Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?

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Grailhunter

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Well Calvin said it back in the 1600's... But if you think you started using it first, yeah sure... Ok.
Ya, didn't you know I am time traveler. I am planning on going back to his time and aborting him. Since they are all about sinning and getting forgiveness. Just kidding. The Calvinists I know personally are pretty moral. But I think like a lot of less the silly OSAS they believe if you are a scum bag, you are just not one that was selected to be the elect.

Oh, so you have read his works! What books of his have you read? He wrote many and I have read some of them. Lets compare notes! What books of his have you read?

Christian collage...college educated...depending how you count it in five countries. Lots and lots of books. LOL I have books on John Calvin but about 2 thirds of my library is in storage.

[And you are going to go on a crash course of reading to try to quickly educate yourself on what he said, but its not going to work. I spent 3 years studying what he said and I know the difference between a true student and a wikipedia student!

Ya I don't have to. His history is messed, his theology is messed up, over all a mess.
 

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Ya, didn't you know I am time traveler. I am planning on going back to his time and aborting him. Since they are all about sinning and getting forgiveness. Just kidding. The Calvinists I know personally are pretty moral. But I think like a lot of less the silly OSAS they believe if you are a scum bag, you are just not one that was selected to be the elect.



Christian collage...college educated...depending how you count it in five countries. Lots and lots of books. LOL I have books on John Calvin but about 2 thirds of my library is in storage.



Ya I don't have to. His history is messed, his theology is messed up, over all a mess.
I am no longer interested in this conversation. I thought it was serious, but it doesn't seem that it is.
 

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I am no longer interested in this conversation. I thought it was serious, but it doesn't seem that it is.

Lets seriously get off the topic of Calvinism...that would help.
We are sitting in a thread entitled "Why do you feel it is hard to be Good?
So far you have given me that being good is not that advantageous.
Why is it a problem being good? What taboo is hard to control?
It is a good discussion.
 

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Lets seriously get off the topic of Calvinism...that would help.
We are sitting in a thread entitled "Why do you feel it is hard to be Good?
So far you have given me that being good is not that advantageous.
Why is it a problem being good? What taboo is hard to control?
It is a good discussion.
I refer to my statement in post #131. In that statement I never said or insinuated that being not being good is advantageous. Except for the problem of pride I never said there was a problem with being good, and I never discussed taboos.

Again, I say I am no longer interested in this conversation. Feel free to continue the discussion about how we all must be good and that it is easy to be good.

I am not on your level. Praise God.
 
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I refer to my statement in post #131. In that statement I never said or insinuated that being not being good is advantageous. Except for the problem of pride I never said there was a problem with being good, and I never discussed taboos.

Again, I say I am no longer interested in this conversation. Feel free to continue the discussion about how we all must be good and that it is easy to be good.

I am not on your level. Praise God.

Be good and do good....why not?
What is the alternative?
You are not the only one that seems to be scared of this topic.
I am not proposing perfection. We are all sinners.
I am asking for an honest conversation.
Give it a try.
 

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Are commands, instructions, or to do list, sort of a law?
Yes. The law of Christ.

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How about exhortations, encouragement, reminders, are they sort of a law?
Yeah, sort of.
So, commands, instructions, or to do list, are sort of a law, such as those we find in the Law of Moses.

Now, concerning the Law that God gave to the covenant people Israel, called the Law of Moses, which includes the commandments, “Thou shall not commit adultery, Thou shall not steal, Thou shall not covet, and so on”, scriptures says:

1 Tim.1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

It is clear as for whom the law is for. It is not for the children of God. It is not for those who practice righteousness, but for those who practice unrighteousness, for the lawless, such as were mentioned in the above quoted scriptures. So we could understand, in a sense as this, when we read scriptures that says that those who are in Christ, the children of God, who has the Holy Spirit of God, and are led by the Spirit, are no longer under the law, but under grace.

As also scriptures says of those who have the Spirit:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

The law was given by God to lead them to Jesus Christ.

