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What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? What you said has nothing to do with the Word of GOD, so you are saying nothing unfortunatelly.
I fully understand @Oseas . It is you who does not, because you claim that it's quite acceptable for Joshua to have worshiped an angel. According to you, Joshua worshiped an angel, and the angel was Michael the archangel. So angel-worship is OK with you.

You are unable to discern between Jesus and an angel, and you are quite arrogant in your error (and arrogance is not of the Holy Spirit, brother) - and in the process you fail to realize that the finger you are pointing is at the man in your own mirror, because..

But what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one defraud you, delighting in humility and worship of the angels, intruding into things which he has not seen, without a cause being vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.

Hebrews 1:6
6 And again, when He brings in the First-born into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."

Revelation 22:8-9
8 And I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things.
9 Then he said to me, Behold! Stop! For I am your fellow-servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of those who keep the sayings of this Book. Worship God.
 
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I fully understand [USER=8474]@Oseas[/USER] . It is you who does not, because you claim that it's quite acceptable for Joshua to have worshiped an angel. According to you, Joshua worshiped an angel, and the angel was Michael the archangel. So angel-worship is OK with you.

You are unable to discern between Jesus and an angel, and you are quite arrogant in your error (and arrogance is not of the Holy Spirit, brother) - and in the process you fail to realize that the finger you are pointing is at the man in your own mirror, because..

But what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE, understand?

For clarify not only for you but for all readers about GOD's Truth - the Word - and the Word says-Exodus 3:v.6 and 10:
1 Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, ...and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the ANGEL of the Lord appeared unto Moses in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: ...
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 God -the ANGEL- called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And God -the ANGEL- said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover God -the ANGEL-said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.

Exodus 7:v.1and 7 - 1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.

Exodus 23:v.20-21
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him,(beware of angel) and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for MY NAME (said the Lord) my NAME is in him. What's NAME? The Word - the Word is GOD- and He says: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

As you and all can see:

1 - GOD call Moses and said: See, I have MADE thee a god to Pharaoh: And Moses was fourscore years old.

2 - But the ANGEL who was sent to meet Moses on Mount Sina, GOD, the Almight, made him as god of Moses, and of all the people of Israel.
GOD, the Almight said: my NAME is in him. What's NAME? "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, this is my NAME for ever".

The above ANGEL was with Moses and Joshua, and both put off thy shoes from off thy feet, under the command of the ANGEL made as god of Moses, and of Joshua, and of all the people of Israel because as the Most High GOD said, "my NAME is in him". So, who Joshua was worshiping in the person of the ANGEL?

JESUS said: All men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. JOSHUA honoured the ANGEL, and He who sent him: GOD the Almighty.

But John the Apostle intended to worship the above ANGEL, but the ANGEL did not permite because now, in the New Testament, he was not sent as god as he was in the OT to help Joshua and the people of Israel reach the Promised Land to Abraham, neither could him say again the NAME of GOD was in him because the NAME of GOD now is JESUS, thus the ANGEL, in fact an Archangel, called Michael, he humbly manifest himself before John as his fellow servant, and not as god, as was in the OT before Joshua.

That said, I tell unto you, Fullness of the Gentiles, by the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD- , to whom I serve: You did not fully understand, no, absolutely. And more: Unto you and ALL readers here, I tell by the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - that all know in part, and we prophesy in part, and that which is in part shall be done away. Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

But unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by him) and LORD of lords
 

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So I can't tell anyone what to do or what not to do, but I know that the one who appeared as a man to Joshua who Joshua fell down and worshiped was not an angel, because the Bible does not tell us the man was an angel.

Neither does the Bible tell us the rider on the white horse is an angel.

I also know that there is only one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5), who appeared as a man to Joshua, and know that if we fixate our minds on angels instead of Christ alone, waiting for an angel - whether Michael or any other - to come and lead us, instead of Christ alone and the men He appointed (His human apostles), and His Holy Spirit, then we are putting ourselves in danger - because since Satan is capable of appearing as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), then he is quite capable of impersonating Michael or anyone else.

