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This seems to be the only occurence that you recall, but it is not!
Jody, I was responding to the point made by another poster with respect to a verse they brought up.
In I Corth.14:4 If the Un-known tongue he is talking about here was a known other language why would he call it un-known?
Because an 'unknown tongue' here means an unknown language. In other words, if you have a room full of people speaking Hebrew, and one speaking Greek, and no one knows Greek, the Greek becomes an 'unknown tongue' because no one speaks or understands it.
Plus he said that it is better to prophecy because all will benefit unless it is interpreted.
Because it is interpreted.
But then he says un-known tongues is a person only speaking to God and it only benefits that person, and Builds them up!
Right. That's understood.
I corth.14:2 It say's here clearly that he speaks in mysteries!
To God, not to men.
In verse 5 He says:I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied.
Indeed, prophecy is seemingly more valueable than languages.
In verse 14:For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is un fruitful.
No doubt.
But His spirit man is praying! That is beneficial, not vain babbleing!
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.Um, praying in the 'spirit' Jody.
Verse 18 says:I thank God , I speak with tongues more than ye all!Why would He thank God for vain babbling?
Because spoke many, many languages, not just Hebrew. He spoke Greek, Latin (he was a Roman born in a gentile city), and Aramaic which would have made being an apostle to the gentiles much easier.
This seems to be the only occurence that you recall, but it is not!
Jody, I was responding to the point made by another poster with respect to a verse they brought up.
In I Corth.14:4 If the Un-known tongue he is talking about here was a known other language why would he call it un-known?
Because an 'unknown tongue' here means an unknown language. In other words, if you have a room full of people speaking Hebrew, and one speaking Greek, and no one knows Greek, the Greek becomes an 'unknown tongue' because no one speaks or understands it.
Plus he said that it is better to prophecy because all will benefit unless it is interpreted.
Because it is interpreted.
But then he says un-known tongues is a person only speaking to God and it only benefits that person, and Builds them up!
Right. That's understood.
I corth.14:2 It say's here clearly that he speaks in mysteries!
To God, not to men.
In verse 5 He says:I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied.
Indeed, prophecy is seemingly more valueable than languages.
In verse 14:For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is un fruitful.
No doubt.
But His spirit man is praying! That is beneficial, not vain babbleing!
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.Um, praying in the 'spirit' Jody.
Verse 18 says:I thank God , I speak with tongues more than ye all!Why would He thank God for vain babbling?
Because spoke many, many languages, not just Hebrew. He spoke Greek, Latin (he was a Roman born in a gentile city), and Aramaic which would have made being an apostle to the gentiles much easier.
ERRANT IDEA) QUOTE:"Exercise caution when speaking in an unknown tongue. Be certain there is an interpeter present and no more then three praying at a time in the church. God revealed this to us in ACTS for a reason. Because there is a danger in speaking in an unknown tongue" The gentleman is is error, for the Scriptures do not state to speak in an UNKNOWN tongue, but that they would speak in OTHER tongues (i.e., other languages). This was a gift for communicating the Gospel to peoples of other languages and has absolutely nothing to do with the demonic manifestations that are being carried out in the modern deceived churches. In every occurrence of "unknown tongue," in the New Testament, the word "unknown" is an added word (italicized in the KJV) by the translators to make the English readable. It is not in the Manuscripts! In the King James Bible you see some words in italics. These are words that they had to add to properly translate the Hebrew/Greek into English. As we can see, they did not always add the right words. But they were faithful in that they placed the words that they added in italics so that we would know that the words do not appear in the original Manuscripts as such. Check your Strong's for the word "unknown" in: 1 Cor 14:2, 1 Cor 14:4, 1 Cor 14:13, 1 Cor 14:14, 1 Cor 14:19, 1 Cor 14:27; it is not there in the printed versions, and in the electronic versions it lists the definition for "tongues" not "unknown." below we supply the above Scriptures, in them we supply the italics from the printed King James Bible version (We also place those italicized words in bold print so you can spot them quickly):1 Cor 14:22 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. KJV1 Cor 14:44 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. KJV1 Cor 14:1313 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. KJV1 Cor 14:1414 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. KJV1 Cor 14:1919 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. KJV1 Cor 14:2727 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. KJV The whole thing is corrupt from top to bottom and is in desperate need of a good clean sweep by our Lord Jesus Christ!!! What a time of great change the Second Advent shall be. In the Acts Scripture that the gentleman refers to, the words are "other tongues" not UNKNOWN tongues. I would bet dollars to donuts that this man is using one of the corrupted newer version Bibles (see: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God ). Below is the "tongues" of the book of Acts, and as you can see there was nothing "unknown" about it!Acts 2:44 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (KJV)other: Greek word #2087 heteros = other or different: Tongues: Greek word #1100 glossa = a language (specially, one naturally unacquired) When they spoke this tongue, everybody understood it, the Scripture lists 18 different languages that understood it AT ONCE! Not like today's so-called tongues where only another possessed person can think that he understands it. The Pentecostal Day (Acts ch. 2) tongues were heard and understood by all languages:Acts 2:4-114 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (KJV) What is happening in the churches today is so far removed from the Scriptures that one could only suspect demonic