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Where did Jesus publicly declare that I AM, and where is I AM ever given as the name of God Enoch?
The pre-incarnate Christ is called "the Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament, and He is recognized and worshipped as God. And it is He who appeared to Moses at the burning bush, where He was called "the LORD" (Yahweh) and also "God" (Elohim):

EXODUS 3: THE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush
was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here
am I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest
is holy ground.
6 Moreover he said, I
am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which
are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
8And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them.
10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.
11 And Moses said unto God, Who
am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?
12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this
shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold,
when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this
is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

As we can see, "this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" is a reference to "I AM THAT I AM" or "I AM" [the personal name of Jehovah (Yahweh)]. This speaks of the self-existence of God from eternity.

Now when we turn to the New Testament, Jesus of Nazareth calls Himself "I AM" and tells the unbelieving Jews that if they do not believe that He is "I AM" they will die in their sins.

JOHN 8: JESUS DECLARES THAT HE IS "I AM"
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. [Note: the KJV tranlators failed to capitalize "I AM"].
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

What do we note here? (1) Jesus said that He has existed BEFORE Abraham. How could that be unless He is God. When He said "verily, verily" He meant "without the shadow of a doubt". (2) Jesus said that He is "I AM". The Jews knew from their reading of the Torah that "I AM" is the name of Almighty God. But they refused to believe Jesus. Therefore they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy.

Before this, here is what Jesus said about Himself in verse 24:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Please note that "he" is in italics because the translators mistakenly inserted it there. They also failed to capitalize "I AM". Had they done so, the meaning of that statement would have been very clear. "If you do not believe that I AM (God), your will die in your sins".
 

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Hello my friend! Finding yourself there often these days... in the choir that is? LOL! Maybe you are catching up with me in age? My wife is always reminding me that I am 7 years older than her. After so many years together, I wish she would hurry up and catch up with me...

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us." Ecc 1:9-10

"After so many years together, I wish she would hurry up and catch up with me..."
Hahaha, don't wait too long brother :D

And, how correct you are, well...the word of God said it first, lol; "nothing new under the sun" New packaging and presentation perhaps but, not "new".



 

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... Almost everybody on these Christian forums that formats their posts, and letters, the way you do, is not who they appear to be. You can rest assured I won't waste my time getting heated with you about anything though.
Would you mind explaining more about this deceptive format of which you speak? Is that a biblical thing? Perhaps I am missing something in your words...?

Jesus told us we might recognize false prophets by their fruits. How would that relate to the way a person formats his posts?

This forum, and all its mods, are against me so I don't
stand a chance with the deck stacked like that.
You don't stand a chance? Whose side are you supposed to be on? If you are on God's side then...?

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31


Only here to reveal, teach and support Truth; and
, despite all of those here's best efforts, I am succeeding.

God bless you all anyway and let's get on with it.
Pilate asked the question, "What is Truth"? If there is only one and Jesus is that Truth then why are so many people so often so strongly opposed to each other based on citations from the same Bible?

You say you are succeeding. I hope that you are.
 

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BACKGROUND -

Explanation - is likened to revealing Understanding.

The mystery of Understanding "spiritual" things, IS; the Understanding of anything "spiritual", comes from a "spiritual thing".

God IS Spirit, Man IS NOT A Spirit...
A sort of a "communication" conundrum?

Observe the teaching "method"...
Analogies... Revealing that which IS Spiritual...in a manner TO: what IS familiar to a Mankind....

Begin with..."father" being mentioned hundreds of times, IN: Gen; Ex; Lev; Num.
It expressly Applies to An Earthly Man, Head of his Household, Authority, Rulemaker, Oversseer, Responsible for revealing Knowledge and Care of his Household....

THEN QUESTION...WHY is God in Heaven, called: The Father?

If Jesus is God, then he shouldn't have tried to deceive us into thinking that he had a God that was a spirit, rather than telling us the truth. No, I believe it best to follow his teachings as he actually taught, rather than try to read something into it.

That ANSWER...is revealed IN Deut.

Deut. 32:
[6] Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

THAT one verse, reveals a Parallel, between the LORD, Whose "HOUSE". "THRONE", "KINGDOM"....IS Heaven, Whose Authority, Oversseeing, Rulmaking, Knowledge, Care....IS SUPREME over HIS HOUSE...and ALL "earthly men", and heads of "their" household.

