Covid, Masks, and back to normal

Karl Peters · Sep 22, 2021

amigo de christo said:
Follow the voice of the glorious great shepard . Lambs loving every word of the glorious Lord .
And a stranger , a hirelings voice they will not heed . For they follow the lamb wheresoever He does lead them .
Let the glorious Lord be praised my friend .

Yes - I was once talking to the Lord at church and telling Him that I was really bad at singing and worship.

He responded "Karl, if you want to worship me listen to what I say and do it."

It is possible to praise the Lord but not worship Him then. That is I can say or sing things like "God is great" but not worship Him as Lord.

amadeus · Sep 22, 2021

GodsBeloved11 said:
Well it's good to think of others and wear mask if you can, to protect them or make them feel less nervous

However, please remember some people are mask exempt and as most disabilities are not visible, you won't know who is being selfish and who is genuinely unable to wear one.

I believe, there are likely not that many who should truly be exempt. But... I do not get angry on the point with anyone. Anger is not one of my weaknesses. I thank God for that.

With the unbelievers I understand the selfishness is simply the nature of the beast. With those who are, or say they are, believers we have different situations.

I worked for many years in a public Social Security office taking and processing disability claims as well as investigating continuing disability issues. I encountered many people who would do almost anything they could to get something for nothing or keep receiving money for which they no longer qualified.

More than one person where I attended church services would expect me to support them rather than report them for their deceptions with regard to the disabilities.

amadeus · Sep 22, 2021

Cristo Rei said:
The problem with just saying " God told me" is that many other people are claiming God told them the exact opposite thing...

You can't both be right. Someone is just listening to their own thoughts or the thoughts of the evil one...

When a person hears and follows only the Holy Spirit, he always has the right answer, God's answer. People continue to nourish the 'old man' too often even after they have received the Holy Spirit. Most, [or all?] people habitually quench the Spirit of God often and take in a mixture of information, some from God, but a whole lot from mammon. This is a primary reason, I believe, there are so many radically different church groups but holding sometimes diametrically opposed doctrines based on the very same Bibles.

On forums like this one sometimes you can read their continuous bickerings which not infrequently become heated mud slinging contests contending some of the worst politicians.

Many of them have read or heard that only God gives real increases, but for the most part many or most will not admit the possibility that they might be wrong.

That's why it amazes me how anyone can be claiming anything about vaccines in the name of God...

I prefer to use deductive reasoning, scientific logic and common sense on such earthly matters.

Example. Censorship is the mark of a pseudo-science and should never be accepted...

Not everyone is a real scientist or could be. When the scientists disagree what is the common man who has no knowledge in the direction supposed to do? This describes very many of the people involved in today's troubles over vaccines. Should they choose the one who is most eloquent to believe and follow?

What man can be trusted? Some can, but many or most cannot be trusted. God alone can always be trusted. Do we hear from Him or not? If we do then travel in the Way that He directs. His sheep do hear His voice. Who are sheep?

Cristo Rei · Sep 22, 2021

amadeus said:
When a person hears and follows only the Holy Spirit, he always has the right answer, God's answer. People continue to nourish the 'old man' too often even after they have received the Holy Spirit. Most, [or all?] people habitually quench the Spirit of God often and take in a mixture of information, some from God, but a whole lot from mammon. This is a primary reason, I believe, there are so many radically different church groups but holding sometimes diametrically opposed doctrines based on the very same Bibles.

On forums like this one sometimes you can read their continuous bickerings which not infrequently become heated mud slinging contests contending some of the worst politicians.

Many of them have read or heard that only God gives real increases, but for the most part many or most will not admit the possibility that they might be wrong.

Not everyone is a real scientist or could be. When the scientists disagree what is the common man who has no knowledge in the direction supposed to do? This describes very many of the people involved in today's troubles over vaccines. Should they choose the one who is most eloquent to believe and follow?

What man can be trusted? Some can, but many or most cannot be trusted. God alone can always be trusted. Do we hear from Him or not? If we do then travel in the Way that He directs. His sheep do hear His voice. Who are sheep?

Person A claims God said that everyone must get vaxed

Person B claims God said no one should get vaxed

Who is right?

Cristo Rei · Sep 23, 2021

Karl Peters said:
The Lord is personal!!