So because I started this thread, it's my duty and responsibility to warn the saints (whoever will hear) against fixating your minds on angels or an angel, instead of on Christ alone, waiting for an angel to come as the Commander of Christ's armies, instead of Christ Himself - who we are told in Revelation 19 will come on a white horse, leading his armies on white horses.

So I won't sink to the level of attempting to make anyone believe that if you do not believe what I say, then you are in danger of losing whatever God has given you:

But unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Revelation 22
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 
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Regardling Exodus 23

1 Corinthians 10:9
9 Nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted Him and were destroyed by serpents.

They tempted Christ in the wilderness, not an angel.

Ellicott's Commentary:

I send an Angel before thee.—Kalisch considers Moses to have been the “angel” or “messenger;” others understand one of the created angelic host. But most commentators see in the promise the first mention of the “Angel of the Covenant,” who is reasonably identified with the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, the Eternal Son and Word of God. When the promise is retracted on account of the sin of the golden calf, it is in the words, “I will not go up with thee” Exodus 33:3

Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary

Exodus 23:20-27

Jehovah would send an angel before them, who should guard them on the way from injury and destruction, and bring them to the place prepared for them, i.e., to Canaan. The name of Jehovah was in this angel (Exodus 23:21), that is to say, Jehovah revealed Himself in him; and hence he is called in Exodus 33:15-16, the face of Jehovah, because the essential nature of Jehovah was manifested in him. This angel was not a created spirit, therefore, but the manifestation of Jehovah Himself, who went before them in the pillar of cloud and fire, to guide and to defend them (Exodus 13:21). But because it was Jehovah who was guiding His people in the person of the angel, He demanded unconditional obedience (Exodus 23:21), and if they provoked Him (תּמּר for תּמר, see Exodus 13:18) by disobedience, He would not pardon their transgression; but if they followed Him and hearkened to His voice, He would be an enemy to their enemies, and an adversary to their adversaries (Exodus 23:22). And when the angel of the Lord had brought them to the Canaanites and exterminated the latter, Israel was still to yield the same obedience, by not serving the gods of the Canaanites, or doing after their works, i.e., by not making any idolatrous images, but destroying them ..

Other commentaries:

Exodus 23:20 Commentaries: "Behold, I am going to send an angel before you to guard you along the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.

Christians, never listen to someone who tells you that if you don't believe what he says, then God will take away from you whatever he has given you. Such talk is not the fruit of Christ, it is not of the Holy Spirit:

But unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
 
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But unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. GOD is a devouring/consuming FIRE, understand?

For clarify not only for you but for all readers about GOD's Truth - the Word - and the Word says-Exodus 3:v.6 and 10:
1 Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, ...and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the ANGEL of the Lord appeared unto Moses in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: ...
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 God -the ANGEL- called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And God -the ANGEL- said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover God -the ANGEL-said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt.

Exodus 7:v.1and 7 - 1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.

Exodus 23:v.20-21
20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him,(beware of angel) and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for MY NAME (said the Lord) my NAME is in him. What's NAME? The Word - the Word is GOD- and He says: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

As you and all can see:

1 - GOD call Moses and said: See, I have MADE thee a god to Pharaoh: And Moses was fourscore years old.

2 - But the ANGEL who was sent to meet Moses on Mount Sina, GOD, the Almight, made him as god of Moses, and of all the people of Israel.
GOD, the Almight said: my NAME is in him. What's NAME? "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, this is my NAME for ever".

The above ANGEL was with Moses and Joshua, and both put off thy shoes from off thy feet, under the command of the ANGEL made as god of Moses, and of Joshua, and of all the people of Israel because as the Most High GOD said, "my NAME is in him". So, who Joshua was worshiping in the person of the ANGEL?

JESUS said: All men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. JOSHUA honoured the ANGEL, and He who sent him: GOD the Almighty.

But John the Apostle intended to worship the above ANGEL, but the ANGEL did not permite because now, in the New Testament, he was not sent as god as he was in the OT to help Joshua and the people of Israel reach the Promised Land to Abraham, neither could him say again the NAME of GOD was in him because the NAME of GOD now is JESUS, thus the ANGEL, in fact an Archangel, called Michael, he humbly manifest himself before John as his fellow servant, and not as god, as was in the OT before Joshua.