THAT...is the Revelation, the Revealing, the Analogy, Parallel ...OF
Example for all of mankind, especially heads of their household, to Hear, Listen, Learn, Mimic....FOR "success" according TO the LORD. The FATHER of ALL mankind.... "who made man and established man".

Continued...



No, Jesus did not lie.

Jesus FULFILLED a Promise of God, IN the manner/fashion,WAY...according to Gods WISDOM and METHOD.

Gods Promise?
* To SEND A Messiah....FROM Gods "HOUSE, His Kingdom IN HEAVEN ....
* To Earth, (mankinds Habitat, Estate, NOT Gods Kingdom, IS Gods footstool.)
* TO to walk among men ON Earth, to be seen by men ON Earth, to be heard by men, TO Offer Salvation (for the souls of men) TO men ON Earth.

* The Conundrum?
Earthly mens EYES, CAN NOT....
SEE God, SEE Heavenly things....and remain ALIVE.

* The FACTS...Almighty God...is expressly, Supreme Power.
* The FACTS...Almighty God... CAN purpose IN HIMSELF to "APPEAR" to the eyes of men, "SPEAK" to the ears of men....BY His Power....IN ANY FASHION that IS Good and Maintains His Holiness....While revealing Spiritual Mysteries.

God IN His Heavenly Kingdom, sent forth OUT of His mouth, His Word, In the LIKENESS and fashion AS An Earthly man....
* AN...Express Earthly mans look; as a Jew.
* TO...an Express people; Jews
* TO...an Express place; Judah, Israel
* WITH...an Express Name; Jesus
* WITH...Express titles; (at the time of his arrival...Son of Man, Son of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, son of Joseph, son of Mary.
* WITH..Express forknowledge of what he "would also" be called; Messiah, Teacher, Lord, Truth, Life, Way, Son of God, Word of God, Holy, Savior, Salvation, Power of God, Wisdom of God, Quickening Spirit, Christ, ....
* ALSO, foretold in Isaiah..."would be" called: God, Mighty, Head of Government, Everlasting Father etc.

Did Jesus Lie? No.
God Himself revealed...the foreknowledge, of His MANNER, of HOW He would Reveal Himself TO: mankind IN A FASHION mankind COULD SEE and HEAR....WITHOUT compromising, tainting...Gods HOLINESS.

Continued -

MYSTERY REVEALED -

"COVER"...
Nothing New from the Beginning of Mankind.
God IS HOLY...Mankind was created and made;...VERY GOOD...(not holy).

God has ALWAYS....been "shrouded" with "A COVER", A "shield", that PROTECTS His HOLINESS, FROM "ALL THINGS CORRUPT".

Examples;
* A Barrier:
firmament Between Heaven and Earth.
* A Curtain;
In the Temple Between People and the holy of holies.
* A Body;
Prepared By God, FOR His Word to Walk among men.

THE MYSTERY...IS:
"REMEMBER"...God reveals knowledge to mankind, OF Spiritual things...IN A FASHION, An Analogy, that a man IS familiar with...

Spiritual Understanding IS: TRUSTING THE KNOWLEDGE....OF WHAT IS
"UNDER, BEHIND.... THE COVER"....WITHOUT EVER "SEEING"...under, behind the Cover. [/B]

** An individual who has Heard, Learned the Knowledge Revealed....and TRUSTS to Believe the KNOWLEDGE REVEALED....
* Speaks, Testifies, Relays...."THEIR BELIEF, THEIR CONFIDANCE, THEIR ASSURANCE...."
OF "WHAT" IS "under, behind" the COVER, Which man has been ALLOWED TO see ....IS IN FACT...the Lord God Almighty Himself.

* IS Jesus the Word of God, the Son of God, the Wisdom of God, the Power of God, the Christ, the Quickening Spirit of God, the Truth of God, IS God....etc. etc. etc. ??

* FOR any man, WHO TRUSTS to BELIEVE IN God, and WHO TRUSTS to believe God revealed that Knowledge to Mankind...AND Speaks the Same openly...IS SPEAKING "HIS TRUTH", that he has Accepted, IS his TRUTH.

* CAN A MAN....PROVE "his TRUTH" should be or must be....another mans "TRUTH"? No.

* Another Conundrum? DID Jesus himself face the same conundrum? Yes.
AND WHAT was Jesus' "solution" ?

