referred to as, '... him, whose coming is after the working of Satan':-

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
.. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
.... and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
.. with all power and signs and lying wonders,
.... And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
...... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
.. that they should believe a lie:
.... That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
...... but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'

(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

In the light of this, it is good to keep in mind the words of 2 Corinthians 11:3-4:-

'But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,
ye might well bear with him.'


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'

(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

Speaking to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2) in the verse above, God (Jehovah-Elohim) refers to the serpents 'seed'. I have not considered the serpents seed before in any depth, 'the seed of the woman' being what claimed my attention.

I see by the notes in my Bible margin, that the word 'seed' is singular: this being determined by the context. In relation to 'the seed of the woman', therefore, it refers to Christ Himself, as it does in Acts 3:25 & Galatians 3:16. So if the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?

In the angelic world progeny is unknown, they do not produce offspring. So the ‘seed’ of the serpent (Satan) does not refer to offspring, but must be understood in another way. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, describes one 'whose coming is after the working of Satan': and all through the Scriptures we see the line of Isaac through which 'the Seed of the woman' would come (Romans 9:7), being constantly attacked, and God's purposes for them thwarted by Satanic activity through men operating under his influence.

The coming of the Antichrist is the culmination of all Satan's efforts: but there are those today, as in ages past, who are walking according to the course of this world, according to 'the prince of the power of the air', the spirit working in those who are walking in disobedience or unbelief.

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8 to the Jews who were opposing Him, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44, the verse that came to my mind, in which the Lord refers to them as:-

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'


In regard to the Antichrist: he is referred to as, '... him, whose coming is after the working of Satan':-

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
.. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
.... and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
.. with all power and signs and lying wonders,
.... And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
...... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
.. that they should believe a lie:
.... That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
...... but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'

(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

The Bible also tells us of Angelic beings who 'left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), and took of the daughters of men, and thereby produced offspring (Genesis 6): for which they are now in chains awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20) ; but that has nothing to do with Genesis 3:15, and the seed of the serpent.

In the light of this, it is good to keep in mind the words of 2 Corinthians 11:3-4:-

'But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,
ye might well bear with him.'


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

See also:- Matthew 13:24 + Parable of the tares and the wheat.


There is no actual coming of a future antichrist Chris. John was warning about how persons among us would apostatize from the faith, as many already had as he stated. Today we see many thousands of sects that claim to be Christian. That is what John was actually referring to. Looking for an antichrist to appear on the scene, in my opinion anyway, will not become a reality.
 

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There is no actual coming of a future antichrist Chris. John was warning about how persons among us would apostatize from the faith, as many already had as he stated. Today we see many thousands of sects that claim to be Christian. That is what John was actually referring to. Looking for an antichrist to appear on the scene, in my opinion anyway, will not become a reality.
'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved'.

(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

The reference in the OP to the coming of the Antichrist was written by the Apostle Paul (quoted above).

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved'.

(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

Hello @Robert Gwin,

The reference in the OP to the coming of the Antichrist was written by the Apostle Paul (quoted above).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

We believe the lawless one spoken of there has been revealed, the clergy class of christendom. I would not put faith in an upcoming individual that will be identified as the antichrist maam.
 

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We believe the lawless one spoken of there has been revealed, the clergy class of christendom. I would not put faith in an upcoming individual that will be identified as the antichrist maam.

Hello @Robert Gwin,

With respect, what your organisation believes is of no interest to me, and what Christendom generally has to say, is of little concern to me either. What the Scriptures say is all that concern me, and my faith is in Christ Jesus my living Lord and Saviour, and on the surety of God's promises in Him.

So, yes, I believe what is written: and it is uncontrovertibly true that there is one to come as described in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12. I am not looking for him: he holds no terrors for me; but what I am looking for is the appearing of my God and Saviour, Who is to appear in glory, when I too, will appear with Him there in resurrection glory, my Lord and Head.

'Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;'

(Tit 2:13)

Praise His Holy Name!

Within the love of Christ Jesus
the risen Lord and Saviour.
Now risen and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
 
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'I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,
who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.'