That said, I tell unto you, Fullness of the Gentiles, by the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD- , to whom I serve: You did not fully understand, no, absolutely. And more: Unto you and ALL readers here, I tell by the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - that all know in part, and we prophesy in part, and that which is in part shall be done away. Whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

But unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by him) and LORD of lords
As you can see in Posts #583 and 584, I've chosen to allow myself to continue making a clown of myself along with you by continuing to argue with you about this (instead of just ignoring you) - but only because I know that in the process saints will be learning that though someone veils statements and subtle insinuations about another Christian's status with God when such other person or persons do not adhere to what he tells them is true, then though you veil such statements in the clothing of feigned holiness, no one need be fooled by how holy your words may "sound" - especially because what you claim is your opinion, and your opinion is not the Word of God just because you claim it is.
 
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I also know that there is only one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5), who appeared as a man to Joshua, and know that if we fixate our minds on angels instead of Christ alone, waiting for an angel - whether Michael or any other - to come and lead us, instead of Christ alone and the men He appointed (His human apostles), and His Holy Spirit, then we are putting ourselves in danger - because since Satan is capable of appearing as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), then he is quite capable of impersonating Michael or anyone else.
Precious friend, yes agree - God's Word Of GRACE, Through Paul, Is Very Plain and Clear, As to WHOM we are to be "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting for":

................................ The LORD JESUS CHRIST!:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19, Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;
1 Corinthians 1:7
; Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20;
Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11;
Titus 2:13)


Thus, this Sound Doctrine Eliminates ALL UNbiblical guessing, calculating, and
speculation of the who, when, where, and how of the end times - dates, timing,
seasons, arrival of antichrist, judgments, seals, vials, bowls, etc., and all this
In Light of This Scripture:

1Co 4:6 "And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred
to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us

not to think above That Which Is Written, ◄

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."

May God Have MERCY! God's Simple Will!

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, today?)

 
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So I can't tell anyone what to do or what not to do, but I know that the one who appeared as a man to Joshua who Joshua fell down and worshiped was not an angel, because the Bible does not tell us the man was an angel.
You do well. In fact you do not know who appearead as a MAN to Joshua, but first you said he was/is JESUS, but he is not JESUS really. I'm not rebuking or censuring you for saying that, my work by the Word of GOD is to clarify, or better to reveal, and not to berating, except the wicked people and their father, the Devil, also called red Dragon in this time of Apocalypse.


Neither does the Bible tell us the rider on the white horse is an angel.
Well, JESUS is the KING of kings (kings made by Him)and LORD of lords, so you should know that "it is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter"Prov.25:2. Have you never read? We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew:...But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1 Cor.2:v.7-10
What prevails is the Word of GOD, not human opinions.I work with the Word of GOD.The Word is GOD.

I also know that there is only one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5), who appeared as a man to Joshua,
What Timothy preached and is written is true. What you said and are preaching is not true, no, absolutely no.

and know that if we fixate our minds on angels instead of Christ alone, waiting for an angel - whether Michael or any other - to come and lead us, instead of Christ alone
What I know, and you, and ALL here know too, JESUS still is sat at the right hand of the Father, even after had passed around 2.000 years that He sent His angel to meet John in Patmos, and the angel of the Lord give and command John to write "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He-JESUS- sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John - and to us too:
Remember Revelation 22:v.16-17
: JESUS said: "16-I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

and the men He appointed (His human apostles), and His Holy Spirit, then we are putting ourselves in danger - because since Satan is capable of appearing as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), then he is quite capable of impersonating Michael or anyone else.
If you, in this case, were grounded in the Truth, you wouldn't be so startled, afraid. In 2Corinthians 2:v.12 to 15 we read Paul Apostle saying to the Church:
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion...that they may be found even as we. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Interpreting the verses above, The light is the Word of GOD, so Satan, the old Serpent, called the Devil, today called the great red Dragon, a RELIGIOUS MONSTER STRUCTURED on 7 heads, and 10 horns, and a satanic TAIL, by which he works among the believers, even among God's people, still in heavenly place, yeah, Satan will manifest himself as messiah (John 5:v.43 to 47), even as God. transformed as an angel of light.
About the person of Satan, the son of perditon, the MAN of sin, the same Apostle Paul warned the Church of Thessalonians and to us too, saying that "Satan will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he -Satan- as God will sit in the temple of God -in Israel -, shewing himself that he is God.