Simple solution...
1) Speak what you Believe.
2) Certainly Speak Scriptures that formed your Belief.
3) Do not attempt to PROVE what you Believe, to satisify a Doubter.
4) Do Reveal "your works" to others, that "they" may SEE the "results" of "your works"...
5) Give God "credit" for " your works".

John 10:
[38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

God decided, elected, chose....TO "purpose" IN Himself...and Call Himself, by names, by titles, by descriptions....According to His own desire.
(And BTW...men do the SAME thing. Men choose names, titles, descriptions they themselve Choose to be "called by" such things.)

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will , according to his good pleasure which he hathpurposed in himself:

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son ?

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

IS JESUS GOD?
My view, my belief, my truth IS; YES.

DID I Confess my view, my belief, my truth TO the Lord God Himself? YES.

AM I sanctified (set apart), exclusively "unto" the Lord God? My view, my belief, my truth IS: Yes.

Do I "benefit", with Blessing, Good fortune, Contentment, Comfort, Inner Peace.... BECAUSE of the Lord Gods WORKS IN ME? My view, my belief, my truth IS: Yes.

Does what I Observe of "goings on" IN the World...make me ANGRY? Yes.
CAN I "FIX" that? No.

IS the "goings on" IN the World...Observed BY God and make God ANGRY? Yes.
Can God, Shall God "FIX" that? Yes.
"Patience and Waiting"...All in DUE TIME, according to God.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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I don't mean to indicate anything. I'm just quoting Scripture to provoke thought. I can tell you upfront and honestly that 30+ years ago when the question was first brought to my mind I took, from the evidence I could find, that Jesus is God every bit as much as the Father, as was the Holy Spirit, but I have never contended it in a debate because people who are more intelligent than I could always readily bring more sophisticated arguments than I, which does not convince me that I have erred on this or any other doctrinal point. Spiritual things are not exclusively, intellectually discerned, in my view. As I have said previously, I believe there is room within the larger church, worldwide, for variance, so I'm not sure that I am worth your time or effort. It would take a very convincing argument indeed to cause me to re-investigate the matter thoroughly. So far, all I have encountered, in this and other threads especially featuring the forum member named Wrangler, is an "us-and-them" type of striving for supremacy, in which I am not the slightest bit interested. If the discussion can be kept civil and above insults and implications of condescension, I could perhaps be interested enough to engage. I have never thought of the trinitarian position as being a fitting label for my faith. I am never as desperate, it seems, to advocate for trinitarianism a fraction as desperately as others are on either side of the question. It might be honest for me to note that I have no burden to answer exacting questions that are asked with specific, demanding parameters. It is a manipulative tactic that I resist almost automatically. :)

You stated, Jesus said he was "the I AM" and I asked where, not too difficult a question was it Barney?
 
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You show your ignorance of Greek and your willingness to be force fed the Watchtower line!

Beginning is arche which means premier or ruler it is a word of authority and not numerical order. As jesus is heir of the universe and ruler of all things- this word wouldbe better defined as supreme of the Creation as He created it. Sorry but that hippopotamus form the Watchtower just don't fly!

Didn't really think you would believe it Ron, but I do. Any idea what the term begotten means sir?
 

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The pre-incarnate Christ is called "the Angel of the LORD" in the Old Testament, and He is recognized and worshipped as God. And it is He who appeared to Moses at the burning bush, where He was called "the LORD" (Yahweh) and also "God" (Elohim):

EXODUS 3: THE ANGEL OF THE LORD IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush
was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here
am I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest
is holy ground.
6 Moreover he said, I
am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which
are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
8And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them.
10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.
11 And Moses said unto God, Who
am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?
12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this
shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold,
when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this
is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

As we can see, "this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" is a reference to "I AM THAT I AM" or "I AM" [the personal name of Jehovah (Yahweh)]. This speaks of the self-existence of God from eternity.

Now when we turn to the New Testament, Jesus of Nazareth calls Himself "I AM" and tells the unbelieving Jews that if they do not believe that He is "I AM" they will die in their sins.

JOHN 8: JESUS DECLARES THAT HE IS "I AM"
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. [Note: the KJV tranlators failed to capitalize "I AM"].
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

What do we note here? (1) Jesus said that He has existed BEFORE Abraham. How could that be unless He is God. When He said "verily, verily" He meant "without the shadow of a doubt". (2) Jesus said that He is "I AM". The Jews knew from their reading of the Torah that "I AM" is the name of Almighty God. But they refused to believe Jesus. Therefore they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy.