Having pointed that out, what then are the exhortations, encouragement, and reminders in the epistles of the apostles to the churches? They aren’t then to be taken as law or commandments as to be in the sense and likeness of the law, at least for me. They are what they are ~ exhortations, encouragement, reminders.

They are given, not to lead them to Jesus Christ, but to remind them of who they are, that they are in Christ Jesus, if indeed they are and Christ Jesus is in them.

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It is clear as for whom the law is for. It is not for the children of God. It is not for those who practice righteousness, but for those who practice unrighteousness, for the lawless, such as were mentioned in the above quoted scriptures.
Yes, I'm well aware of what path you're going down, lol.
You're just showing the ignorance of the law vs. grace issue in the church today.
 
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So we could understand, in a sense as this, when we read scriptures that says that those who are in Christ, the children of God, who has the Holy Spirit of God, and are led by the Spirit, are no longer under the law, but under grace.
Chances are good you do not know what it means to not be under the law. It surely does not mean you do not have to obey God's command in the law of Moses to not murder, or not steal, etc.
 
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The law was given by God to lead them to Jesus Christ.

Having pointed that out, what then are the exhortations, encouragement, and reminders in the epistles of the apostles to the churches? They aren’t then to be taken as law or commandments as to be in the sense and likeness of the law, at least for me.
Well, that's just ignorant talk. But I understand, that is what most churches teach.

Christ did not come to destroy the law. He said that himself (Matthew 5:17). What we have now is a new WAY to uphold the holy and righteous and good requirements of the law. I know this will be a waste of time to talk to you about, but if others can learn from it I will focus the discussion that way.
 
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BE GOOD AND DO GOOD has become my slogan on this forum.
I feel like the Johnny Appleseed of be good.
Why has it come to this on this forum?.
Probably one of the most worth while discussion we could have.
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO BE GOOD!
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO LIVE A NEARLY SINLESS LIFE!
NOW PROVE ME WRONG!

The truth will set you free! Be honest.
I agree that we should do good - repent of our sin. Don't underestimate Satan's ability to lure us to sin.
 
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Tong2020 said:
So we could understand, in a sense as this, when we read scriptures that says that those who are in Christ, the children of God, who has the Holy Spirit of God, and are led by the Spirit, are no longer under the law, but under grace.
Chances are good you do not know what it means to not be under the law. It surely does not mean you do not have to obey God's command in the law of Moses to not murder, or not steal, etc.

<<<Chances are good you do not know what it means to not be under the law. >>>

Chances are not that, but that we know differently what it means for the true believers to no longer be under the law.

<<<It surely does not mean you do not have to obey God's command in the law of Moses to not murder, or not steal, etc.>>>

1 Tim.1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.


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Tong2020 said:
The law was given by God to lead them to Jesus Christ.

Having pointed that out, what then are the exhortations, encouragement, and reminders in the epistles of the apostles to the churches? They aren’t then to be taken as law or commandments as to be in the sense and likeness of the law, at least for me.

They are given, not to lead them to Jesus Christ, but to remind them of who they are, that they are in Christ Jesus, if indeed they are and Christ Jesus is in them.
Well, that's just ignorant talk. But I understand, that is what most churches teach.

Christ did not come to destroy the law. He said that himself (Matthew 5:17). What we have now is a new WAY to uphold the holy and righteous and good requirements of the law. I know this will be a waste of time to talk to you about, but if others can learn from it I will focus the discussion that way.
Nobody said about the destruction of the law. A strawman or a misdirection? Whatever.

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Tong2020 said:
They are given, not to lead them to Jesus Christ, but to remind them of who they are, that they are in Christ Jesus
Gee, you don't suppose it's so we might know what to do and what not to do?

God said concerning His people, “None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. ” Also, I would remind, that the Holy Spirit dwells in the children of God.

Also, words of exhortation, of encouragement, and reminder, is different from law.

To give reminder means that it is a given that the one reminded already have knowledge about what he is being reminded of. I don’t think I have to explain that of an exhortation and encouragement. I am sure you know these things.

