Jews

veteran · May 15, 2011

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Curiosity question......

Why does the majority of the world think that the Jew's are God's chosen people?For those of you here that think that,please read the following.......

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The word 'Jew' does come from the name Judah, the tribe of Judah.

The Jewish historian Josephus said the name Jew was first used by those who returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity. He said the Israelites that returned, and the non-Israelites returning with them both took that name Jew.

There is a PROBLEM amongst the Jews though. God's Word reveals how non-Israelites of the nations of Canaan crept in among Judah and Judea long ago. The Books of Ezra and Nehemiah reveal how the crept in unawares eventually worked their way up into the priesthood of Israel, and as scribes (1 Chronicles 2:55). And it's very true that some of Edom (Esau) also became Jews.

Esth 8:17
17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
(KJV)

It's hard to believe that so many have missed this kind of event from God's Word, for it is written.

God separated the nation of Israel into two separate kingdoms after Solomon's days (1 Kings 11 forward). The house of David at Jerusalem, along with the tribe of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, and eventually many of Levi, became the "house of Judah", excluding the majority of the ten tribes which made up the other Israelite kingdom.

It was the "house of Judah" that started calling theirselves Jews. But not only them, but foreigners that joined with them to live in the lands of Judea also. It's the ways and pagan ideas of those foreigners that crept in that represent the idea of 'false Jews', along with any of true Judah that follows iniquity along with them.

That's also who the basket of evil figs represent in Jeremiah 24, and the "tares" our Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 13.

In Judges 2 & 3, God rebuked all the tribes of Israel for not completely destroying the nations of Canaan that He commanded to be destroyed. Instead, Israel allowed the Canaanite remnants to continue to live among them. And because of that God said He would use them to test Israel, to see if Israel would follow Him or not.

The bigger PROBLEM is, that even today there's really no way of knowing if those crept in unawares are true Israelites or not, for even a lot of God's people have fallen to do iniquity along with them throughout Israel's history. Christ showed He will sort this problem out when He returns. Until then per Matt.13, we are to let the "tares" grow along with the "wheat" until harvest time (Christ's second coming). We are to instead concentrate on identifying the fruit.

During the 70 years Babylon captivity of the "house of Judah", the creeping in and confusion among the Jews really took off. The people began using Aramaic as the official language, and the Kenites of Canaan had control of the scribe's position. The doctrines of the Pharisees took over direct understanding from God's Word. This is why Jesus would say in Matthew 23, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat."

But the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) were subject to this creeping in also. They have this problem too.

That's why we can find western Christian leaders, and orthodox Jewish leaders, both working together for political 'Zionism'.

(For those who don't know what Zionism is, it's about the world peace plan the Internationalists have for Jerusalem today. That plan involves the western Balfour Declaration that Benjamin Disraeli helped forward around the early 1900's in Britain. It's not advertised, but it includes the building of another temple in Jerusalem, along with a peace plan to make Jerusalem a habitation for both the Jews and the Arabs living in peace. Ultimately, it's about one world government, with Jerusalem as the head city.

After studying God's Word, those in Christ Jesus today should be starting to see this plan being worked out among the globalists. And we should start to understand that it is simply a movement by Satan's host to try and create a COPY of God's Kingdom of the now, without Him. Why do I say, without Him meaning God? It's because this movement is not His Kingdom He is going to bring by His Son Jesus Christ.

Literally, God said He would USE those crept in unawares among as a test upon His people, to see whether we would follow Him or not. That's what it's about, and why that movement must come in the last days prior to Christ's return. Because there are even Christians that support it in ignorance, and probably will be more before it's over, we should understand this matter.)

WhiteKnuckle · May 15, 2011

RJP wrote:

The post WWII period from 1945 to January of 1961 was a period of unprecedented prosperity for the united States. It had nothing at all to do with Israel, the crowd camped out on the Gaza Strip or even American arrogance (which began swelling like a cancer during those years).

It had everything to do with the fact that American factories and it's transportation infrastructure were intact. After WWII America was the only nation capable of producing and distributing consumer goods. The world HAD to buy American by default.

The decline in the fortunes of America began in January of 1961 when President Eisenhower warned the American people against the dangers of the military industrial complex. The president's warning echoed a legion of preachers who warned against American arrogance, pride and passive indifference toward God. The warnings went unheeded and God's judgment began in earnest. On September 16, 1985 the uS Commerce Dept. stated that America had become a debtor nation. Our decline has accelerated since that time. Today it has become so rapid and pronounced that it doesn't take a college professor to see what's going on and what end is in sight.

It has nothing at all to do with Israel or even Islam. It has everything to do with our collective guilt before the Almighty and NO ONE is doing anything to stop it. We merely sit, and watch and wait for the end of the process.

