The "Israel of God": Who are they?

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amigo de christo

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Well it sure aint the RCC . that place is not the israel of GOD . The israel of GOD , is not even the unbelieving jews .
As paul and others made very clear . THEY are not ALL of ISRAEL who are of israel .
THE ISRAEL OF GOD IS , THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS . May all take note and may it be recorded , that i said this .
TRUE IT IS . JESUS ALONE IS THE ONLY HOPE FOR A JEW OR A GENTILE . And none who reject HIM
will be or have any part in the one true ISRAEL OF GOD . THAT IS A FACT .
 
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Yeah whatever gotcha means, but I'll always believe that it was the Only-Begotten Son of God who became human in the likeness of the first man Adam and that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that died for mankind and that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that God resurrected three days after his death. No one will teach me different.
It means I understand you not to believe Jesus is God !
 

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It means I understand you not to believe Jesus is God !

People, mostly trinitarians, want me to deny that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who was sent to mankind as a human to die for mankind so they want me to deny that it was the Only Begotten Son of God that God resurrected three days after his death. They can think what they wish about me or the Watchtower. People have the right to believe what they like, but I really don't worry about people, whether they be an individual or institution of people that say it wasn't the Only-Begotten Son of God that became human and came to mankind and died for mankind.
 

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Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

They are, in my reading of scriptures, no other than the Christians, both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

They are those whom Peter identified as a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own special people.

They are those whom Paul identified as being children of promise.

They are those whom John described as those born of God.

They are those whom Jesus identified as the sons of the Kingdom.

Etc..

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I believe/understand that “Israel of God” is not referring to the fleshly non-believers of the nation of Israel-as a whole, but to the believers of the Gentile nations. At 33 C.E. (Pentecost), they began the start of a new nation- a spiritual one-referred to as the Israel of God.- Matthew 21:43; Galatians 3:26-29.
 

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Salvation has always been by faith, no one was saved by the old, that’s why the new had to be made

but I am not talking about the salvation promises

God made specific promises which had nothing to do with salvation

according to Lev 26 do they still stand
The scripture says that no one was perfected by the works of the law, but it also calls some under the law "righteous." Zachariah, the father of John the Baptist is one such example.
The passage by Paul that speaks of the Israel of God references Abraham as the father of the faith, yet Abraham was not an Israelite, but the grandfather of Israel.

Defining Israel as above also denies what the passage actually says:
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Roman's 19:28-32
I'm pretty sure that this section of Paul's letter is not referring to believing Jews. How would believing Jews be disobedient to the gospel?

Defining Israel as only believing gentiles and believing Jews is the same error that lead to the acceptance of concentration camps and the mass extermination of Jews by a "Christian " nation, Nazi Germany.
 

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God says His love for Israel is eternal and unconditional.
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob. 27And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.”…
Vs 26 all Israel is the Church, the Body of Christ.
 

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The scripture says that no one was perfected by the works of the law, but it also calls some under the law "righteous." Zachariah, the father of John the Baptist is one such example.
The passage by Paul that speaks of the Israel of God references Abraham as the father of the faith, yet Abraham was not an Israelite, but the grandfather of Israel.

Defining Israel as above also denies what the passage actually says:
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Roman's 19:28-32
I'm pretty sure that this section of Paul's letter is not referring to believing Jews. How would believing Jews be disobedient to the gospel?

Defining Israel as only believing gentiles and believing Jews is the same error that lead to the acceptance of concentration camps and the mass extermination of Jews by a "Christian " nation, Nazi Germany.
The German Jews were killed by the so called Zionist Jews, as they feared the German Jews, as they were the ones who called the Zionist out in fact and only around 10 % of Jews were pro so called Zionist. That's why Hitler who was the greatest so called Zionist lover of all time in fact and he got rid of the Jewish Media in fact and only let his Zionist print media, it was all created to try and get more German Jews to come over to the Rothschild's Zionist creation and Lord Rothschild has said it was so publicly in fact.
The W Churchill explained what WW2 was all about on TV interview in 1965 before he died that month, he said it was all about winning Markets !
WC said that he could not care less that they were Nazis or did and his opinion was the same with the Communist.

