The Only Problem With The Trinity

theefaith said:

then Mary must holy and immaculate!

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We are all holy, those of us who are filled with the Spirit of God. And Mary, during the time she was alive, was holy. Immaculate? No. For all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Backlit said:

We are all holy, those of us who are filled with the Spirit of God. And Mary, during the time she was alive, was holy. Immaculate? No. For all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

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she was the dwelling place of God

rom 3 is not absolute
There are exceptions

Mary immaculate!

It is morally impossible for God the Holy Spirit to conceive in a sinner!

Mary must be consecrated to God’s service!

Anything consecrated to God’s service must be Holy, pure, set apart and not used for another purpose, immaculate!

Lk 1:28 the Lord is with Mary!
Lk 1:28 Mary is blessed!
Lk 1:38 the handmaid of the Lord!

Must be immaculately pure and holy!
Lk 1:49 God made Mary immaculate!

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
(Enmities total war, none of satan’s works found in Mary who is immaculate purity)
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun, immaculate purity!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
(Immaculate purity, full of grace, blessed)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Mary must have immaculate purity)

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Preserved by God from all sin in virtue of the merits of the blood of the savior who is Her son)

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
(Immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus by the HS)

Song of Solomon 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. What you say about Mary reflects in Christ! And in God who created her immaculate! Our love reverence and devotion also reflects on Christ who’s virtues she is filled with and on God who filled her with all graces!

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

theefaith said:

It is morally impossible for God the Holy Spirit to conceive in a sinner!

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And yet the Son took upon Himself the sins of the world, He who was attested to be equal to the holy Spirit and to the Father right, even taking our fallen nature in order to save us...
KJV Hebrews 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
KJV Romans 8:3
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

MatthewG said:

Holy means set apart.

Did you know that?

Sometimes you see holy you just think??? Not sure what is that you think when you hear holy?

Mary was a virgin - she was set apart from others who were not virgins; Mary was seen as the one to be able to bear the child so God decided she would bear child and the holy spiritual over shadowed her I believe and she became pregnant also with the Son of Man/Son of God - Jesus Christ who grew up and learned scripture, and grew in spirit.

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Yes it also means pure immaculate sinless Lk 1:49 great things
Lk 1:28 full of grace
Rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity

Lk 1:49 what things?

MatthewG said:

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The only understanding that has been made know to me about the trinity.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


The Word was with God in the Beginning.
The Word was with God.
The Word was God.

Notice Word: Word was with with, and was God and was at the Beginning.

Now the Word: maybe it was in a the form of a shape; all I know is that have no idea what the Word looks like of God and have no ability to see it; Yes the Word was made flesh. This scripture however is still talking about in the Beginning; was the Word with, and was God.

To me the was God is this: the Word of God was a part of God. When God spoke; the Word then had the power to create. So God spoke through the Word -> in which Created the light, heavens, and earth, the Word was with God in the beginning.

The Word was with God, was apart of God (as the mouthpiece), and was with God in the beginning.

The Word - What does that look to do you?

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The Holy Spirit - is not a person in my opinion because what does a spirit look like? Can you describe it to me exactly?

~~~

The Father : God ; our Father - Jesus Christ's Father, : God is a spirit ~ Not flesh and bones.

~~~

By and through scripture you can understand these concepts. Though many people like to argue against trinity and whatever, but no one will ever be 100% on it ever period in this lifetime.

My conclusions is that I just do not see 3 people in 1 God. Though do believe that God, the Son of God, and The Holy Spirit all agree and testify as one about the truth of the Heavenly Realms. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, the Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father are completely worthy of trusting and placing hope in.

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In speaking about the Holy Spirit, Jesus described Him as a teacher, a helper, One like Him, and as one who took what He received from the Father and gives it to us. He used personal terms and pronouns in regard to the Holy Spirit, as He did of the Father, who He also defined as Spirit.
I took a quick look at an on line definition of person, and other than its grammatical use, the only definition that doesn't refer to a human being is that of the godhead.