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Be good and do good....why not?
What is the alternative?
You are not the only one that seems to be scared of this topic.
I am not proposing perfection. We are all sinners.
I am asking for an honest conversation.
Give it a try.
To even suggest that I am scared of this topic is very presumptuous. I have been an active participant, answering your questions and giving my insight, including my final statement on the topic.

We have been having an honest conversation about it, and if you somehow feel it was dishonest, well you were a part of it.

To suggest that I am scared of the topic and not being honest isn't true and your judgment will not affect me in any way.
 

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To even suggest that I am scared of this topic is very presumptuous. I have been an active participant, answering your questions and giving my insight, including my final statement on the topic.

We have been having an honest conversation about it, and if you somehow feel it was dishonest, well you were a part of it.

To suggest that I am scared of the topic and not being honest isn't true and your judgment will not affect me in any way.

Should I have said shy....Someone that has a Clint Eastwood avatar should stand up and be counted.
I am not saying your are not being honest. Not a all.
So what do think is the hardest thing to keep?
 

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Should I have said shy....Someone that has a Clint Eastwood avatar should stand up and be counted.
I am not saying your are not being honest. Not a all.
So what do think is the hardest thing to keep?
First off, the Clint Eastwood avatar is a connection to another member. Its not about clint... Its about being a cowboy. Long story.... It has to do with a dream another member had.

But I have stood up to be counted by what I said. Clint in his Spaghetti westerns never revealed his name or past... So if you want to liken me to him, don't worry about my past, just go on what I am saying and doing.

Second of all, you did insinuate I was not being honest.

So what do think is the hardest thing to keep?
The funny thing is you keep changing the question.

The tread is about "Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?"


But I need examples.
You do not have to get personal with yourself...just examples.
What do I think is the hardest thing to keep? None of your business... And you said we didn't have to get personal. Are you asking me to get personal?

And I suspect you a preaching to the choir... I am sure folks have issues here... And frankly, I don't care (in the sense of condemning them for it) unless they ask for help.... But I don't think you are dealing with a bunch of criminals here...

But if you want an answer, I will say winking at ignorance is hard... And I have had to do alot of that lately.

Why is it so hard to be good? Well I answered that... And my answer was perfect. Its because we are in the flesh and specifically, we are subject to the 5 senses. If anyone has problems with sinful behavior the 5 senses are whats behind the conflict.

Thank God for GRACE!
 

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BE GOOD AND DO GOOD has become my slogan on this forum.
I feel like the Johnny Appleseed of be good.
Why has it come to this on this forum?.
Probably one of the most worth while discussion we could have.
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO BE GOOD!
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO LIVE A NEARLY SINLESS LIFE!
NOW PROVE ME WRONG!

The truth will set you free! Be honest.
I honestly sin every day. I don't like it but it's reality. It's fortunate that we aren't saving by being sinless.
 

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First off, the Clint Eastwood avatar is a connection to another member. Its not about clint... Its about being a cowboy. Long story.... It has to do with a dream another member had.

Cool....I was just watching High Plains Drifter.
Second of all, you did insinuate I was not being honest.

Well if you took it that way I will still apologize
The funny thing is you keep changing the question.

The question is in the title of the thread....So as not to confuse I will here by refer to it as the "question in the title"

What do I think is the hardest thing to keep? None of your business... And you said we didn't have to get personal. Are you asking me to get personal?

Personal opinion....

And I suspect you a preaching to the choir... I am sure folks have issues here... And frankly, I don't care (in the sense of condemning them for it) unless they ask for help.... But I don't think you are dealing with a bunch of criminals here...

Oh no. I get a lot of push back on my slogan of "be good and do good" So I was wondering? And I wonder how many people beat themselves up over sins that are not biblical.

Why is it so hard to be good? Well I answered that... And my answer was perfect. Its because we are in the flesh and specifically, we are subject to the 5 senses. If anyone has problems with sinful behavior the 5 senses are whats behind the conflict.

I am looking for something a little more specific.