Not everyone does the same thing, so we can't expect that everyone is going to hear the same thing. So to say that I am going to use my deductive reasoning, scientific logic, and my common sense on such earthy matters is just leaning on our own understanding instead of seek the Lord for advice!! And using the fact that the Lord tells people different instructions at times to justify our ignoring Him makes no sense - even if our nonsense (not seek the Lord our God) is our common sense. It might and seems to indeed be common to not seek the Lord, but that doesn't mean it's wise. It is certainly not what we read to do in the Bible.

Prov 3:5,6Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

Prov 4:2 For I give you sound teaching;
Do not abandon my instruction.

We can find lots of reason to not seek the words the Lord has for us, and can there be a worse reason than that He told one person to do one thing and another to do another. Do you really expect Him to tell everyone to do the exact same thing? Still, each of us are responsible to Him for seeking Him by faith.

I'll ask you the same question...

Person A claims God said that everyone should get jabbed
Person B claims God said that no one should get jabbed

Both are claiming infallibility but they can't both be right... So then... Who is right?

Cristo Rei · Sep 23, 2021

The experimental injection is NOT my saviour...

Jesus Christ is my saviour

Taken · Sep 23, 2021

Karl Peters said:
I live in California and while the Governor put some restrictions on mask wearing that everyone had to comply with, he recently relaxed those restrictions. I believe the restrictions in the state, concerning mask wearing, are still tougher than the CDC's restrictions for the country. Yet, at least around where I have been, it seems like nobody is aware of the relaxations of the marks orders by either the CDC or the Governor of the state.

It seems that the society still has this extreme fear, not based on science, not based on government recommendation, and not based on the laws of the land. It's like we have gotten into something (in our heads) that we can get out of.

Now I am fully vaccinated, because of the science, the government recommendations, and even the laws and rules that are around. It of course was the most logical reasoning based on the information available. It seems to me that people are operating their lives on fear instead of logic based reasoning. Or maybe with are just such creatures of habit? I mean when we were first told to wear masks people didn't want to do that either and the numbers seemed to be worse at that point in time than now and real reason that we stood a good change of getting it.

Now I wear the mask still because everyone else is. I did go into the market once but everyone else was wearing their masks. So maybe it's the fear of pear pressure, and I have that too? I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable, but I hate wearing a mask. It's hard to breath, it fogs up my glassed, it distracts me and even partially blocks my vision (though not much), it feels like I don't have as much freedom, it is something else I have to remember to do (put on the mask), and frankly it doesn't feel as healthy (constantly have to breath through a mask that is probably collecting a bunch of particles and germs just from the air coming and going through it (so do I want it the closest thing to me?)

Anyway - what are others thoughts on this?

I ignore government "servants", who demand that which is beyond their authority.
I have not worn a "mask", nor stopped traveling, stopped visiting, hugging, kissing my family, friends, neighbors, stopped going outside, stopped shopping, stopped shaking hands, stopped speaking, stopped listening to God, stopped worshipping God.

What I have stopped, years ago; IS government reps attempts of daily intrusion in my life, and stopped tuning in to hear panels of mens opinions and outright lies that they pass off as "news" and "facts".

What I never "began"...was "pretending" government reps were seated as my dictator, caretaker, provider or physician.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Sep 23, 2021

Karl Peters said:
Yes - I was once talking to the Lord at church and telling Him that I was really bad at singing and worship.

He responded "Karl, if you want to worship me listen to what I say and do it."

It is possible to praise the Lord but not worship Him then. That is I can say or sing things like "God is great" but not worship Him as Lord.

I would say...Worship is one completely revering and surrendering TO what that one Individual regards as Supremely Divine.

An individual does that...with his thoughts, his feelings, his words, his gestures....which can include bowing down, lowering onself in reverence, raising hands upward in praise...speaking or singing in glorifying.

Some people talking or singing....is like "torture" to an other mans ears...lol.
But God ? He listens to WHAT is "said", "sung", out of a mans mouth, that Glorifies Him.

My "singing" voice, I reserve and hold back from other persons ears, because I am aware of that "torture" thingy... lol
Singing, particularly, I reserve, when it's God and me alone...

Addy · Sep 23, 2021

Truman said:
I see Christians do all kinds of things I don't like, but unless the Lord tells me to say something, I try to mind my own business.
In other words, I work my program, you work your program, and we try to get along. Okey dokey?