The prophecy described above will fulfil LITERALLY in near days to come, so the whole world will know Satan in person sit on a throne in Israel, in the great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, but not as a Devil, but as a messiah, as a God . HERE IS BEING REVEALED AND STATED THE PORTRAIT OF SATAN HOW HE IS WHEN HE PRESENTS HIMSELF AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.

With regard to the Ministers of Satan, they manifested themselves as Apostles in the time of Paul, but today, in this time of Apocalipse, the MINISTERS OF SATAN manifest themselves as Pastors, and Bishops, and Theologians, and Evangelists, and Missionaries, among others, and they are on the pulpits of the Churches, and TVs, and Sites, this the reason by which the Churches are full of apostasy, and idolatry, and the worse, the Churches become cold and died Churches without the presence of the Holy Spirit, but mere human spirits and deceiver spirits..
How to discern this satanic picture among us without the gift of discernment? Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit?

So because I started this thread, it's my duty and responsibility to warn the saints (whoever will hear) against fixating your minds on angels or an angel, instead of on Christ alone,
Friend, I see that there are people here more prepared than you, and they discern what you are intending to pass on to them, and they do not depend on you but on the Word of GOD to be fixed on the Lord JESUS.

waiting for an angel to come as the Commander of Christ's armies, instead of Christ Himself - who we are told in Revelation 19 will come on a white horse, leading his armies on white horses.
Remember Revelation 22:v.16: JESUS said: "16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Why do not you preach the Word of GOD as it is written? He that is of God heareth God's words. Revelation 19 says that the whitehorse rider has a NAME, a name written, that no MAN knows, but he himself-Rev.19:v.12. Why are you saying he is JESUS if in fact is not JESUS? If it was JESUS would be written JESUS, not "no MAN knows, but he himself". NO MAN KNOWS THE NAME OF JESUS? OF CORSE THE MAN KNOWS, not only men, but the angels , and even the demons know the NAME of JESUS. Why and for what are you contradicting Scriptures? Be careful and preach what is written, do not invent.

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Continuation from above
So I won't sink to the level of attempting to make anyone believe that if you do not believe what I say, then you are in danger of losing whatever God has given you:
The discussion is about the Word of God - the Word is GOD - you did not understand this mystery yet, so if there is any in danger to lose whatever God has given it is he who is not speaking Truth here or elsewhere. See, this is not an opinion of mine, it is the Word of GOD who says that-the Wword is GOD- Isaiah 8:v.20-22:
20 To the law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

21 And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
22 And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

Revelation 22
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

Yes, he is the fellowservant of God's people, and JESUS who sent him is greater than him. Revelation 22:v.16 - 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 

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.. is riding a white horse.

The color white in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The color gold in the Revelation speaks louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

The two different Greek words for "crown" in the Revelation speak louder than a thousand books about the Revelation.

Jesus' head and hair appear white like wool (Rev 1:14).
A white stone with a saint's name written on it (Rev 2:17).
The white raiment of the saints (Rev.3:5 & 18; 6:11; 7:9, 13 & 14).
The white clothing of the 24 elders (Rev 4:4).
The white clothing of angels (Rev 15:6).
The white raiment of the bride of Christ (Rev 19:8).
The Great White Throne (Rev 20:11).
Christ seated on a white cloud (Rev 14:14).
Christ returns on a white horse, leading His armies (Rev 19:11).
Christ's armies are riding white horses (Rev 19:14).
The first horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a white horse (Rev 6:2).
(The second horseman of the Apocalypse is riding a red horse, which is the color of the dragon in Rev 12:3)

