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Preterism's Claim Of 70AD Fulfillment Is Silenced In One Verse, Luke 21:35
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It is clear you do not want an answer, so I will post for others who look to learn.
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The text does not say that at all. It was spoken to those people right there, hearing Jesus
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(This Generation) not (Your Generation)
You claim that the day and hour has been revealed to man in 70AD, is contrary to scripture, are preterist God the Father?
Matthew 24:34-36KJV
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
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You remain silent on Matthew 24:31 and the Angel's gathering the elect in the resurrection, because you have nothing to offer but symbolic allegory in removing that which is seen, it's that simple
"The Preterist Motto" if it don't fit 70AD fulfillment, remove it through symbolic allegory
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In your Preterist dreams!
Dispensationalism is more credible, and that's an understatement, "Truth"!
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Pride is your playbook, in a calm that 98% of prophecy has been fulfilled?
That's a fairy tale, pinocchio's nose is growing again!
How do you take the language of Nahum, a prophecy fulfilled concerning Ninevah, when speaking of the judgment of that city says "Mountains quake before him; the hills shake apart. The earth heaves before him— the world and all her inhabitants. Yahweh is good—a refuge in the day of distress; he knows those who take refuge in him. But with a rushing torrent he will bring Nineveh to an end; he will chase his enemies into darkness." Do you think this prophecy is not fulfilled because of this language despite the beginning, end, and many times in the middle of the book it says that it refers to the judgment of Ninevah?
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Please quote Chapter and Verse, "Common Courtesy" not many claim to be mind readers
You will closely note that "The World" is in the prophecy, the Earth Is "Being Burned", and not just local Ninevah as you suggest,its that simple
(Yeah,The World, And All That Dwell Therin)
Are you "Preterist" in you belief in eschatology?
Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?
This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?
(Behold, I Make All Things New)
2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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A weak and desperate response.Those alive within that 40 year period who hearx Jesus,does.not reveal the day or the hour.lol.
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No dreams,just reading what happened.
The temple was there, the Holy place, now they are not.
Just like it says.
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The entire chapter of Matthew is dedicated to the "Second Coming" who you kidding
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Big difference.
"The people" said...the whole world.
Vs, Jesus said the whole world.
"The people" exaggerated, not Jesus.
Even satan quoted truth in the bible but my point is that the Pharisees knew that Jesus didn’t have the whole world go after Him at that time it was their world as in the area that they were living in
So the verse below was the second coming
Matthew 24:1-2
24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
Just remember that when Jesus says the whole world, he means the whole world. Jesus does not fabricate things.
Also, everybody must realize that when Jesus said the gospel will go into all the world and then shall the end come , he would be referring to Revelation 14 as it was revealed to John. That is when the three angels preach the gospel to the entire world right before the end.
Did Jesus mean the whole world in the verse below or just the people that heard Him?
John 18:20
20 Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing.
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