People like Rothschild's and Co do not fear Nazis or Communist, because they created the morons in fact.
The Zionist Jews were coming into Hitler's office day in day out during the War and they had papers that gave them clear freedom and the majority of top people in the Nazi Army were Zionist Jews and 75 % of the Russian Communist Government were so called Zionist Jews.

There was no real problem with German Jews at all as they had been settling in Germany for 2000 years and the problem Jews were the ones who came from the East because they were driven out of Russia by the Monarch for being traitors to Russia and the so called Zionist were playing their Satanic games.
Hitler's Nazi religion is a type of Protestant load of dribble that is a creation of Jewish Talmud like dribble, they are like railway tracks that follow the same path with racial prejudice madness etc etc not to mention the Nazi swastika comes from very early Jewish and before dribble that they had. when I tried to look into all this back in the 80's I was blocked from seeking such information, they did not want anyone looking into such things at all.
I was given the 3rd degree What your name, were do your live ! You have no right to look into such things etc they were so angry that they threaten me.
But I thought that it was my right to seek out anything that I pleased ?
Well some feared that if one was to read such stuff that you would become a Nazi :rolleyes:. so lets just lets believe that Hitler was a very bad man and be done with it hey, as ignorance is bliss, but I was not just like most people who could not care less about history to give a dam about the foundations of everything, so you have a education on a subject and not just a childish indoctrination that I got from school days, as that's not worth a cracker.
So I can see the details in what is going on nowadays clearly with all their set agendas. I understand their workings as I am not oblivious to such, like the majority are.

False so called Jews ! remember the Bible points them out, they worked to undermine the true Jews and Christ Jesus mate.
They seek their Talmud that is far worse than anything that even the Nazi stooges claimed by far, but the majority of people are to ignorant to be bother to look into such.
 

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The Talmud is the most way over the top racial prejudice one could even think of and it even goes beyond that in fact and it's totally bigoted insanity beyond what you could ever think of, it's totally insane and totally Satanic even more evil that even Islam is and that's saying something !

The Talmud is just as the Bible explains a Kike ! That's a whitewashed Tomb that is desired like a shining object that they desire but when they truly get too touch it your hand sinks into it and what is, is full of dead mans bones and the stench of death.
 

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Rom 11:26 has already been fulfilled when Christ Christ came the first time and took away the sins of His People 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he[Jesus the Son of God] was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Acts 3:26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
 

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'But God forbid that I should glory,
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule,
peace be on them, and mercy,
and upon the Israel of God.'

(Galatians 6:14-16)

Hello there,

Is 'the Israel of God' a covering title for all those who were saved during the period covered by the Acts of the Apostles? To judge by the way some use this title, one would judge that it was of frequent occurrence in the New Testament epistles to describe the church. The fact is that this is the only occurrence of the phrase in the New Testament. There is no need here to render the Greek 'kai' as 'even': its normal meaning of 'and' is sufficient - 'and the Israel of God'

There is no Scriptural foundation for using this title as a general title for the church of God today. I believe it refers to Israel in the spirit, in contrast with Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:6 & Philippians 3:3)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

(brought forward from #38)
 
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'But God forbid that I should glory,
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

.. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
.... nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule,
peace be on them, and mercy,

and upon the Israel of God.'
(Galatians 6:14-16)

Hello again,

Look at the verse, in it's context. Read exactly what it says,
Paul says, '...And as many as walk according to this rule ...'. What rule? Is it not that of verses 14-15 (highlighted in red above)? Then he continues,'... peace be on them, and mercy ....' and then he adds, ' ... AND upon the Israel of God'. If Paul was referring to ALL the Christian community when he used the phrase, 'the Israel of God', then why should he use the word 'and' before that phrase? Why does he differentiate between:- 'as many as walk according to this rule', and 'the Israel of God'? For whom he desired mercy and peace.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris


(brought forward from #40)
 
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The scripture says that no one was perfected by the works of the law, but it also calls some under the law "righteous." Zachariah, the father of John the Baptist is one such example.
The passage by Paul that speaks of the Israel of God references Abraham as the father of the faith, yet Abraham was not an Israelite, but the grandfather of Israel.