(2 Timothy 4:1-4)

Hello @Ancient,

I am at present listening to the link you gave. :)
Wary of listening to anything that I am not acquainted with, I am listening very carefully to make sure that all is as it should be. So far so good! o_O

* The speaker looks at what has been said in the past, and what is being said in this present day concerning the antichrist, and shows that so very much has been speculation Everyone having a point of view to express, but simply contradicting one another. The speaker proceeds to look at what 'Christ' means, as a place to begin looking at what the Scripture actually says concerning what is 'Anti - Christ'.

* Very interesting, very thorough. thank you.

'Little children, it is the last time:
and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come,
even now are there many antichrists;
whereby we know that it is the last time.'

(1 John 2:18)

'Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.'

(1 John 2:22)

'And every spirit that confesseth not
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.'

(1 John 4:3)

'For many deceivers are entered into the world,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.'

(2 John 1:7)

* I have to stop now, but plan to come back and continue listening to the end, being now about three quarters of the way through.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Hello @Robert Gwin,

With respect, what your organisation believes is of no interest to me, and what Christendom generally has to say, is of little concern to me either. What the Scriptures say is all that concern me, and my faith is in Christ Jesus my living Lord and Saviour, and on the surety of God's promises in Him.

So, yes, I believe what is written: and it is uncontrovertibly true that there is one to come as described in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12. I am not looking for him: he holds no terrors for me; but what I am looking for is the appearing of my God and Saviour, Who is to appear in glory, when I too, will appear with Him there in resurrection glory, my Lord and Head.

'Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;'

(Tit 2:13)

Praise His Holy Name!

Within the love of Christ Jesus
the risen Lord and Saviour.
Now risen and sat at God's right hand.
Chris

Yes maam, what we speak is either truth or fictitious, either he has been revealed, or not. Jehovah does have people that is scriptural. Jesus has assigned the faithful slave to feed them until his return, that too is scriptural. One just needs to identify the people of God and go with them Zech 8:23
 

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'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'

(Genesis 3:15)

Hello there,

Speaking to the serpent (Revelation 12:9, 14, 15 & 20:2) in the verse above, God (Jehovah-Elohim) refers to the serpents 'seed'. I have not considered the serpents seed before in any depth, 'the seed of the woman' being what claimed my attention.

I see by the notes in my Bible margin, that the word 'seed' is singular: this being determined by the context. In relation to 'the seed of the woman', therefore, it refers to Christ Himself, as it does in Acts 3:25 & Galatians 3:16. So if the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?

In the angelic world progeny is unknown, they do not produce offspring. So the ‘seed’ of the serpent (Satan) does not refer to offspring, but must be understood in another way. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, describes one 'whose coming is after the working of Satan': and all through the Scriptures we see the line of Isaac through which 'the Seed of the woman' would come (Romans 9:7), being constantly attacked, and God's purposes for them thwarted by Satanic activity through men operating under his influence.

The coming of the Antichrist is the culmination of all Satan's efforts: but there are those today, as in ages past, who are walking according to the course of this world, according to 'the prince of the power of the air', the spirit working in those who are walking in disobedience or unbelief.

My thoughts go to the Lord's words spoken in John 8 to the Jews who were opposing Him, which is worth reading as a backdrop to John 8:44, the verse that came to my mind, in which the Lord refers to them as:-

'Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.'


In regard to the Antichrist: he is referred to as, '... him, whose coming is after the working of Satan':-

'And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
.. whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
.... and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
.. with all power and signs and lying wonders,
.... And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
...... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
.. that they should believe a lie:
.... That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
...... but had pleasure in unrighteousness.'

(2 Thess. 2:8-12)

The Bible also tells us of Angelic beings who 'left their first estate' (Jude 1:6), and took of the daughters of men, and thereby produced offspring (Genesis 6): for which they are now in chains awaiting judgment (1 Peter 3:19-20) ; but that has nothing to do with Genesis 3:15, and the seed of the serpent.

In the light of this, it is good to keep in mind the words of 2 Corinthians 11:3-4:-

'But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted,
ye might well bear with him.'


Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

See also:- Matthew 13:24 + Parable of the tares and the wheat.
This is a favorite topic of mine. I've been studying it for well over a year and still am not fully content with my understanding of it.