HAHA... in other words... MIND your own business and let God do His work. Okay Dokey?? This is a message that many Christians seem to AVOID and REJECT. God is very ACTIVE in speaking to each of HIS children uniquely... I have learned to understand the ways God speaks without words to me personally.

I have not heard any talk about dropping the mask mandate here in Ontario Canada... we are too busy ensuring that our Government has lost their minds.

Addy · Sep 23, 2021

Taken said:
My "singing" voice, I reserve and hold back from other persons ears, because I am aware of that "torture" thingy... lol
Singing, particularly, I reserve, when it's God and me alone...

HAHAHAHA... oh my.... How I have come to enjoy your input!!!!

Truman · Sep 23, 2021

Addy said:
HAHA... in other words... MIND your own business and let God do His work. Okay Dokey?? This is a message that many Christians seem to AVOID and REJECT. God is very ACTIVE in speaking to each of HIS children uniquely... I have learned to understand the ways God speaks without words to me personally.

I have not heard any talk about dropping the mask mandate here in Ontario Canada... we are too busy ensuring that our Government has lost their minds.

If we're embroiled in heated arguments with one another, it makes it hard to hear what the Lord is saying.

Taken · Sep 23, 2021

Addy said:
HAHAHAHA... oh my.... How I have come to enjoy your input!!!!

There is a back-story to that...
When my son was a baby, not yet talking, I was rocking him and singing to him. I look down at his sweet little face, hoping to see contentment, and WHAT? He had plugged each of his ears with his fingers...!!! LOL
Again confirmed with a later child...As a baby, I would rock and sing to her...she must have like it, looking at her and her sweet smiles...then later discover she was Deaf...and having her fitted with a primitive hearing aid, that gave her some sound, but not clarity, that she as a toddler could control with the adaptive aid contraption....oh no...me singing to her I discovered, she would turn the aid Off!! LOL

Addy · Sep 23, 2021

Taken said:
There is a back-story to that...
When my son was a baby, not yet talking, I was rocking him and singing to him. I look down at his sweet little face, hoping to see contentment, and WHAT? He had plugged each of his ears with his fingers...!!! LOL
Again confirmed with a later child...As a baby, I would rock and sing to her...she must have like it, looking at her and her sweet smiles...then later discover she was Deaf...and having her fitted with a primitive hearing aid, that gave her some sound, but not clarity, that she as a toddler could control with the adaptive aid contraption....oh no...me singing to her I discovered, she would turn the aid Off!! LOL

HA HA HA... and still ... HAHAHA.... I do not think you should waste the 70.00 you mentioned for those books... I THINK you should write your own stories... My oh my they are entertaining... LOL

Taken · Sep 23, 2021

Addy said:
HA HA HA... and still ... HAHAHA.... I do not think you should waste the 70.00 you mentioned for those books... I THINK you should write your own stories... My oh my they are entertaining... LOL

The adult is supposed to be the teacher...but if we pay attention ... the things we learn from the innocent minds of children!

I always kept a belt hanging on the coat closet door knob, eye level with the kids.
Never used it for spanking...but to the kids, the possibility was always there. When the deaf child discovered what that belt was and might be for...was the day the belt disappeared from the door knob. Humm, I asked the HEARING kids ... they did not know.
The deaf child I much later discovered HID the belt. Now where could a child hide something, I would not discover for months, if ever? At the bottom of her toy box! Lol

amigo de christo · Sep 23, 2021

Karl Peters said:
Yes - I was once talking to the Lord at church and telling Him that I was really bad at singing and worship.

He responded "Karl, if you want to worship me listen to what I say and do it."

It is possible to praise the Lord but not worship Him then. That is I can say or sing things like "God is great" but not worship Him as Lord.

Its spoken of in the bible where many could praise God like king david , yet they praised him with their sin . HE wont hear no such praise .
Oh yes its possible to be singing praise and yet the heart is far from the one true GOD .

Karl Peters · Sep 23, 2021

amadeus said:
hen a person hears and follows only the Holy Spirit, he always has the right answer, God's answer.

The above is very important to realize!!!

However in realizing that is correct, we must also realize that unless you are actually seeking the Lord about what He told a specific person and then also hear from Him, then you don't know if it was correct of not!!

This is not meant for "amadeus" the the church in general. Way too often I find where Christians judge that someone did not hear from God because they (with out actually seeking a word from the Lord on the subject) then make a conclusion as to whether something is from the Lord or not!

