Tradition of men?

The tradition of men under king James (KJV bible)

who has authority from Christ to decide what is and what is not scripture?

what was scripture before the KJV?

why is the faith story of Susana in dan 13 not scripture in the 66 books bible?

luther said James Jude and revelation are not scripture, so who has apostolic authority from Christ to decide???

the list of the Ten Commandments are not scripture, the whole thing is scripture and listed but we don’t have the tablets so who decides where the 1st ends and the second begins?

chapters and verses are also not scripture but added later

Spiritual anarchy with no authority or apostolic tradition with the authority of Jesus Christ?

Robert Gwin said:

Jesus while on earth initiated a new covenant, and after his return to heaven, that covenant was put into force on Pentecost of the year 33 CE, and the Christian faith was born. During the first century we had the governing body to make the decisions under the heavenly authorities, however there was a prophesied period of apostasy that would occur, which was in full swing by the death of the apostles. This period would go until the end of the appointed times of the nations, when Jesus would receive the crown of King in God's Kingdom. That event started the last day period of this world of people. Jesus gave the signs for his disciples to know when this occurred. It would be during these last days that Jesus would regather the sheep, Isa 2:2,3, and in his wisdom assign a faithful slave to shepherd the sheep until his return Mat 24:45. It is they that feed Jesus sheep spiritually.

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Matt 16:18 shall not prevail

the apostles are here until his return
Matt 28:19
All nations
The USA was not a nation until 1800 yrs later apostles remain until Christ returns

Bob Estey said:

I think it had been pretty much decided in the fourth century what constituted scripture. Certainly no man by himself, including Luther, could make that decision by himself. It would have been a consensus of all the Christian leaders before, and after, the fourth century. And there will always be those who disagree with which books belong and which don't. The Bible is already a long book - I don't know that it would be wise to make it even longer.

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Not a consensus but the teaching authority of the apostles

Wrangler said:

The Holy Spirit, not the Catholic Church.

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According to scripture it’s the apostles
Acts 2:43 Jn 8:32 16:13 acts 8

Robert Gwin said:

Apostolic succession is not a Bible teaching sir. Disciples however are here until his return, some of them being of the little flock.

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Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing

There can be no unity of the spirit without obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3

Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)

The papacy based on Matt 16:18 and Isa 22:21-22

Matt 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Isa 22:21-22
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)


Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Isa 22 21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18

Bob Estey said:

Matthew, Mark, and Luke weren't apostles. We don't know who wrote Hebrews, do we? Jude wasn't an apostle. Hasn't it been decided the different books attributed to John were written by different people with the name of John? The Old Testament writers weren't apostles. Acts wasn't written by an apostle.

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there is a difference between who was inspired by God to write scripture and the teaching authority of the apostles found in Matt 16:18 28:19 Jn 20:21-23

Mathew and Jude thaddaeus were apostles

Matt 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

But some apostles wrote not scripture only taught thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Wrangler said:

Nope. Still not the Catholic Church.

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Is there another?
Jn 10:16
Is there more than one christ, savior or covenant?

Wrangler said:

Yes, you know there is. There are many church denominations.

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Not according to scripture
Only one true church and many sects
One teaching with the authority of Christ free from error but many teaching every error known