PURE GOLD
Rev.1:13 & 20 & 2:1 (golden lampstands, golden band around the breast of the Son of man);
Rev.3:18 (gold tried in the fire);
Rev.4:4 (golden crowns of the 24 elders in heaven);
Rev.5:18 (golden vials full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints);
Rev. 8:3 & 9:13 (golden censer, golden altar);
Rev. 14:14 (golden crown of the Son of man);
Rev.15:6 (golden bands around the angels' chests);
Rev.15:7 (golden bowls of God's wrath);
Rev.21:15 (golden reed to measure the holy city, new Jerusalem);
Rev. 21:18 (the New Jerusalem is a city of pure gold);
Rev.21:21 (the New Jerusalem's street is of pure gold).

GOLD AND WHITE
"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see." (Revelation 3:18) (Gold is a metal which must be smelted in great heat in order to purify it).

CROWNS
Stéphanos ("crown): "apparently primary στέφω stéphō, (to twine or wreathe); a chaplet (as a badge of royalty, a prize in the public games or a symbol of honor generally; but more conspicuous and elaborate than the simple fillet, (ie diádēma), literally or figuratively:--crown."

A stéphanos is a crown of honor, and a crown of honor can only be received by a person when someone else with a much higher status (usually a king) bestows it upon him or her. But someone with royal authority wears a diádēma.

The 24 elders (and also the saints) in the Revelation are all crowned with stéphanos (crowns of honor bestowed upon them), but the crowns on the heads of the dragon (Revelation 12:3) and the ten kings (Revelation 13:1) are diádēma.

The word stéphanos (crown of honor) is found in the following verses:-
Rev 12:1 (crown of 12 stars on the woman's head);
Rev 2:10 & 3:11 (the crowns of the saints);
Rev 4:4 & 10 (the crowns of the 24 elders).
Rev 6:2 (the crown on the head of the rider of the white horse: the first horseman of the Apocalypse).

In Revelation 14:14 Jesus is crowned with a stéphanos (crown of honor). In this passage His appearance is in the form of the Son of man (Whom, as we know, has been given a name above all names),

but in Revelation 19:19 He is crowned with MANY diádēma. In this passage He is returning as King of (all) kings and Lord of (all) Lords (see Revelation 19:16).

FAKE CROWNS AND FOOLS GOLD
"Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns (stéphanos) similar to gold, and their faces looked like men's faces." (Revelation 9:7)

THE GLORY OF GOD ABUSED BY A HARLOT?
The New Jerusalem is a city of gold with precious stones, gates of pearls, and its street is of gold.(Rev 21:18-21)

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet. And she was gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." (Revelation 17:4)

The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is NOT... our Lord Jesus Christ!

That Rev.6:1-2 rider has a 'bow' of cheap fabric (toxon in the Greek), but... Lord Jesus comes wielding a sword that cuts both ways! (Revelation 19:15 and Revelation 2:12). This means the Revelation 6:1-2 white horse rider is NOT Jesus!

Those who don't know about the Revelation 6:1-2 rider on a white horse is a FAKE is because they have NOT heeded what Lord Jesus warned about the false one that comes first, playing Christ. Lord Jesus warned about that, and Apostle Paul warned about it, and Jesus again warned about that through Apostle John. So brethren that don't know about it have no excuse.
 

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The rider on the white horse in Revelation 6 is NOT... our Lord Jesus Christ!

That Rev.6:1-2 rider has a 'bow' of cheap fabric (toxon in the Greek), but... Lord Jesus comes wielding a sword that cuts both ways! (Revelation 19:15 and Revelation 2:12). This means the Revelation 6:1-2 white horse rider is NOT Jesus!

TRUE. What matters is the Truth.

To say the whitehorse rider is Jesus, it is a lie, in fact no lie is of the Truth. John, the Apostle, warned, saying
: I have not written unto you because ye know not the Truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

 

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TRUE. What matters is the Truth.

To say the whitehorse rider is Jesus, it is a lie, in fact no lie is of the Truth. John, the Apostle, warned, saying
: I have not written unto you because ye know not the Truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

Yet, shouldn't we reveal just who... that rider on the white horse of Revelation 6 actually is?

