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That's correct, Zechariah 14:16 are those who are the righteous saved in the eterbal kingdom, the book of life was opened, those written among the living
Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom
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Off topic personal attacks, based upon false claims, stop the personal attacks
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Davy
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That's funny! No, those leftovers of the nations that came up against Jerusalem represent Christ's ENEMIES that will be outside the gates of the holy city! They along with the deceived will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" beginning on the day of His return (is there are reason why you intentionally steer away from Revelation 20?).
Davy
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Not an attack, just the Truth. You are pushing men's doctrine of Amillennialism, which denies Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Revelation 20.
Now if you want to complain to the admin about me pointing that FACT out, fine, go ahead. That might be WHY you're here anyway, which would be cowardly behavior, showing that when someone disagrees with what you teach you get your feelings hurt.
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Davy is perfectly correct with his rebuttals of your AMill doctrine.
Your method of 'spamming' the threads with lengthy scripture and your dismissal of proper rebuttal by calling it 'opinion', is obvious to all and has lost for you any credibility here.
Sad, really, because whether Jesus reigns for the Millennium or not, is an issue that shouldn't overly concern us at present. We should be aware of and prepared for the forthcoming Lord's shocking Day of fiery wrath, which will commence all the end times events.
I do appreciate that you, Truth7t7, do believe that the faithful Christians are the Israel of God, not the Jews.
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You are bringing personal attacks "Calling Myself A Coward in Behavior" in this post in bold red, its a prime example, get off the personal attacks
You can disagree with Ahmillennialism all you want, stop the personal attacks, in your false statement "I'm pushing men's doctrines"
How can I claim something not found in scripture, namely a Millennial Kingdom on this earth
There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)
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Keraz when you or any other poster claims there will be a literal Millennial Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus, I will be there with scripture that proves otherwise
Yes we agree, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth (The End)
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Your scriptures don't prove there will be no Millennium reign of King Jesus.
Revelation 20 tells about it 6 times, other prophesies prove there will be a literal Kingdom on earth; like Isaiah 2 and Zechariah 9: 9-10 - verse 9 was literally fulfilled in Jesus first Advent, verse 10 will be how it will be after His second Advent.
Why don't you just give it a miss; let us believe in a peaceful and prosperous Millennium and AMills just carry on thinking the present world is as good as it will ever get.
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Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived
Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below
1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?
The Above Claims (Don't Exist)
Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time
2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Isaiah chapter 2 is nothing more than the day of the Lord in the second coming, when man's breath is being taken from his nostrils as seen in verse 22 below (The End)
Isaiah 2:17-22KJV
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
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I strongly disagree with your claim that Zechariah 9:9-10 is a split prophecy, with 2,000+ years inbetween verse 9-10
I see the verse as continous, and Jesus is on earth speaking to the heathen 2,000 years ago, "Fulfilled"
No this isnt Jesus, in a future Millennium on this earth as you suggest
Zechariah 9:9-10KJV
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
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Your claim is a misrepresentation of the Ahmillennial teaching, and you know this Keraz
When Jesus Christ Returns And Dissolves This Earth By Fire, This Earth Will Be Replaced With The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem
Yes That's As Good As It Gets Below, And I Forgive Your Misrepresentation Of My Belief
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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I am sure that you are alone with this interpretation. Zechariah 9:10 simply did not happen after the event of verse 9.
The verse which blows away the belief we are in the Kingdom now, is Hebrews 10:12b-13 Jesus sits in heaven , where He now waits until His enemies are made His footstool.
The Amill doctrine is a crock and a false teaching. You promote it to your discredit.
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A 2,000 year gap between Zechariah 9:9-10KJV, Smiles!
Revelation 20:1-6, (The Souls) & (The Dead) represent a literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, Smiles!
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Why not? Remember Isaiah 28:13 says the Prophesies are mixed around the Bible.
The souls of the martyrs will be resurrected and they will reign with Jesus for 1000 years.
You fail to address Hebrews 10:13 It destroys the AMill theory.
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(if God performs the work already..........then...........what need would the son of man have to eliminate 1 to 2 billions lives to resolve the controversy of man's suicid* pleasure, knowing otherwise, humanity will only see death continually in the last days)
I think is is the wrong question, but, let me think.
Jeremiah Predicted the Kingship of Jesus, and he said Jesus would Reign in Jerusalem for 70 years in its desolations, and..............that just did not happen.
