Is the Word of God only found in scripture?

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Ronald Nolette

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right there is no new doctrine!

it is all revealed by Christ to his church Jude 1:3 even though it’s not defined by holy mother church for centuries.

example

mother of God not defined until the council of Ephesus 431 but is still part of the sacred deposit of faith Jude 1:3


Wrong again. All doctrine is found in the Word. If it is not in Scripture, it is not Godly doctrine.
 

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Wrong again. All doctrine is found in the Word. If it is not in Scripture, it is not Godly doctrine.

1) where does the Bible say so?
2) where does Christ or his apostles teach this?
3) how can the Bible be the rule of faith for Christians?

The Rule of Faith!

Christ is the rule of faith for Christians!
Jn 14:6

Must be taught by Christ! Gal 1:2

What God has revealed by scripture and the teaching authority of the apostles!

The private interpretation of the “Bible alone” does not and cannot and will not lead to a unity of faith! 2 Pet 1:20
eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Jn 1:16-17 fullness of Christ!


The Bible does not say all truths revealed by God are found in the “Bible alone”! Or that the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”!

Not the “Bible alone” acts 2:42
Not personal interpretation or experiences. 2 Pet 1:20



The authority of the apostles is required to know what is the scriptures and what is not, the church having wrote the New Testament by the authority of Christ the apostles determined what is scripture and the authentic interpretation there of!

Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!

How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!

Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”




What did Christ teach the apostles in the 40 days from His resurrection to His ascension?
What did he teach the two disciples on the road to Emmaus?
What was revealed to John the Baptist in Lk 3:2 the word of God came unto John, and did it come by the Bible alone?
Where does Christ command the New Testament to be written? The apostles having the authority of Christ chose to write scripture! Other apostles wrote nothing at all!
How does the eunuch know about baptism? Acts 8

Rule of faith cannot be the “Bible Alone” because we did not have a bible until 381 when the church of the apostles by the authority of Christ determined what was and what was not scripture! You only have a bible cos the church wrote one and cannonized it by the authority of Christ thru his apostles!

Could not read
The Bible itself points to authority granted by Christ
The Bible condemns person interpretation of scripture as opposed to the church of the apostles having the authority of Christ to interpret scripture

so how can the rule of faith be the “Bible alone” when it did not even exist until the church approved it in 381 by the authority of Christ in His apostles, what about the millions who could not read most could not read until the 20th century, and books including Bible were rare and very expensive all written by hand (mostly by monks who sacrificed their whole life to copy a bible) until the printing press, even then they were still expensive

the Holy Spirit is guaranteed to the apostles Jn 16:13 they are to teach the nations Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 8

in acts 8 did the eunuch know about Christ and baptism from the scripture and the Holy Spirit? No God sent him and apostle


Acts 2:42 the held the doctrine of the apostles
Not the doctrine of the “Bible alone”!

if you believe the doctrine of the “Bible alone”, then there can be no other authority so scratch that verse out of your Bible! And many others that refer to the authority of the apostles!
Btw it’s only by the authority of the apostles that know what is and what is not scripture



Cannot summit to or obey any other authority accept the Bible alone
Even God, or Christ, or His church, or His apostles, or those who He sent and commanded to care for you’re soul!
The Bible is the only authority for a Protestant!

Where does the Bible say the rule of faith is the Bible alone?

the Bible was not assembled and approved until 381 by the apostles btw
Only the apostles said what is and what is not scripture.

What did Christians do in all those years without the “Bible alone”
until the advent of printing bibles were copied by hand and very rare and extremely expensive what did Christians do in those days
Most people were illiterate until the 20th century what did they do?
So you see the “Bible Alone” cannot be the rule of faith for Christians!
Instead we actually believe scripture and submit to and obey the apostles acts 2:42


Must be taught! Must be instructed by Christ!

Bible does not say to read and decide doctrine for you’re self!

Lk 1:1-4
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8 the eunuch had scripture but needed to be instructed by an apostle.

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Taught by Christ thru His apostles!

Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Christ taught them and us thru the apostles.

Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Not scripture alone, but what the prophets spoke! And Christ explaining the scriptures, and we also are disciples, Christ also opens the scripture to us thru His church by the teaching authority of the apostles!

basically it is the Bible is our only authority that implies a personal interpretation also

God, Christ, the HS, the church, the apostles cannot be any authority at all, only scripture
1st problem is that the church of the apostles says what is and what is not scripture
The Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles

Pillar and foundation of truth!
The church will Christ’s authority in the apostles!
1 Tim 3:15



Scripture alone is not enough

Lk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Acts 1:15 peter stood up and opened the scripture to them

acts 8 the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him

not Bible alone and a personal interpretation!

Bible alone

example: of the word of God not in the Bible alone!

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

these are divine revelation!
Inspired by the Holy Spirit!
And the word of God!

why do some only accept them after they are written down?

they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???

