Eternally Grateful
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Nice try
You do not symbolize prophecy my friend
The very words destroyed your argument.
Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived
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You do not symbolize prophecy my friend
The very words destroyed your argument.
Nope.
Jesus warned in Matthew 24 that any one who shows up on the earth, claiming to be messiah, who is not first seen coming out of the sky like lightning, is a false messiah - because He, Jesus, returns in the air on a cloud, seen by every eye, Revelation 1:7, and the antichrist does not.
In Acts 1 Jesus literally ascends bodily and visibly from Mount Olive, and the angel said this same Jesus will return in like manner as you have seen Him leave - meaning His literal return bodily and visibly back to Mount Olive:
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
Zechariah 14:5 is when Jesus fulfills the Acts 1 prophecy and returns to Mount Olive with all the saints with Him - where He then remains, and the nations such as Egypt come into the gates of Jerusalem to worship Jesus, Zechariah14:16-19, who will be literally and bodily sitting on the throne of David, forever, as prophesied by the old and New Testament:
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall beno end, upon the THRONE of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon shall beblessed, and the THRONE of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.
Jeremiah 23:5-6 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; a King shall reign and prosper, and execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell safely; now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”
In Revelation 21, The New Jerusalem which is above, descends to earth to old Jerusalem, and God and the lamb dwell in it with men forever, and Jesus says this about that city in Revelation 3:12:
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
It’s Literal fact in scripture that there will be a unending literal and physical reign of Christ on the earth, and not just for a thousand years.
Jesus is currently sitting in heaven at the father’s right hand UNTIL the time is right to return to earth:
Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David.The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Psa 110:2 The LORD sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter. Rule IN THE MIDST of your enemies!
Note that Jesus will not rule His kingdom from heaven, but on the earth, in the midst of His enemies.
He will return and land on mount Olive with all His saints per Zechariah 14:5, given earlier, where He will rule and reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David, which is established forever:
1Ki 2:45 And king Solomon shall beblessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD for ever.
And we shall reign and rule with Jesus in His kingdom, on the earth:
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
The millennium period isn’t a temporary reign of Jesus - it’s the period where Satan is bound for a thousand years, so all of creation, including the angels, gets to see the contrast between the world being ran by Satan as it’s god and ruler for 4,000 years, compared with Jesus ruling the nations with a rod of Iron for a thousand years - then Satan is loosed for short time, and thrown into the lake of fire.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Zephaniah also describes Jesus ruling on the earth in Jerusalem:
Zep 3:14 Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel! Rejoice and exult with all your heart, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Zep 3:15 The LORD has taken away the judgments against you; he has cleared away your enemies. The King of Israel, the LORD, is in your midst; you shall never again fear evil.
Zep 3:16 On that day it shall be said to Jerusalem: “Fear not, O Zion; let not your hands grow weak.
Zep 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.
There is no reason whatsoever to deny that the thousand year reign of Jesus on the earth in Revelation 20 is literal - from the OT to the NT, it is literal fact that He will return physically to earth and rule from the throne of David.
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Your claim is in "Error", a New Jerusalem Descending Down To This Earth "Wrong"
This heaven and earth will pass away, it will be a completely new creation, (Behold I Make All Things New)
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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Your own post refutes you. Jesus will dwell on earth forever, starting from His return to Mount Olive in Zechariah 14:5.
I’ve presented irrefutable scriptures about His unending earthly kingdom prophesied clearly in the OT and NT.
It amazes me that people decide what they want to believe, and ignore any scripture that says different.
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(The Eternal Kingdom)
Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.
(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below
(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.
(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.
(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5
(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.
(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
"The Eternal Kingdom"!
Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?
You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord
You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)
Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
You miss the fact that those left alive of the nations who attacked Jerusalem, regularly go up to that city to worship - and Zechariah calls them heathen, who sacrifice animals.
They are natural earthly people, just as they are today. Egypt is specifically mentioned as one of those nations.
I realize those facts are very inconvenient to your scenario, but yet there they are.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacle
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them,
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Davy
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One cannot communicate with those like the OP, for the OP has his/her own agenda AGAINST God's Word. This is proven by his/her denial of the written Scripture in Zechariah 14 of the existing wicked left overs that came up against Jerusalem being made to come worship and keep the feast of tabernacles. The Revelation 20 events about Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect over the nations are blatantly denied by the OP also.
What I posted in another thread seems appropriate here, also:
The problem is that many folks read Revelation like something it is most assuredly not -- a "puzzle book" where it's necessary to figure out what "this" really is and what "that" really is -- rather than a picture book, in the manner of a 10-year-old reading "Where the Wild Things Are." Revelation is a recounting of the entire course of the Millennium of Revelation 20 (from Pentecost to the Return of the King [Lord of the Rings reference])... several times over, actually. The theme of the book, and why those who read, hear, and keep what is written in it are blessed (1:3), is, Jesus wins.