Applying a term defined as being human to Spirit is problematic from the start, but implies the nonphysical qualities of humanity. Eg: personality, character, emotion, will, choice, etc.
Since the physical world is our normal experience from birth, we tend to get the idea that man was created in the appearance of God, but spirit has no appearance unless it manifests to the physical world. Christians aren't being renewed in the appearance of God, and I'm reasonably sure that we all will not look like Jesus in the resurrection.
What the world does in general, is create gods in our own image. The gods of the ancient world suffered all the weaknesses of fallen human character, but the progressive Revelation of God through scripture, culminating in the person of His Son, reveals a "person" as far removed from fallen man as the night is from the day.
What exactly would be the point of baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit if one or two weren't "persons? "

let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:10-12

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matthew 28:18-20
These two passages are perhaps the most relevant passages to salvation and the mission of the body of Christ.

The real problem regarding the doctrine of the trinity is its use by the Jehovah's witnesses and similar cults to attack the divinity of Jesus Christ and preach a false gospel leading to their own destruction.
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:7-10

Don't listen to thieves and liars. Don't give them your time. Don't give a foothold to the enemies of your soul, but stand firm in the Lord Jesus Christ, blessed forever. Amen

michaelvpardo said:

let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:10-12

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matthew 28:18-20
These two passages are perhaps the most relevant passages to salvation and the mission of the body of Christ.

The real problem regarding the doctrine of the trinity is its use by the Jehovah's witnesses and similar cults to attack the divinity of Jesus Christ and preach a false gospel leading to their own destruction.
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:7-10

Don't listen to thieves and liars. Don't give them your time. Don't give a foothold to the enemies of your soul, but stand firm in the Lord Jesus Christ, blessed forever. Amen

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One didn't require faith in the trinity doctrine to believe and accept the full divinity of Christ. Many teach, especially Catholics, the the trinity was formulated in order to defend the divinity of Christ. It wasn't needed.

The Christian doctrine of the trinity is a mystery of faith!

The Didache
“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

“For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 18:2).

Justin Martyr
“We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

Theophilus of Antioch
“It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom” (To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).

Irenaeus
“For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian
“We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit” (Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).

“And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (ibid.).

“Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (ibid., 9).

“Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are one’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number” (ibid., 25).

Origen
“For we do not hold that which the heretics imagine: that some part of the being of God was converted into the Son, or that the Son was procreated by the Father from non-existent substances, that is, from a being outside himself, so that there was a time when he [the Son] did not exist” (The Fundamental Doctrines 4:4:1 [A.D. 225]).

“For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages” (ibid.).

Hippolytus
“The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God” (Refutation of All Heresies 10:29 [A.D. 228]).

Pope Dionysius
“Next, then, I may properly turn to those who divide and cut apart and destroy the most sacred proclamation of the Church of God, making of it [the Trinity], as it were, three powers, distinct substances, and three godheads. . . . [Some heretics] proclaim that there are in some way three gods, when they divide the sacred unity into three substances foreign to each other and completely separate” (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1 [A.D. 262]).

“Therefore, the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is blasphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd” (ibid., 1–2).

“Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine unity. . . . Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son; and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. ‘For,’ he says, ‘The Father and I are one,’ and ‘I am in the Father, and the Father in me’” (ibid., 3).

Gregory the Wonderworker
“There is one God. . . . There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything superinduced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever” (Declaration of Faith [A.D. 265]).

Sechnall of Ireland
“Hymns, with Revelation and the Psalms of God [Patrick] sings, and does expound the same for the edifying of God’s people. This law he holds in the Trinity of the sacred Name and teaches one being in three persons” (Hymn in Praise of St. Patrick 22 [A.D. 444]).

Patrick of Ireland
“I bind to myself today the strong power of an invocation of the Trinity—the faith of the Trinity in unity, the Creator of the universe” (The Breastplate of St. Patrick 1 [A.D. 447]).

