A major REASON the Law had to go ??

dan p · Apr 8, 2011

Hi to all , and those that want to keep the Law , and the one gospel and want all to just accept the 10 commandments , will always refuse to believe that the Law of Moses was never given to Gentiles .

Lets look at some verses .

In Acts 15:23 and verse 23 , some of the Jews said that the Gentiles were be circumcised , and KEEP the Law , to whom we gave no such commandment .

Then in Eph 2:12 , the Gentiles were NEVER given a Covenant as were the Jews , #1 for Gentiles were Aliens from the commonwealth of Israel #2 , strangers from the Covenants of promise #3 , having no Hope #4 , and were without God in the world .

But , in Eph 2:15 , something different comes on the scene never before seem .

God , raises up another Apostle , Paul , in Acts 9:6 .

And , Paul is and Apostles to Gentlies .

And in verse 14 , when Christ dies , the Middle wall of Partition between us , is removed .

And , verse 15 , says Christ death abolished the Law of commandments , in Ordinances MAKING , A NEW MAN .

And Eph 1:22 , says , which is His Body ..

Where was this New Man , preached by Jesus or the 12 Apostles ?

Nowhere , because it was HID in God and only revealed to Paul , Eph 3:1-9.

This means that a change took place and a New Message is being proclaimed , Acts 20:24 , the Grace of God and also in Rom 16:25 , The preaching of Jesus Christ according to the Revelation of the Mystery , which was KEPT since the world began .

That means this NEW MAN was not known in the OT or in the Gospels

And in Rom 16:26 , this new mystery is made known to all Nations for the OBEDIENCE of faith .

There was no new man EVER explained in the OT or in the Gospels and that means the Law has passed away , because Heb 9:15 , also says it has passed on , dan p

Angelina · Apr 9, 2011

A major REASON the Law had to go ??

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Galatians 3
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Blessings!!!

Eccl.12:13 · Apr 9, 2011

So which law are we no longer required to keep?

Do I not have to keep...Do not murder? So I, or anybody, can come and murder your family without having to worry about punishment from God?

How how about theft? Can I come and just help myself to all of your belongings without having to worry if I will be judged by God for my wrong doings?

Or what about fornication? Why would Paul say the following if it is no longer an issue?

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body."

Just which law is man not reqired to keep. Which of God's laws will Jesus excuse at judgement?

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dan p · Apr 9, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
So which law are we no longer required to keep?

Do I not have to keep...Do not murder? So I, or anybody, can come and murder your family without having to worry about punishment from God?

How how about theft? Can I come and just help myself to all of your belongings without having to worry if I will be judged by God for my wrong doings?

Or what about fornication? Why would Paul say the following if it is no longer an issue?

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body."

Just which law is man not reqired to keep. Which of God's laws will Jesus excuse at judgement?

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Hi , and you did and have never answered the OP , because you have no answer .

Paul answers all questions concerning the Law ;

#1 , In Rom 13:8 , Love filfills the Law

#2 , In verse 9 , Paul mentions 5 of the Laws

#3 , Thou shall not steal

#4 , Thou shall not kill

#5 , Thou shall not bear false witness

#6 , Thou shall not covet

AND IF any other commandment , it is briefly comprehened in this saying ,namely Thou shall thy neighour as thyself .

All should notice that all that is missing , and the reason it is missing , is because " we are in Christ " .

Under the Law , there is " no such thing " . dan p

TheWarIs1 · Apr 25, 2011

The Laws that ended was the ceremonial laws which were the Sabbaths, the Feast days, the Sacrifices.
The other Laws were forever.
http://www.ceremoniallaw.com/

Jesus became the sacrifice to end All sacrifices, therefore they sacrifices were completed in Christ.
The Sabbaths were made for mans sake and along with the Feast days were pointing to the coming of Christ.
They were no longer necessary.

Ceremonial Laws were what ended not the written Law which Christ said he came to fulfill and not change.

the 10 commandments had been broken down and summarized into two commands by Christ.
Does that void the other 8? No, they fall under the first two.

We are still suppose to follow the other laws but few do.

Tehilah BaAretz · Apr 25, 2011

There seems to be confusion on the subject of fulfillment. This word has never meant that the thing fulfilled was no longer true or valid. Truth is not subject to a rule that says it no longer is true if it is known or if somebody successfully does the thing which is mentioned. Why is it necessary to say that the fulfillment of the requirements of redemption through the finished work of Messiah on the cross invalidated the faith of Abraham?