In Revelation 6, Jesus gave the main Signs of the very end of this world leading up to His future return. The Seals directly link to the Signs He gave in His Olivet discourse (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21).

Within His Olivet discourse, He forewarned of a pseudo-Christ coming first that the deceived will say is Christ. Lord Jesus warned us to not believe it when they say that; not even if they say He is in the secret chambers (i.e., in the holy place, in the temple). That parallels the warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 about the "man of sin" coming to sit in a new temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God, and over all that is even called God, or that is worshipped. Paul called that event "strong delusion".

The very first Sign Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse about the end, was to not allow any man deceive us. That is exactly what that rider on a white horse tries to do in playing Christ in our near future, in Jerusalem. Jesus comes on a white horse per Revelation 19. That one in Revelation 6 thus tries to mimic Jesus on a white horse. It is a major WARNING for the end of this world.
 

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Yet, shouldn't we reveal just who... that rider on the white horse of Revelation 6 actually is?

In Revelation 6, Jesus gave the main Signs of the very end of this world leading up to His future return. The Seals directly link to the Signs He gave in His Olivet discourse (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21).

Within His Olivet discourse, He forewarned of a pseudo-Christ coming first that the deceived will say is Christ. Lord Jesus warned us to not believe it when they say that; not even if they say He is in the secret chambers (i.e., in the holy place, in the temple). That parallels the warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 about the "man of sin" coming to sit in a new temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God, and over all that is even called God, or that is worshipped. Paul called that event "strong delusion".

GOD WILL SEND STRONG DELUSION - THAT THEY BELIEVE A LIE

The Word is GOD. Isaiah 66:v.4 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:v.8-12 and Matthews 24:v.15 to 25 KJV:

Isaiah 66:v.4:-I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:v.8-12:

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth - His Word - , and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause GOD shall send them STRONG DELUSION (a false messiah), that they should believe a lie: (GOD WILL DO THIS SOON-Revelation 13:v.11-18)

12 That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth -they believed not in JESUS -
, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Matthew 24:v. 15 to 25

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).

THE PRIOR ADVICE OF OUR LORD

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


ABOUT STRONG PUNISHMENT

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


TIME OF GREAT DANGER EVEN FOR THE ELECTS - THE FALSE CHRIST - JOHN 5:v.43-47

23 Then if any MAN -Pastors, and Bishops, or Evangelists, Missionaries, among others - shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets -FALSE PREACHERS OF THE WORD OF GOD - 2Corinthians 11:v.13-15, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive (even) the very elect.


25 Behold, I have told you before.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords


The very first Sign Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse about the end, was to not allow any man deceive us. That is exactly what that rider on a white horse tries to do in playing Christ in our near future, in Jerusalem. Jesus comes on a white horse per Revelation 19. That one in Revelation 6 thus tries to mimic Jesus on a white horse. It is a major WARNING for the end of this world.

The things that you above wrote, and I emphasized or highlited, ARE NOT TRUE, IT IS FAKE.
 

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Yet, shouldn't we reveal just who... that rider on the white horse of Revelation 6 actually is?
Precious friend, Many have speculated and guessed for Many years now,
with an Absolute ZERO success rate; how are we going to do any better?
Many are so worried {sin?} about the prophecies of revelation, the antichrist,
the mark of the beast, and GREAT tribulation, that they are totally ignoring
What God Has for The Body Of CHRIST, today!:

"The REVELATION Of HIS MYSTERY!" (Romans - Philemon)

Davy how about you? Should we be prophecy experts, or MYSTERY
"students," Rightly Dividing God's Word, "Approved Unto HIM!"?
God's Simple Will!


Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, today?)
 

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The things that you above wrote, and I emphasized or highlited, ARE NOT TRUE, IT IS FAKE.

What I revealed from Revelation 19 about Lord Jesus coming a white horse is not fake.