“[T]here is no other God, nor has there been heretofore, nor will there be hereafter, except God the Father unbegotten, without beginning, from whom is all beginning, upholding all things, as we say, and his Son Jesus Christ, whom we likewise to confess to have always been with the Father—before the world’s beginning. . . . Jesus Christ is the Lord and God in whom we believe . . . and who has poured out on us abundantly the Holy Spirit . . . whom we confess and adore as one God in the Trinity of the sacred Name” (Confession of St. Patrick 4 [A.D. 452]).

Augustine
“All the Catholic interpreters of the divine books of the Old and New Testaments whom I have been able to read, who wrote before me about the Trinity, which is God, intended to teach in accord with the Scriptures that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are of one and the same substance constituting a divine unity with an inseparable equality; and therefore there are not three gods but one God, although the Father begot the Son, and therefore he who is the Son is not the Father; and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son but only the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, himself, too, coequal to the Father and to the Son and belonging to the unity of the Trinity” (The Trinity1:4:7 [A.D. 408]).

Fulgence of Ruspe
“See, in short you have it that the Father is one, the Son another, and the Holy Spirit another; in Person, each is other, but in nature they are not other. In this regard he says: ‘The Father and I, we are one’ (John 10:30). He teaches us that one refers to their nature, and we are to their Persons. In like manner it is said: ‘There are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit; and these three are one’ (1 John 5:7)” (The Trinity 4:1–2 [c. A.D. 515]).

“But in the one true God and Trinity it is naturally true not only that God is one but also that he is a Trinity, for the reason that the true God himself is a Trinity of Persons and one in nature. Through this natural unity the whole Father is in the Son and in the Holy Spirit, and the whole Holy Spirit, too, is in the Father and in the Son. None of these is outside any of the others; because no one of them precedes any other of them in eternity or exceeds any other in greatness, or is superior to any other in power” (The Rule of Faith 4 [c. A.D. 523).






1 jn 2: 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

God is immutable / unchangeable!

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but mywords shall not pass away.

Only God may say this

2 pet 2:2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

theefaith said:

Only God may say this

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Unless one is speaking the words of God. This is what prophets do and does not make them God.

MatthewG said:

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The only understanding that has been made know to me about the trinity.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


The Word was with God in the Beginning.
The Word was with God.
The Word was God.

Notice Word: Word was with with, and was God and was at the Beginning.

Now the Word: maybe it was in a the form of a shape; all I know is that have no idea what the Word looks like of God and have no ability to see it; Yes the Word was made flesh. This scripture however is still talking about in the Beginning; was the Word with, and was God.

To me the was God is this: the Word of God was a part of God. When God spoke; the Word then had the power to create. So God spoke through the Word -> in which Created the light, heavens, and earth, the Word was with God in the beginning.

The Word was with God, was apart of God (as the mouthpiece), and was with God in the beginning.

The Word - What does that look to do you?

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The Holy Spirit - is not a person in my opinion because what does a spirit look like? Can you describe it to me exactly?

~~~

The Father : God ; our Father - Jesus Christ's Father, : God is a spirit ~ Not flesh and bones.

~~~

By and through scripture you can understand these concepts. Though many people like to argue against trinity and whatever, but no one will ever be 100% on it ever period in this lifetime.

My conclusions is that I just do not see 3 people in 1 God. Though do believe that God, the Son of God, and The Holy Spirit all agree and testify as one about the truth of the Heavenly Realms. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, the Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father are completely worthy of trusting and placing hope in.

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We have no need to believe that we cannot know 100% during this lifetime. We have the mind of Christ. He is with us.

This whole matter is simply a misunderstandings of what is meant by God's explanation and revealing of himself to his children. The point here is that he was and is speaking to children; and just as we would explain mature matters to our own children by breaking things down into bite size pieces, he has done the same. He has explained what cannot be divided, and divided it only for the sake of explanation. God is One.