TheWarIs1 · Apr 25, 2011

Tehilah BaAretz said:
There seems to be confusion on the subject of fulfillment. This word has never meant that the thing fulfilled was no longer true or valid. Truth is not subject to a rule that says it no longer is true if it is known or if somebody successfully does the thing which is mentioned. Why is it necessary to say that the fulfillment of the requirements of redemption through the finished work of Messiah on the cross invalidated the faith of Abraham?

Are you saying that Christ is not the sacrifice that ended all sacrifices?

While I admit that that I'm not that familiar with the topic of ceremonial laws but the Sacrifice of Christ was the reason for the temporary sacrifices of old and they were a foreshadowing of things to come.

He was the sacrifice to end all sacrifices. The one and only perfect sacrifice.
Do you agree with this biblical principle?

Shlama/Shalom

Eccl.12:13 · Apr 25, 2011

TheWarIs1 said:
The Laws that ended was the ceremonial laws which were the Sabbaths, the Feast days, the Sacrifices.

Acts.13
[42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God

Jews AND Gentiles continued with God's 7th day sabbath after Christ death.

Acts.18
[4] And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Paul still keeping God's sabbath.

[19] And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
[20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;

And why couldn't Paul stay?

[21] But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

He had to keep one of God's feast days!

1Cor.5
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Here Paul is telling others to keep God's feast of Unlevened Bread.

Paul must have missed the memo saying he no longer had to keep God's sabbath's and feast days.

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TheWarIs1 · Apr 25, 2011

Eccl.12:13 said:
Acts.13
[42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God

Jews AND Gentiles continued with God's 7th day sabbath after Christ death.

Acts.18
[4] And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Paul still keeping God's sabbath.

[19] And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
[20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;

And why couldn't Paul stay?

[21] But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

He had to keep one of God's feast days!

1Cor.5
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Here Paul is telling others to keep God's feast of Unlevened Bread.

Paul must have missed the memo saying he no longer had to keep God's sabbath's and feast days.

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How I wish these protestant churches gave up the Pagan stuff and did those special Sabbaths and Feast.

Duckybill · Apr 26, 2011

TheWarIs1 said:
How I wish these protestant churches gave up the Pagan stuff and did those special Sabbaths and Feast.

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Ok Lord, I won't.

Tehilah BaAretz · Apr 26, 2011

TheWarIs1 said:
Are you saying that Christ is not the sacrifice that ended all sacrifices?

While I admit that that I'm not that familiar with the topic of ceremonial laws but the Sacrifice of Christ was the reason for the temporary sacrifices of old and they were a foreshadowing of things to come.

He was the sacrifice to end all sacrifices. The one and only perfect sacrifice.
Do you agree with this biblical principle?

Shlama/Shalom

I am saying that the system of sacrifices described in the books of Moses never provided salvation which come by grace through faith in every era. Abraham was saved by grace through faith in the finished work of Yeshua on the cross, not knowing the name or the details. Faith is not bound by time or understanding. The Revelation of the sacrifice of Yeshua in the New Testament is not bound by the time line either. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The only sacrifice that ever brought redemption to mankind. I don't think I so much disagree as I want to take the time line out of the discussion. Sacrifice in the Temple was accepted by God if it was done in faith. It probably will happen again in our lifetimes too. The next Temple is called, "God's Holy Temple" until it is desecrated somehow. That's acceptable since God looks on the heart and see if there is faith.

TheWarIs1 · Apr 26, 2011

Tehilah BaAretz said:
I am saying that the system of sacrifices described in the books of Moses never provided salvation which come by grace through faith in every era. Abraham was saved by grace through faith in the finished work of Yeshua on the cross, not knowing the name or the details. Faith is not bound by time or understanding. The Revelation of the sacrifice of Yeshua in the New Testament is not bound by the time line either. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The only sacrifice that ever brought redemption to mankind. I don't think I so much disagree as I want to take the time line out of the discussion. Sacrifice in the Temple was accepted by God if it was done in faith. It probably will happen again in our lifetimes too. The next Temple is called, "God's Holy Temple" until it is desecrated somehow. That's acceptable since God looks on the heart and see if there is faith.

Was is the key word. It WAS done in faith.
The Faith now involves believing in Yeshua Hamashiach's shed blood for our redemption.

Shlama

Pato · May 4, 2011

My question to the OP is this:

What do you mean or are reffering to when you say LAW? Answer this and then we can move on.

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