Ezekiel Predicted the Kingship of Jesus, for 40 years (ezekiel 4:6) (Jesus was Risen for 40 Days, his Kingship is 40 Years, the "lion of judah" reigns in revelation)
Isaiah Predicted the Kingship of Jesus also, (Isaiah 28:16-18), According to Isaiah, this "Judgment Line" = 1000 Years, in Revelation, but Isaiah answers only with a parable.
Finally
Jesus Talks about his Kingship, (Matthew 20:5-6), Jesus gives figures relating to 2/3 or 3 1/2, days (differences in those figures), that is a parable about humanities dirth charge, and god's unwillingness to afford a judgment (god just doesn't perform that work, its unprofitable, a few masses of people need to die to trigger things, and more then that to resolve things that is humanities accusation)
Nonetheless, This is the Gospel's Answer about the Return of the Jesus, or the Messiah Return in the Last day, in relation to Jerusalem or earth
The Legal Answer
JOHN 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
JOHN 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
JOHN 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joseph reaches a Unified Field Value of 12,000 in the Revelation...........this is the "last day" so this information is a prophecy..............God hasn't, given new language to redefine, or to imply that the earth's energy network, is not in part focused at jerusalem/isreal..............if this were not true, jerusalem or isreal would not have legal value in the book of revelation, there would be no reason to mention a filthy place.
The Son of Man, is,
1. in the line of the kings of judah (matthew's genealogy)
2. in the line of the levites (lukes genealogy) (his soulmate as a pyramid builder)
3. a picture of the messiah, by reason of his title the "son of man"
When God resolves the testimony of the son of man, then at that time, Joseph is reaches that value, and God ends the controversy of jerusalem..............but if you want to say that God is going to do much more then that, to kill enough people on earth to sustain the earth's field, or to reign in jerusalem as a king, then you are mistaken. the gospel is going forward and god is also highlighting man's accusation, not performing the work of that.
God will kill a given number of people in mass, this is not a contest between the son of man and god, god takes an action in that capacity and the son of man generally does not, but at the same time, God takes an action and the son of man follows that action................its possible God would leave enough charge left, that before it dissipates, the son of man can use that to kill 1 to 2 billion people..............remember, this is not a bomb these energies can kill what constitutes dead flesh very easily its how the human body is also designed, to be holy and clean and generational sin, spiritual sin, humanity is not holy or clean as a whole.
when the son of man is 40 years of age, then the son of man is also 70 years of age, and also 1000 years of age, remember God is not using an angel principally more then the son of man in the new testament, and even in the old testament, the son of man is often the only value god referred to.
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Hebrews 10:13 below shows nothing more than Jesus Christ reigning until the last enemy "Death" is destroyed, that will take place at the "Second Coming" as seen below (The End)
Hebrews 10:12-13KJV
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Timtofly
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Are you denying the 1991 year gap between the Cross and the Second Coming? Is this the same day? Was the Cross last week? Paul did not give any time periods, because no one knew of any lengths, at that point.
Jesus did not declare at the Olivet Discourse, "I will return in exactly 1991 years."
Then cometh the end was given to us as 1000 years between the Second Coming and handing the kingdom back to God, by John in Revelation 20. John did not give the precise date of the Second Coming either.
Davy
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The following is NOT up for debate, simply because the signs in it are well written of elsewhere also in God's Word...
The Zechariah 14 Chapter is about the 'day' of Christ's return, and His return to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from, and He brings the Church with Him there, east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH.
And that happens on the "day of the Lord" when Peter said man's works will be burned off this earth.
That is the 'beginning' of Christ's Eternal reign and Kingdom, on earth. But the wicked are NOT... destroyed yet then.
Jesus and His faithful Church will reign over the wicked as written there in Zechariah 14, and in Revelation 20. And Revelation 20 reveals that period reign will last a "thousand years", and then The Great White Throne Judgment will occur at the end of it.
The Zechariah 14 Chapter is about the 'day' of Christ's return, and His return to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from, and He brings the Church with Him there, east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH.
And that happens on the "day of the Lord" when Peter said man's works will be burned off this earth.
That is the 'beginning' of Christ's Eternal reign and Kingdom, on earth. But the wicked are NOT... destroyed yet then.
Jesus and His faithful Church will reign over the wicked as written there in Zechariah 14, and in Revelation 20. And Revelation 20 reveals that period reign will last a "thousand years", and then The Great White Throne Judgment will occur at the end of it.
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