What I revealed about the FALSE RIDER on a white horse in Revelation 6:1-2 is not a false statement either. The Rev.6 rider is A FAKE CHRIST that Jesus warned about. It flows with His Olivet discourse, and the 1st Sign Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse was to not allow any man to deceive us. That is exactly what the rider in Rev.6 represents, THE deceiver (the dragon "another beast" of Revelation 13:11).
 

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Precious friend, Many have speculated and guessed for Many years now,
with an Absolute ZERO success rate; how are we going to do any better?
Many are so worried {sin?} about the prophecies of revelation, the antichrist,
the mark of the beast, and GREAT tribulation, that they are totally ignoring
What God Has for The Body Of CHRIST, today!:

"The REVELATION Of HIS MYSTERY!" (Romans - Philemon)

Davy how about you? Should we be prophecy experts, or MYSTERY
"students," Rightly Dividing God's Word, "Approved Unto HIM!"?
God's Simple Will!


Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, today?)


Sorry friend, but I will listen... to my Lord Jesus Christ and WATCH as He commanded His faithful Church to do for the end of this world leading up to His return.

Mark 13:34-37
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV

In Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Lord Jesus gave us 7 main Signs of the end to be watching leading up to His return. They parallel the Seals of Revelation 6.

If you don't know those Signs He commanded us to watch, then how you gonna' to know not to be deceived? I know, you think Jesus will come and rapture you to heaven prior to the great tribulation maybe?? Or maybe you just think Jesus will let you know when the real danger of deception comes upon the whole world? Well, He told us in His Word what to watch for already. So what do you think He will say to those who didn't... watch, and instead are deceived by the coming false-Christ that comes first?

Or did you even know there is a pseudo-Christ that is to come first before Lord Jesus does??

Those who pass His warnings for the end off remind of the joke about the man trapped on his roof during a flood, and he prayed that God would save him. First a helicopter came by to offer help, and the man said, "No thanks, I prayed to God for help, and He'll save me." Then a motor boat came by and offered help, and the man again said he prayed to God, and that God will save him. Then flood waters rise, and the man drowns. And in heaven, the man asks God why He didn't save him? And God tells the man, "well I sent a helicopter, and then a boat!"

Likewise, when Lord Jesus comes and those who refused to listen to His command to watch at the end of this world, and were deceived, will be like the man trapped on the roof. I can't wait to hear Christ's response to them for disobeying Him in that, with their instead playing church.
 

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What I revealed from Revelation 19 about Lord Jesus coming a white horse is not fake.
Yes, it's fake, but I'm sure it wasn't you who invented this diabolical interpretation by twisting what's written in Revelation 19.


What I revealed about the FALSE RIDER on a white horse in Revelation 6:1-2 is not a false statement either. The Rev.6 rider is A FAKE CHRIST that Jesus warned about. It flows with His Olivet discourse, and the 1st Sign Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse was to not allow any man to deceive us. That is exactly what the rider in Rev.6 represents, THE deceiver (the dragon "another beast" of Revelation 13:11).

You are not revealing anything, my dear Davy. I'm sure also the satanic theory you are posting is not an invention of yours, neither it is of many other which believe like you in that devilish tares sowed by the Devil -the Dragon- among the believers. Very interesting: You are speaking as one who is warning others about they be deceived, but you are doing this through a lie, through a satanic theory not invented by you for sure, but by the devil, and you believe in it. Uhh! I'm not telling this to condemn you, but to break the devil's snare.

You were/are deceived because believed in that misleading theory and are preaching it, unfortunately, whose theory will be burned with everlasting fire from now on, as the LORD JESUS commanded. "Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:". I'm a reaper.
 

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I will listen... to my Lord Jesus Christ and WATCH as He commanded His faithful Church to do for the end of this world leading up to His return.
Thanks. You "listen and watch" for what Jesus said, on earth, prophetically, for signs for Israel to be watching for HIS return "to the earth." (Mark 13:34-37 Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Revelation 6); that is YOUR choice and privilege, under
Prophecy/Law, But:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

MYSTERY/GRACE:

We, in The Body Of CHRIST, Today, Under GRACE, should obey HIS Commands, From Heaven, to look, watch, and Patiently wait For HIM,
With
NO signs, For HIS Coming to "Gather us, "To meet HIM in the air!":

(2 Thessalonians 2:1) (Romans 8:18-19) (Romans 8:23) (Romans 8:25) (1 Corinthians 1:7) (Ephesians 6:12-18) (Philippians 3:20) (Colossians 4:1-3) (1 Thessalonians 1:10) (1 Thessalonians 5:5-11) (Titus 2:13)


Sorry, NO apology necessary:

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, today?)
 