Where Christ or scripture say that all the divinely reveled truths are in scripture?
Where does Christ say what is and what is not scripture?
 

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Scripture says we conform to Christ and him crucified

1 cor 1:23
1 cor 2:2
Gal 3:1
We conform to his LIFE not his death.

You cite 1 Corinthians 1:23 but forgot 1 Corinthians 1:24, where Paul has focused on the power of God. And in that context, the specific act of power Paul has in mind is the resurrection of Christ Jesus from the dead. That is, the Father's power to maintain human life. Even if a person should die, he is able to bring him back to life. The same idea appears in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 and Galatians chapter 3.

Unlike the Catholic church, which depicts Christ crucified with an image of a man nailed to a cross, Paul depicted Christ crucified with signs and miracles depicting GOD's power. Unlike your so-called apostles, who perform pagan rituals to impress the crowds, the true apostles of Jesus Christ performed the works of an apostle. Acts 2:43. Acts 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:12 When Paul preached Christ crucified, God the Father authenticated his word by signs and wonders and miracles.

Would you like to become one of his disciples? Can you acknowledge that Christ has risen from the dead? Can you believe that God has the power to raise someone else from the dead? Can you accept the idea that God will forgive your sins?
 
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The private interpretation of the “Bible alone” does not and cannot and will not lead to a unity of faith! 2 Pet 1:20
eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Jn 1:16-17 fullness of Christ!

I agree. that is why so many rebelled againstr Romanism and its private interpretation. But true believers hav a unity even though they may be sacttered throughout all teh denominations and disagree in areas.

But Mary as Queen is notr found in Scriptures, nor is her virginbity8 anor no other children. These are made up concepts done by falsely pios philosophy.

Not scripture alone, but what the prophets spoke! And Christ explaining the scriptures, and we also are disciples, Christ also opens the scripture to us thru His church by the teaching authority of the apostles!

basically it is the Bible is our only authority that implies a personal interpretation also

The Scriptures were given us by the Ho;ly spirit. The Apostles were mere obedient slaves in writing what God commanded them to write!

Personal interpretations are sin! Peter the Apostle whopm you revere as the first Pontificus Maximus said no teaching of teh Scripture is of any private interpretation!

We may have many applications from a verse, but there is only one interpretation of a verse.


acts 8 the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him

not Bible alone and a personal interpretation!

Yes the eunuch had not heard of Jesus and needed to be taught how teh SCripture applied. That does not give any pope the right to privately interpret any scripture.


example: of the word of God not in the Bible alone!

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Not wishing to be insulting but we only know of these because they became SCripture! You are taking an example of things that were in the process of Scripture being formed! But the canon of Scripture is closed and there is no more addition to th eWord of God.
 

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We conform to his LIFE not his death.

You cite 1 Corinthians 1:23 but forgot 1 Corinthians 1:24, where Paul has focused on the power of God. And in that context, the specific act of power Paul has in mind is the resurrection of Christ Jesus from the dead. That is, the Father's power to maintain human life. Even if a person should die, he is able to bring him back to life. The same idea appears in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 and Galatians chapter 3.

Unlike the Catholic church, which depicts Christ crucified with an image of a man nailed to a cross, Paul depicted Christ crucified with signs and miracles depicting GOD's power. Unlike your so-called apostles, who perform pagan rituals to impress the crowds, the true apostles of Jesus Christ performed the works of an apostle. Acts 2:43. Acts 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:12 When Paul preached Christ crucified, God the Father authenticated his word by signs and wonders and miracles.

Would you like to become one of his disciples? Can you acknowledge that Christ has risen from the dead? Can you believe that God has the power to raise someone else from the dead? Can you accept the idea that God will forgive your sins?

we must also suffer with him


Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:



Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Rev 2:23 .....I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
 
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we must also suffer with him


Christian suffering!

Patience Implies suffering!

In order to bear fruit we must deny ourself, suffer, and die!

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verses of Christian suffering:

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:



Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Rev 2:23 .....I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


Yes Paul told us all who will live godly in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution, but what is you rpoint here????????
 

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I agree. that is why so many rebelled againstr Romanism and its private interpretation. But true believers hav a unity even though they may be sacttered throughout all teh denominations and disagree in areas.

But Mary as Queen is notr found in Scriptures, nor is her virginbity8 anor no other children. These are made up concepts done by falsely pios philosophy.



The Scriptures were given us by the Ho;ly spirit. The Apostles were mere obedient slaves in writing what God commanded them to write!

Personal interpretations are sin! Peter the Apostle whopm you revere as the first Pontificus Maximus said no teaching of teh Scripture is of any private interpretation!

We may have many applications from a verse, but there is only one interpretation of a verse.




Yes the eunuch had not heard of Jesus and needed to be taught how teh SCripture applied. That does not give any pope the right to privately interpret any scripture.