God uses this same method of explanation all throughout scripture, line upon line, as it were. For example: the scriptures define God who is without time "without shadow of turning", as "the same yesterday, today, and forever" (1-2-3), more truthfully stated of himself, simply as "I am." Which is to say that there is no contradiction between the two defining points...but rather, that one is as it is, and the other is simply for explanation to those with the minds of children.

And thus, the new testament refers to the need for maturity and growing in the faith. For this same reason, Christ also said, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." John 16:12

Wrangler said:

Unless one is speaking the words of God. This is what prophets do and does not make them God.

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I don’t know anywhere that it says a prophets words won’t pass away

Aunty Jane?

I thought you were a Christian?

theefaith said:

I don’t know anywhere that it says a prophets words won’t pass away

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The prophet speaks the words God gave him. They are not the prophets words but God's words. See Isaiah "I am the First and the Last." When he said that, everyone knew he was not claiming to be the deity but speaking for him.

theefaith said:

I don’t know anywhere that it says a prophets words won’t pass away

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Wrangler said:

The prophet speaks the words God gave him. They are not the prophets words but God's words. See Isaiah "I am the First and the Last." When he said that, everyone knew he was not claiming to be the deity but speaking for him.

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"But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.
And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people." Isaiah 51:15-16

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away" Matt 24:35

Wrangler said:

The prophet speaks the words God gave him. They are not the prophets words but God's words. See Isaiah "I am the First and the Last." When he said that, everyone knew he was not claiming to be the deity but speaking for him.

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God’s words don’t pass away not mans

MatthewG said:

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The only understanding that has been made know to me about the trinity.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


The Word was with God in the Beginning.
The Word was with God.
The Word was God.

Notice Word: Word was with with, and was God and was at the Beginning.

Now the Word: maybe it was in a the form of a shape; all I know is that have no idea what the Word looks like of God and have no ability to see it; Yes the Word was made flesh. This scripture however is still talking about in the Beginning; was the Word with, and was God.

To me the was God is this: the Word of God was a part of God. When God spoke; the Word then had the power to create. So God spoke through the Word -> in which Created the light, heavens, and earth, the Word was with God in the beginning.

The Word was with God, was apart of God (as the mouthpiece), and was with God in the beginning.

The Word - What does that look to do you?

~~~

The Holy Spirit - is not a person in my opinion because what does a spirit look like? Can you describe it to me exactly?

~~~

The Father : God ; our Father - Jesus Christ's Father, : God is a spirit ~ Not flesh and bones.

~~~

By and through scripture you can understand these concepts. Though many people like to argue against trinity and whatever, but no one will ever be 100% on it ever period in this lifetime.

My conclusions is that I just do not see 3 people in 1 God. Though do believe that God, the Son of God, and The Holy Spirit all agree and testify as one about the truth of the Heavenly Realms. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord God Almighty, the Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father are completely worthy of trusting and placing hope in.

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We Christians are... supposed to understand this. It's simple actually.

The Book of Hebrews tells us that Jesus is the 'express image of His person'. We know that by how Lord Jesus appeared in the flesh here on earth. But did you realize Jesus also appeared to Abraham back in OT times? (see Genesis 18). That was long before He was ever born in the flesh. So what image did He appear to Abraham with?

Thus Lord Jesus existed as The Spirit of God before He was born in the flesh like us. He became The Son for the purpose of the cross. Jesus had a specific Office prior to being born in the flesh. Hebrews 7 shows He was the Melchizedek (King of Righteousness), without father or mother, that met Abraham and offered him 'bread and wine'. Jesus is still in that Office of the order of Melchizedek as our rightful King.

When Jesus came in the flesh, He didn't stop being God. Only God could accomplish what He did while in the flesh, being perfect without sin. Those who refuse to believe that Jesus is God also have a problem believing that He was without sin, further showing their lack of faith. But that is one of the main pivot points, believing that Jesus was God in the flesh and without sin. If not, then He wouldn't be The Savior, and our Salvation through Jesus Christ would be meaningless. This is why the devil's servants deceive with casting doubt about Jesus' Divinity.