However, I'd like to offer a couple insights though, if I may.

Seed doesn't necessarily mean singular. It is proper terminology to spread seed, or overseed your lawn - both referring to multiple seeds. The modern mainstream teaching of Gen. 3:15 is that it refers to Christ as the woman's seed. I haven't found that to follow scripture so much though. The Matthew 13 reference to the Wheat and Tares doctrine doesn't line up with this at all. It refers to many Tares that the devil has sewn among the many seeds of the Wheat.

I believe Gen. 3:15 is a direct reference to the concept of the Wheat and Tares doctrine and is contrasting ALL of the righteous seed of Adam's to come with ALL the unrighteous seed of the serpent to come. How, exactly, that happened is really beside the point of the concept and people get too caught up in arguing those possibilities. The fact is that God states that there are TWO SEED LINES. One of the woman's, or Adam's, and one of the serpent's.

You also state that celestial (angelic) beings cannot produce offspring, but Gen. 6 is clear that the fallen angels did very well produce offspring with human women that became giants. Also, God supernaturally impregnated Mary. So, somehow, they can produce offspring.

Hope this makes sense and I mean no offense with any opposing views.
 

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This is a favorite topic of mine. I've been studying it for well over a year and still am not fully content with my understanding of it.

However, I'd like to offer a couple insights though, if I may.

Seed doesn't necessarily mean singular. It is proper terminology to spread seed, or overseed your lawn - both referring to multiple seeds. The modern mainstream teaching of Gen. 3:15 is that it refers to Christ as the woman's seed. I haven't found that to follow scripture so much though. The Matthew 13 reference to the Wheat and Tares doctrine doesn't line up with this at all. It refers to many Tares that the devil has sewn among the many seeds of the Wheat.

I believe Gen. 3:15 is a direct reference to the concept of the Wheat and Tares doctrine and is contrasting ALL of the righteous seed of Adam's to come with ALL the unrighteous seed of the serpent to come. How, exactly, that happened is really beside the point of the concept and people get too caught up in arguing those possibilities. The fact is that God states that there are TWO SEED LINES. One of the woman's, or Adam's, and one of the serpent's.

You also state that celestial (angelic) beings cannot produce offspring, but Gen. 6 is clear that the fallen angels did very well produce offspring with human women that became giants. Also, God supernaturally impregnated Mary. So, somehow, they can produce offspring.

Hope this makes sense and I mean no offense with any opposing views.
Hello @GEN2REV,

Thank you for your input. It is appreciated: for it promotes further thought.

I realise that the word, 'seed,' can be used in either a singular or plural sense. In relation to Genesis 3:15, the notes in my Bible margin declare 'the seed of the woman' to be singular, so I decided to look at the seed of the serpent as though singular too, while being still open to the fact that it could indeed be plural. Yet, the words, 'it' and 'his' in the immediate context determines that they are both 'singular' I believe

'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
It shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.'

(Gen 3:15)

If the Seed of the woman is Christ, the seed of the Serpent I believe is Antichrist. Yet, if we can extend the term to 'believers', then we must also extend it to 'unbelievers'.

* I agree that the parable of the wheat and the tares is significant, and reveals the presence of the two seeds. Yet the purpose of that parable is to reveal the reason why it was taking so long for the Kingdom of Heaven to come into being. It being, that there was an enemy at work.

* Regarding the angels fall recorded in Genesis 6, and the possibility of progeny, it required the daughters of Adam to make that possible. For, our Lord tells us that the angels in heaven, 'neither marry, nor are given in marriage.' (Matthew 22:30b) .

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello there,

I have changed the wording of the OP, because I realised that I had made a mistake, and didn't want what I had written to become a stumbling block to someone else. We must be so careful what we say concerning God's Word, and be absolutely sure that we are accurate.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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As the seed of Satan is also singular, is this referring to the Antichrist?
That could well be the case. Satan is called "that Wicked One" and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked". But all the enemies of Christ as well as all the wicked evildoers on earth are also "the seed of the serpent".

However, we must reject the false "Serpent Seed" doctrine, which claims that Satan had sexual intercourse with Eve and produced Cain, therefore the Kenites are the seed of the serpent. We know that Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve.