Doctrines of Demons???

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I teach what Jesus came to actually do - take away our sin nature.

That's backwards, though.

Jesus came that we might have a new and abundant life.

And to do that, He has given us a new life. But we still live in our bodies, and that's where sin lives. The flesh. The meat. Sarx.

So He's given us new and righteous spiritual life, and He's left us in corrupt flesh. And that's the way it is.

And then He says He's going to spend the rest of our lives fixing us. And He says we are going to have internal conflict for the rest of our lives. And anyone who says that they don't sin, I have two things to say. Either there are sins they don't count, or they are not self aware. I suppose the reality is that it's a combo of the two.

And to anyone who maintains that they are sinless, those around them know it's not true. Every time I've seen these claims, one or both of these prove to be the case.

So what ARE the doctrines of demons?

Much love!
 

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What year of the tithe are we in?

"22You must be sure to set aside a tenth of all the produce brought forth each year from your fields. 23And you are to eat a tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, in the presence of the LORD your God at the place He will choose as a dwelling for His Name, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.24But if the distance is too great for you to carry that with which the LORD your God has blessed you, because the place where the LORD your God will choose to put His Name is too far away, 25then exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26Then you may spend the money on anything you desire: cattle, sheep, wine, strong drink, or anything you wish. You are to feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levite within your gates, since he has no portion or inheritance among you.28At the end of every three years, bring a tenth of all your produce for that year and lay it up within your gates. 29Then the Levite (because he has no portion or inheritance among you), the foreigner, the fatherless, and the widow within your gates may come and eat and be satisfied." Deuteronomy 14:22-29
I need to know whether this is a year in which I eat my tithe, or the year I bring it to the storehouse for the alien, the orphan, the widow, and the Levite. I'll ask Kenneth Copeland. I'm confident that he'll tell me the answer to that.

I'm well aware of Deuteronomy 14, but that was Old Covenant.
 

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That's backwards, though.

Jesus came that we might have a new and abundant life.

To have an abundant life we must first be free of the thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy. Eternal death is because of sin. The abundant life is free from sin.
 
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And to do that, He has given us a new life. But we still live in our bodies, and that's where sin lives. The flesh. The meat. Sarx.

So He's given us new and righteous spiritual life, and He's left us in corrupt flesh. And that's the way it is.

No, "flesh" in Romans 8:9 is our inner nature, not to be confused with our outer shell Romans 8:10 that has nothing to do with sin, except the result of Adam's sin that it is corrupting and getting older and older until we die.

Jesus was manifest (purpose in coming) to take away our sin. 1 John 3:5. When we confess our sin, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and cleanse us from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. 1 John 1:9 Not just part of our nature, but all of it. A doctrine of demons contradicts this accomplishment.
 
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And to anyone who maintains that they are sinless, those around them know it's not true. Every time I've seen these claims, one or both of these prove to be the case.

John 8:32-36
32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Everyone needs to ask themselves if Jesus knows you. Are you still a sinner or a free child of God?

Those who believe the liberal doctrine of demons will hear:

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 

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No, "flesh" in Romans 8:9 is our inner nature,
That's not how sarx is used in the Bible.

It always has to do with the physicality of our being. Our body, the flesh. The meat. My brothers according to the flesh. Once we knew Christ according to the flesh. And so on.

And then there are the places where it speaks of sin in our bodies, "soma". Would you have me think that this too doesn't mean the body, just like sarx doesn't mean the physical being?

If anything, Paul said in the inner man he serves the Law of God.

We don't have some "inner sin nature", rather, we live in corrupted flesh bodies. The body of this death.

Romans 6:12 KJV
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Romans 8:10 KJV
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 6:6 KJV
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 7:18 KJV
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans 7:21-24 KJV
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

What is this "body of sin"? The "body of this death"?

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And then He says He's going to spend the rest of our lives fixing us. And He says we are going to have internal conflict for the rest of our lives.

That is not scriptural and the opposite of what Jesus said.
 

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Until you understand about what the flesh really is about, this will elude you. The flesh is corrupt, and the new creation is not. And until our resurrection, the flesh remains corrupt.

Much love!

I believe Jesus and His Spirit of Truth. You believe your experience and question your Lord.
 

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Like I said . . . the ones around a person know the truth about that person.

The truth is . . . it's TRUTH that sets one free.

Much love!

Yes, it is Truth that sets us free. Doctrines of demons are Lies.
 

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This took place in the New Testament which indicates they still collected tithes and God didn't like it when this couple lied...
Acts 5 (KJV)
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¹ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
² And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
³ But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
⁴ Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
⁵ And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
⁶ And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
⁷ And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
⁸ And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
⁹ Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
¹⁰ Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
¹¹ And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
 

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This took place in the New Testament which indicates they still collected tithes and God didn't like it when this couple lied...
Acts 5 (KJV)
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¹ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
² And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
³ But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
⁴ Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
⁵ And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
⁶ And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
⁷ And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
⁸ And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
⁹ Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
¹⁰ Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
¹¹ And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

That wasn't a tithe. They pooled their resources. New Testament giving is from the heart and Spirit, not the letter.
 

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That's backwards, though.

Jesus came that we might have a new and abundant life.

And to do that, He has given us a new life. But we still live in our bodies, and that's where sin lives. The flesh. The meat. Sarx.

So He's given us new and righteous spiritual life, and He's left us in corrupt flesh. And that's the way it is.

And then He says He's going to spend the rest of our lives fixing us. And He says we are going to have internal conflict for the rest of our lives. And anyone who says that they don't sin, I have two things to say. Either there are sins they don't count, or they are not self aware. I suppose the reality is that it's a combo of the two.

And to anyone who maintains that they are sinless, those around them know it's not true. Every time I've seen these claims, one or both of these prove to be the case.

So what ARE the doctrines of demons?

Much love!
Amen
 

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That wasn't a tithe. They pooled their resources.
Okay....well a tithe by definition is a tenth...so if it is anything but that it isn't a tithe..
But here is Paul speaking to the Corinthians about giving...
2 Corinthians 9 (KJV)
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⁵ Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
⁶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
⁷ Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
⁸ And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
⁹ (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
¹⁰ Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
¹¹ Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
¹² For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
 
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That is not scriptural and the opposite of what Jesus said.

Philippians 1:3-7 KJV
3) I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,
4) Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,
5) For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
7) Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

Galatians 5:14-18 KJV
14) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

These are two places which show this.

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Okay....well a tithe by definition is a tenth...so if it is anything but that it isn't a tithe..
But here is Paul speaking to the Corinthians about giving...
2 Corinthians 9 (KJV)
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⁵ Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
⁶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
⁷ Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
⁸ And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
⁹ (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
¹⁰ Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
¹¹ Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
¹² For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;


Amen! Yes these are the instructions for us as the church today. Though one can tithe if they want to, I know some members of my church find it a good way to give.
 
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