influences. Stop babbling, it is not of God! Also, let us clear-up one more obstacle in this matter. The "Tongue Talker" teachers point to the below Scripture as a justification for their own so-called Tongue Talking in their churches. The Scripture below follows right after the above verse, so that you know that it is the exact same subject being spoken of:Acts 2:12-1612 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (KJV) What the Tongues preachers/teachers will tell you is that some men called the speakers "drunk" because they could not understand what they were saying. Based on this, the Tongue teachers assert that when they speak in their babble, which people can't understand, it is the same as in the above Acts Scripture, because, as they arrantly suppose, nobody could understand it. Not so! First of all we just read that many DID understand, in (all) their own (different) languages even; but that some could not understand. So confused were those who could not understand that they accused the speakers of being so drunk that they couldn't even form words recognizable to the human ear. Paul assures them that the men are not at all drunk. So in our above Scripture in verse 12 we saw that many did hear, but in verse 13 we saw that some did not hear:Acts 2:12-1312 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Who then are these, whom could not hear (could not understand the speech)? They were unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot hear with understanding the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit, which interprets all things (for the Christian ONLY), is not present in the unbeliever. That is why these certain men, those who were mocking, could not understand what the Holy Spirit was saying through the Inspired speakers. Jesus told us of these in another place:John 8:4343 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. (KJV) To understand Jesus is to understand the Holy Spirit, for they are One with the Father (1st John 5:7). Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice:John 10:26-3126 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.30 I and my Father are one.31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (KJV) So who were those who could not hear the Holy Spirit? It was those same who would instigate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ:John 8:42-5142 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. (KJV) Well the spirit of Pharisee'ism is alive and well in many of the compromised & spiritually corrupted Judeo-Christian churches. There is really no such thing as Judeo-Christian, it is new wine in an old (actually another) wineskin that shall burst. It is satan's dilution of the Christian faith. Are you offended that I said that satan is diluting the Christian churches in these times? Here, look at what satan has some of them doing their own so-called Christian churches today. In the below testimonies you can see the very real influence of evil spirits in some mainstream Christian denominations. Below are a couple of testimonies of Christians who came out of the delusion of the "Tongues Talking" denomination churches. First is a letter from a woman, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues, Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing experiences. (emphasis is added (bold italics) to highlight certain statements made in the below):"I have been to some really good churches where everyone was very friendly and nice but I ended up leaving these churches because these people were falling down, making animal noises, and in my opinion they were acting almost as if they were under a spell of some sort. I have never felt particularly comfortable with the practice.One day some of the ladies invited me to fellowship at one of their houses and I was a fairly new christian at the time and not well grounded in the word. After dinner, these same woman invited me to pray with them and they all started to pray in tongues which was alright but then they started to make animal noises and fall all over the place. I was immediatly feeling a sense that something was very wrong.Later, at the table, we were all talking and one woman said that when they were doing all this, she got a feeling that she should stop doing it. Guess what, she blamed it on the devil but I really felt deep down inside that it was the Holy Spirit convicting here for doing the practice.One night in a separate incident, One of the pastors at this same church laid hands on me and prayed over me with the elder. All of a sudden the Pastor pushed me down and as I laid on the floor, I looked up at him, and while he was praying in tongues, he looked at me with the glassiest and craziest look I have ever seen before. It sent a cold chill up my back and I knew something was definently wrong. Many times at church, this same pastor would stare at me with the same hypnotic glance to the point that I had to turn my head. He acted very strange and very odd when I would see him in the basement of the church. He was nice and everything but there was definently something very eerie about his presence.When I quit that church to go to another, I was told that I was being led by Satan to go to another church and that their church was the only one where I lived that was teaching the truth.I was also told that if I left that church, I would fall into apostacy so I never went back again." Next is a letter from a young mother, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues and Toronto Blessing experiences:"I have had the shaking thing [Ed note: this is the so-called: "Shaking in the Spirit] happen to me at the Pentecostal church I attend but I am wondering what it is. I do not believe it is of God. It gives me the willies.One time in fact I went to a fellowship at one of the woman who attend my church's house and two other ladies went also. I also had my kids and these women started to make animal noises and howl right in front of my kids. I played a long as I was just a babe myself, however I felt something really wrong in the spirit about this. As I have said before, I have turned from allot of the gifts due to this. I have even been trying not to speak in tongues although I fight the tongues thing. I still feel led to pray in tongues but part of me hates praying in them after what I have seen in the Pentecostal/Charismatic church." Bottom line: Talking in Tongues is not of the Holy Spirit, but is rather of evil spirits deceiving the speaker.In His Service: Nick Goggin Editor; 