I specifically remember a class I took at my church where a story was given by the teacher of that class as an example of how people claim to hear from the Lord but don't! As that teacher was giving the story the Lord started talking to me and pointing out why in fact he had told the person used as an example of not hearing from Him was actually hearing from Him and how that teacher of that class was the person not seeking Him and His voice! This became very obvious to me as the Lord explained it to me, but was completely missed by that teacher because he was leaning on His own understanding.

So in all our ways we need to seek the Lord and listen to Him!!

amadeus · Sep 23, 2021

Cristo Rei said:
Person A claims God said that everyone must get vaxed

Person B claims God said no one should get vaxed

Who is right?

God is right! Don't try to put God in the box of human logic. He will not fit. Sometimes God may use such logic to shows us things, but do not presume that God is bound by logic!

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

God may well direct one to get the shot and another not to get the shot. The reasons are God's. He may or may not share all of His reasons with you or me or anyone else. The following verse tells us where man walking alone or following the ways of the old man mentioned later by Apostle Paul:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Here the psalmist inspired by God asks for direction:

"O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!" Psalm 119:5

And here we see Jesus telling where to get the proper direction:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Karl Peters · Sep 23, 2021

Taken said:
I ignore government "servants", who demand that which is beyond their authority.
I have not worn a "mask", nor stopped traveling, stopped visiting, hugging, kissing my family, friends, neighbors, stopped going outside, stopped shopping, stopped shaking hands, stopped speaking, stopped listening to God, stopped worshipping God.

What I have stopped, years ago; IS government reps attempts of daily intrusion in my life, and stopped tuning in to hear panels of mens opinions and outright lies that they pass off as "news" and "facts".

What I never "began"...was "pretending" government reps were seated as my dictator, caretaker, provider or physician.

Glory to God,
Taken

Of course the important part is to listen to the Lord - but we need to be aware of something and that something is that God put people ( those 'government servants' good or bad) in authority!!

The Bible makes it clear that we are to submit to those governing authorities!

Again - of course we don't put them above God, but unless the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, has told you to not obey a command they have given you need to obey that command or instruction!! If you are not sure about that then simply seek the Lord and ask Him about it, because to ignore on purpose those God has put in authority above you is rebellion against God - simply because He put them in authority!!

Now a point was made above about them going beyond their authority - if you suspect that is the case and question whether you need to do something, again the answer is seeking your Lord Jesus Christ and listening to what He tells you!! Paul wrote about taking all thoughts captive to Him. If we are not doing that then we are leaning on our own understanding. We might also be incorrectly judging others. We are not actually seeking the Lord and trying to follow Him, but have turned back to our own ways.

I do that! I start leaning on my own understanding, going my own way and just start wondering off. I do that everyday, so it is that I need to remind myself during the day to turn back to the Lord and listen to Him. Because I see how I am I give the same advice to others that I give to myself - and that advice I give to myself is to try and remember to talk to the Lord about my thinking. That way I sometimes do - then I find it is not my thoughts which are correct but His.
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Karl Peters · Sep 23, 2021

amadeus said:
God is right! Don't try to put God in the box of human logic. He will not fit. Sometimes God may use such logic to shows us things, but do not presume that God is bound by logic!

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9

I love it: Actually God is bound by His thinking which is logical - just beyond our logic. So I can presume that God is bound by logic, but not human logic!

It is like this: If I decide I need a loaf of bread I will go to the store and get it. Yet if I listen to Him He will have me stop by the post office, bank, and take me to the gas station to minister to some one passing out flyers or a helping a homeless man, all on the way to the store. He might even have the neighbor lady that works at the food bank just drop off some bread to me. I don't know, but what ever He has me do it is far better than my simple logic.

Addy · Sep 23, 2021

Karl Peters said:
It is like this: If I decide I need a loaf of bread I will go to the store and get it. Yet if I listen to Him He will have me stop by the post office, bank, and take me to the gas station to minister to some one passing out flyers or a helping a homeless man, all on the way to the store. He might even have the neighbor lady that works at the food bank just drop off some bread to me. I don't know, but what ever He has me do it is far better than my simple logic.

This is the kind of heart that DELIGHTS the Lord.... the one that will listen to His quiet whispers and stop along the way.
Every time I leave my home... I say... OK Jesus... we are going on an adventure... Show me what you have planned.

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