There is no "Rapture." His return will certainly be a rapturous event, but not a removal of His church from the earth for any period of time, much less seven years.
And there is no future thousand-year reign of Christ from the throne of David in a third temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. Christ Jesus reigns now as the Greater David at the right hand of the Father over God's Israel, which includes both Jew and Gentile.
When Christ Jesus returns, the Judgment will take place, and the unrepentant will be sent away from the new heaven and new earth, which will be one.
Jesus wins. And in knowing this future reality for certain, despite what our present circumstances may be, we are blessed.
Grace and peace to all.
The problem is that many folks read Revelation like something it is most assuredly not -- a "puzzle book" where it's necessary to figure out what "this" really is and what "that" really is -- rather than a picture book, in the manner of a 10-year-old reading "Where the Wild Things Are." Revelation is a recounting of the entire course of the Millennium of Revelation 20 (from Pentecost to the Return of the King [Lord of the Rings reference])... several times over, actually. The theme of the book, and why those who read, hear, and keep what is written in it are blessed (1:3), is, Jesus wins.
There is no "Rapture." His return will certainly be a rapturous event, but not a removal of His church from the earth for any period of time, much less seven years.
And there is no future thousand-year reign of Christ from the throne of David in a third temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. Christ Jesus reigns now as the Greater David at the right hand of the Father over God's Israel, which includes both Jew and Gentile.
When Christ Jesus returns, the Judgment will take place, and the unrepentant will be sent away from the new heaven and new earth, which will be one.
Jesus wins. And in knowing this future reality for certain, despite what our present circumstances may be, we are blessed.
Grace and peace to all.
Timtofly
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The book of Revelation certainly has more than the single layer you are trying to insinuate.
The Millennium is future even if you think this 1000 is figurative. 2000 is not the default figurative meaning of 1000. 2000 is not the default meaning of a literal 1000. Either way, chapter 20 is the end of the book, not the preface explaining what the book is about. The preface is chapters 1-3.
Eternally Grateful
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The problem with many folks is they try to make a symbol of prophetic scripture and not take it literally
In doing so. they will miss what God said will happen. And make God out to be a liar
There will be a future reign of Christ.
God said it. whether we believe it or not. Take him at his word
Well, the Millennium is past, present, and future, actually; it began at Pentecost and will conclude at Jesus's return. The "thousand years" (the Millennium) should be understood as the fullness of God's time in bringing His Israel, which contains both Jew and Gentile (people from every tongue, tribe, and nation) to completion, as Paul explains in Romans 11 (the whole of the chapter, but summed up in verses 25-26... "in this way all Israel will be saved"). It (the "thousand years," the Millennium) should be understood in the same light as, say, the cattle on a thousand hills are the Lord's (every hill, Psalm 50:10), or that the LORD (our) God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations (all generations, Deuteronomy 7:9), of that God remembers his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations (again, all generations, 1 Chronicles 15:16; Psalm 105:38).
I would generally agree that the preface is chapters 1 through 3, but I would say -- and this is what I was saying -- that Revelation 1:1-3 is a prologue for the whole book.
There is a chapter 21 and 22 of Revelation, of course. I did not say or insinuate that chapter 20 is the preface of Revelation in any shape, form, or fashion; I'm not sure how you would get such from what I wrote. The entirety of Revelation 20 and continuing through 21:8 is the last of the seven cycles of judgment (the white throne judgment, which is elimination of all evil), each of which parallel each other and lead up to the Second Coming... progressively focusing more and more on the Second Coming itself.
Grace and peace to you.
Eternally Grateful
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Um nope
the millennium comes AFTER jesus destroyed the final gentile kingdom and sets up his own kingdom.
No, but thanks for your thoughts. Jesus said several times during His public ministry that the kingdom was here now. It will be consummated when He comes back. Grace and peace to you.
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Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by fire (The End)
There wont be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim, it will have been dissolved, "Gone"
Timtofly
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Chapter 20 is about after the Second Coming. It cannot be moved around on a whim, and declared as time prior to the Second Coming. It has been 1991 years since the Cross. Not sure how you can make that a solid Millennium.
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Revelation Chapter 20 Is Prior To The Second Coming, Do You Think (The Souls) Of The Tribulation Saints Are After, Big Smiles!
Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Davy
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Well actually............. Christ's "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 has not yet started.
It only begins on the day of His return, which is about His 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord".
One can easily... read about HOW Lord Jesus returns to this earth in the Zechariah 14 Scripture, which reveals He returns back to the same spot on earth where He ascended to Heaven from, the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem. And there... is where that Scripture says He brings all His saints to when He comes.
So the idea that Christ's Kingdom started the "thousand years" of Rev.20 on Pentecost is ludicrous. It shows those who come up with that idea need a whole.... lot.... more.... Bible study.
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