Not wishing to be insulting but we only know of these because they became SCripture! You are taking an example of things that were in the process of Scripture being formed! But the canon of Scripture is closed and there is no more addition to th eWord of God.

rev 12:1 Mary is queen
And found favor with God Lk 1:30
Received half his kingdom
The queen of mercy
 

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rev 12:1 Mary is queen
And found favor with God Lk 1:30
Received half his kingdom
The queen of mercy

The only one you got correct is number 2
The woman clothed with the sun is a symbol for Israel and she is never called queen. The crown is not a diadem of roylaty but a stephanos or voctors crown which is not a royal crown.

Things you should know if you studied Gods Inspired Woprd.

Never got anything of a kingdom. NOt in Gods Word, but Mans Word.


we are called to suffer
Required for salvation and glorification
Phil 1:29

never for salvation.

Is Sunday school, tent meetings, revivals, communion of first Sunday in the NT?

No and they are not scriptural either like Purgatory, Perpewtual virginity, holy days of obligations etc.etc. these are man made. Organizations can make these rules for their denominations, but to say they are a sin against God is anti-God.
 

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The only one you got correct is number 2
The woman clothed with the sun is a symbol for Israel and she is never called queen. The crown is not a diadem of roylaty but a stephanos or voctors crown which is not a royal crown.

Things you should know if you studied Gods Inspired Woprd.

Never got anything of a kingdom. NOt in Gods Word, but Mans Word.




never for salvation.



No and they are not scriptural either like Purgatory, Perpewtual virginity, holy days of obligations etc.etc. these are man made. Organizations can make these rules for their denominations, but to say they are a sin against God is anti-God.

no rev 12:1 the woman is the adversary of Satan the old red dragon
Israel was in cahoots with Satan! Crucify him! Crucify him!

they never had the testimony of Jesus or kept the commandments vs 17

the man child is Jesus Christ and Mary is his mother the woman must be Mary

Mary is satans adversary gen 3:15
Enmity total war between Mary and Satan

Queen of heaven
In the line of david’s kingdom the mother of the king is always queen
Jesus is king Lk 1:32-33
And king of heaven so Mary is queen of heaven

A Royal greeting!

Lk 1:28 is the only place in the Bible where such a greeting takes place!
Mary is of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!

God himself is greeting Mary thru the instrument of the angel Gabriel!

This is a Royal greeting of the queen of heaven and earth! Queen of the angels and saints! Mary is of the house of king David!

In the line of king David the mother of the king is the queen, as Jesus Christ is the king of heaven and earth and the angels and saints so Mary is the queen of the same! Lk 1:32-33

Lk 1:28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
29 And when she had heard, she was troubled in his word, and thought what manner salutation this was.
30 And the angel said to her, Dread thou not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Mary is queen in rev 12:1 and heb 4:16
Mother of divine grace


Queen Esther
Fair Esther 2:7
Mary all fair Song of Solomon 4:12
Found Favor Esther 2:17
Mary found favor with God Lk 1:30
Esther saves her people interceding with the king
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

2 Tim 2: 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. How much more Mary who was prepared by God thru the immaculate conception! Lk 1:49
 

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Why only when it was written down decades later
You are not correct in the above. The scriptures were written down as soon as people were able.
KJV Luke 1:1-2
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

And not just the other gospels. And apart from John's gospel, it is fairly certain they were all written before 70ad. Those many who had written down those events and preaching etc they witnessed, of course weren't gospels, but they were eye witness testimony, and possibly used by the gospel writers as source material.

But the entire purpose of this thread is designed for one thing. To add veracity to claims by the Vatican that she also has the infallible word of God, spoken and written down in the form of canons and dogmas. But posts in forums and web sites and blogs are the only, repeat only, means by which Catholicism can give credence to the idea. As if God changed His mind regarding the major doctrines of scripture, correcting the apostles through the writings and "inspired" words of Popes. Sorry guys, but it doesn't hold up. Not even for a moment.
 

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You are not correct in the above. The scriptures were written down as soon as people were able.
KJV Luke 1:1-2
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

And not just the other gospels. And apart from John's gospel, it is fairly certain they were all written before 70ad. Those many who had written down those events and preaching etc they witnessed, of course weren't gospels, but they were eye witness testimony, and possibly used by the gospel writers as source material.

But the entire purpose of this thread is designed for one thing. To add veracity to claims by the Vatican that she also has the infallible word of God, spoken and written down in the form of canons and dogmas. But posts in forums and web sites and blogs are the only, repeat only, means by which Catholicism can give credence to the idea. As if God changed His mind regarding the major doctrines of scripture, correcting the apostles through the writings and "inspired" words of Popes. Sorry guys, but it doesn't hold up. Not even for a moment.

Jn 20:21-23 he breathed on them
Matt 28:19 the apostles have the authority of Christ no so called reformer does