Defining Israel as above also denies what the passage actually says:
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Roman's 19:28-32
I'm pretty sure that this section of Paul's letter is not referring to believing Jews. How would believing Jews be disobedient to the gospel?

Defining Israel as only believing gentiles and believing Jews is the same error that lead to the acceptance of concentration camps and the mass extermination of Jews by a "Christian " nation, Nazi Germany.
Your right, It was not c on earning believing or non believing jews.

It concerned the nation.

God is not done with them. Thats pauls point in Rom 11, that we believing gentiles should not be pumped up in pride thinking we are it.
 
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Thus says the Lord who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you: ‘Fear not, O Jacob My servant; And you, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. Isaiah 44:2
 

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Isaiah 44:2
'Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant;
and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Thus says the Lord Who made you
And formed you from the womb,
Who will help you: ‘
Fear not, O Jacob My servant;
And you, Jeshurun,
whom I have chosen.

(Isaiah 44:1-2)

Hello @michaelvpardo,

Thank you for quoting Isaiah 44:2, I have included verse one, for I love the names 'Jacob' and 'Israel', and what they symbolize. Out of Isaac was Abraham's 'seed' called (Genesis 21:12): Jacob being the one through whom it would continue it's journey through to Christ our Lord and Saviour. Beset on all sides by Satan's attacks throughout their history because of the promised 'seed' being carried by promise within them (Genesis 3:15): by means of the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes and the pride of life, and the enemies around and about them.

Jeshurun (the upright one/the ideal Israel, as chosen by God), who 'waxed fat and kicked', forsaking God and lightly esteeming His salvation (Deuteronomy 32:15-16).

I would like to quote Romans 11 in it's entirety: for it makes clear that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, and is testament to the fact that God will never forsake His People - Israel.

A reading of Deuteronomy also, shows the wondrous foreknowledge of God: for He knew what Israel would do: and yet, He tells them the way of restoration, and assures them of His forgiveness. They are 'Lo'ammi,' at the moment, 'not my People', but one day they will be brought to repentance and salvation as promised. For God has foretold us that it is so.

These are the times of the Gentiles, but they have an end.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant;
and Israel, whom I have chosen:
Thus says the Lord Who made you
And formed you from the womb,
Who will help you: ‘
Fear not, O Jacob My servant;
And you, Jeshurun,
whom I have chosen.

(Isaiah 44:1-2)

Hello @michaelvpardo,

Thank you for quoting Isaiah 44:2, I have included verse one, for I love the names 'Jacob' and 'Israel', and what they symbolize. Out of Isaac was Abraham's 'seed' called (Genesis 21:12): Jacob being the one through whom it would continue it's journey through to Christ our Lord and Saviour. Beset on all sides by Satan's attacks throughout their history because of the promised 'seed' being carried by promise within them (Genesis 3:15): by means of the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes and the pride of life, and the enemies around and about them.

Jeshurun (the upright one/the ideal Israel, as chosen by God), who 'waxed fat and kicked', forsaking God and lightly esteeming His salvation (Deuteronomy 32:15-16).

I would like to quote Romans 11 in it's entirety: for it makes clear that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, and is testament to the fact that God will never forsake His People - Israel.

A reading of Deuteronomy also, shows the wondrous foreknowledge of God: for He knew what Israel would do: and yet, He tells them the way of restoration, and assures them of His forgiveness. They are 'Lo'ammi,' at the moment, 'not my People', but one day they will be brought to repentance and salvation as promised. For God has foretold us that it is so.

These are the times of the Gentiles, but they have an end.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
People tend to miss a lot when they dismiss reading the Old Testament because of Christ's fulfillment of the law, and focus upon the New Testament as though God "changed His mind." The Old Testament describes all of redemptive history, not just prophetically, but through the foreshadowing of future events and the person of our Lord through history itself.