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For what it's worth, and for anyone who reads this who may still be interested after all the insults and claims of Divine doctrinal "authority" regarding some people's opinions:

This is my opinion and neither do I claim Divine doctrinal "authority" for my opinions, nor do I credit those who disagree with my view with Divine doctrinal "authority" fort their opinions, just because some people actually have the audacity before God to claim such authority for their own opinions.

The Bible contains a great deal of imagery that signifies certain realities. For example, in Ephesians 2:19-22 Paul uses the imagery of a building with a foundation and a chief corner stone to signify the fact that those who believe in Christ are (what Peter in 1 Peter 2:5 calls the living stones who together make up) the Temple of God. When reading prophetic or apocalyptic literature (such as the book of Revelation), it's human and easy to mistake the imagery for the reality being spoken of, and many Christians repeatedly do this, but the fact that the Lord signified His Revelation (Revelation 1:1) should make us aware that the visions which John sees (both in the seals and in the scroll), signify something.

* The seals need to be opened before we can "see" (understand) what's written in the scroll.
* The visions seen when each seal is opened signifies something about:
(i) The scenes written about in the scroll; and
(ii) The actors who play a part in the scenes; and
(iii) The judgments that come.

However, the seals are not the prophecy. The prophecy is written in the scroll; and the scroll only opens once the seventh and final seal is opened. This is why the seals are the first to appear after the letters to the seven churches.

So for the umpteenth time:

The first seal (like all the seals) signifies something, and the rider on the white horse signifies the power behind the conquering that is to be taking place (which is written about in the scroll). The riders on the horses are not people (or angels), and are not the people they signify.

The horse is white because (human) people - whether they be the two witnesses or others - are going forth with the gospel which has always gone out conquering the lies and kingdom of the adversary - this is why Jesus said that the gates of hades will not prevail against the (true) church (Matthew 16:18). The rider on the horse signifies the power behind those people. But the seal is not the prophecy - it signifies the identity of humans written about in the prophecy, which is contained in the scroll.
 
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It is written in the post #276 , what prevails or what matters is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. GOD is Light. GOD is a consuming/devouring FIRE. Revelation 6:v.15-17
15 The kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great Day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Here goes the content of post #276:
Dear David in NJ, I am not discussing with you. What matters is the Truth. GOD is the Truth.

The whitehorse Rider "has a name written(written in the Holy Scriptures, understand?) that no MAN knows EXCEPT Himself", then how can you say his name is JESUS? What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I am only confirming what is written, as must all TRUE believers do.

Moreover, to say the whitehorse rider is Antichrist is a blasphemy, because he is not.


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Yes, it's fake, but I'm sure it wasn't you who invented this diabolical interpretation by twisting what's written in Revelation 19.




You are not revealing anything, my dear Davy. I'm sure also the satanic theory you are posting is not an invention of yours, neither it is of many other which believe like you in that devilish tares sowed by the Devil -the Dragon- among the believers. Very interesting: You are speaking as one who is warning others about they be deceived, but you are doing this through a lie, through a satanic theory not invented by you for sure, but by the devil, and you believe in it. Uhh! I'm not telling this to condemn you, but to break the devil's snare.

You were/are deceived because believed in that misleading theory and are preaching it, unfortunately, whose theory will be burned with everlasting fire from now on, as the LORD JESUS commanded. "Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:". I'm a reaper.

You don't have a clue. There's a fake Christ coming first, and Jesus warned about him, and Jesus has MANY CROWNS when He comes on a white horse PER Rev.19.

So I NEVER went against Rev.19 that shows Jesus coming on a white horse. The rider in Rev.6 is NOT JESUS which is why that is NOT about Jesus' coming in Rev.19!