Before this, here is what Jesus said about Himself in verse 24:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Please note that "he" is in italics because the translators mistakenly inserted it there. They also failed to capitalize "I AM". Had they done so, the meaning of that statement would have been very clear. "If you do not believe that I AM (God), your will die in your sins".

Thanks for revealing that Enoch, as you can see I AM was not the name of God, rather like you stated in parenthesis, Jehovah/Yahweh is. That is His name forever, I AM was a quality, He will prove to be what HE will prove to be, or become whatever necessary to fulfill His will.

Now as you can see in John 8, Jesus was asked a question, what was the question he was answering?
 

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If Jesus is God, then he shouldn't have tried to deceive us into thinking that he had a God that was a spirit, rather than telling us the truth.

Jesus came to Earth, clearly as the Son of Man, clearly revealed is He would be called the Son of God.

Mark 10:
[45] For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Isa 9:6
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Rev 2:
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;


HOW were you deceived when what WAS and IS and SHALL BE is clearly revealed IN Scripture?


No, I believe it best to follow his teachings as he actually taught, rather than try to read something into it.

What do you mean "No"...?
What do you think is being Taught that is NOT Taught in Scripture?
 

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You stated, Jesus said he was "the I AM" and I asked where, not too difficult a question was it Barney?
Jesus stated what He stated--no more, no less. My opinion as to what He meant is an interpretation--no more, no less. I am not interested in volleying back and forth in an endless contest of opinions/interpretations. If you see this as capitulation, that is of no consequence to me. If you have something to say, you are free to say it. Or we could just let the Word of God speak, as it is written. At some point, silence surely is eloquence on matters pertaining to the nature and essence of God. :)
 
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Would you mind explaining more about this deceptive format of which you speak? Is that a biblical thing? Perhaps I am missing something in your words...?

Jesus told us we might recognize false prophets by their fruits. How would that relate to the way a person formats his posts?
You don't stand a chance? Whose side are you supposed to be on? If you are on God's side then...?

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" Rom 8:31



Pilate asked the question, "What is Truth"? If there is only one and Jesus is that Truth then why are so many people so often so strongly opposed to each other based on citations from the same Bible?

You say you are succeeding. I hope that you are.
I wondered how long it would take to get a complaint or objection about my formatting. :)
 

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I'm quite sure I didn't! :)
That was one of the classes where I did most of my in class reading. I would read mostly science fiction in those days. Later I would go to westerns. Today it is difficult to find any readable fiction at all. Have I changed or has society changed... or both?
 
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That was one of the classes where I did most of my in class reading. I would read mostly science fiction in those days. Later I would go to westerns. Today it is difficult to find any readable fiction at all. Have I changed or has society changed... or both?
Surely both! :)
 
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You stated, Jesus said he was "the I AM" and I asked where, not too difficult a question was it Barney?
Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are? said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham! I tell you the truth Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am! At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14."
 
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Surely both! :)
Even so! God created a very good world, but men from the time of Adam and Eve have been, it seems, been working hard to move away from the very good!

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

"He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night." Job 5:13-14

Where now is the Light? Where is the means to see the things of God clearly?
 
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Even so! God created a very good world, but men from the time of Adam and Eve have been, it seems, been working hard to move away from the very good!

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

"He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night." Job 5:13-14

Where now is the Light? Where is the means to see the things of God clearly?
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)

But when will we begin to truly hunger and thirst?
 
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The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate.

One possible explanation among others. Many people say "I am" but are not declaring themselves to be God. Jesus said a few passages earlier in John 8:54 that if he were to glorify himself it would meaning nothing. Here you are saying Jesus statement means everything, glorifying himself in the highest possible way.

Aunty Jane delved into the Greek and explained how the proper interpretation in context is "I was" but that does not fit the trinitarian doctrine.

Nowhere in Scripture is "I am" established as being some code name for God. Given that Jesus pre-existed Abraham is still not proof that Jesus is God or claiming to be God. Compare and contrast how explicit Jesus can be in claiming not to be God using "I am" but still condemned. Why is this violent response to Jesus' admission dismissed where there is no ambiguity to what he is admitting? Dualism. Jesus is not calling himself God but God's Anointed.

High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?

Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62
 

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Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)

But when will we begin to truly hunger and thirst?
If we ask and keep on asking Him, will He not both make us hungry and thirsty for the right things and feed us?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" Matt 7:7-11
 
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