America and the American dream is dead. It's carcass is literally being torn apart piece by piece as the vultures of Wall Street and the Pentagon feed on the bones of it's dying economy and brain dead citizens. As I write the Pentagon is no longer under civilian control and Congress, now guided by the demands of financiers rather than voters, rubber stamps ANY AMOUNT of money the feeding frenzy requires.

I can completely see how someone can say that God is judging the US. However, I don't think that's completely the case.
For some reason alot of Christians seem to think that God is holding them accountable for their neighbors sins. As if we have failed and must be punished accordingly. I don't believe that's so.

The US is in a definate decline no doubt. But, I think you hit a point with the 1961. That's when we started all of the extreme left ideals. Another reason is we're still using Game Theory by John Nash to try to predict the economy. Nevermind the fact that it's been proven flawed for many reasons and is still yet a theory. Another reason is another Theorem by (a name I can't remember, I'm sorry) It may be John Nash again. We're trying to combine two completely different and outdated and extremely flawed methods of determining the economy. That's how the American Dollar was devalued and how we became a debtor nation.

Globalism is also a huge problem with the American economy.

I used to think that our country had an innosense to it in our early days. I don't actually think that's so. There was the same amount of sin per capita going on. The major difference is, it's advertised now. I think that's a good thing in a way. Now we have the ability to see and everyone isn't playing church.

veteran · May 16, 2011

WhiteKnuckle said:
RJP wrote:

I can completely see how someone can say that God is judging the US. However, I don't think that's completely the case.
For some reason alot of Christians seem to think that God is holding them accountable for their neighbors sins. As if we have failed and must be punished accordingly. I don't believe that's so.

The US is in a definate decline no doubt. But, I think you hit a point with the 1961. That's when we started all of the extreme left ideals. Another reason is we're still using Game Theory by John Nash to try to predict the economy. Nevermind the fact that it's been proven flawed for many reasons and is still yet a theory. Another reason is another Theorem by (a name I can't remember, I'm sorry) It may be John Nash again. We're trying to combine two completely different and outdated and extremely flawed methods of determining the economy. That's how the American Dollar was devalued and how we became a debtor nation.

Globalism is also a huge problem with the American economy.

I used to think that our country had an innosense to it in our early days. I don't actually think that's so. There was the same amount of sin per capita going on. The major difference is, it's advertised now. I think that's a good thing in a way. Now we have the ability to see and everyone isn't playing church.

God foretold His people of times like today, a time when the power of His people would be removed for a short time (Dan.8:24; Dan.12:7). It's purpose has NOTHING to do with God forgetting His People who love Him. It has to do with finding out who is willing to make a stand with Him, and who is willing to make a stand against Him. He is watching today, biding His time to step in.

When His Son Jesus Christ was sent to die on the cross for the sins of those who believe, He gave His people an unparalleled time in history of His Promise that His people would be greatly blessed, and The Gospel of Jesus Christ would go to all nations. That has happened; it was history. But closer to the end of this world, He warned His people of an unparalled time of wickedness in the world, pointing to a time of great tribulation this world has never seen the likes of ever before, a time of the wicked workers of iniquity.

God was even specific in the Book of Joel to keep looking for these times when the locust army would take over this world, and devour the wealth of His people. He even showed in Joel 2 that locust army is an army He sends. That shows our Heavenly Father is STILL IN CONTROL. Nothing happening in the last days is by chance. And nothing will happen that He has not beforehand told His people about in His Word.

The wicked leaders of this world that are given control today is NOT by their own hand. They have done nothing of themselves, for God can even control their very thinking! What is sad, is how the rebellious against Him do not realize this. They think He doesn't see what they do, even that His Word is nothing more than a myth. Why does God allow them to have that freedom today?

SHOCK!

The world leaders today think they can actually setup their Utopia on this earth and it will work. Already today, God is showing them how it doesn't work. If you'll notice, the globalists have kept running into problems falling short of their Utopian goals. In the year 2000 they had planned to announce their "New World Order" had come into being. It didn't.

It's truly interesting times to be living in today for those paying attention to the signs and staying in God's Word with prophecy. Another stage is coming when the globalists will try to announce their "New World Order" is complete. It's going to run into new problems they have never considered. God showed us He is going to tear it down. But for a very short period, He is going to allow them to think they have won, especially when they set their false messiah in place for all the world to worship.

Will they have won when He allows them to do that? No, of course not. That's when we, God's servants through His Son Jesus Christ, will be called upon to do exploits against that working that will make them decide to wipe us off the earth, for once and for all. And that's when Christ will appear to strike them down to the dust. There won't be left standing one stone on top of another.

In that respect, it really is silly to think that God is punishing His children today because of His temporarily removing His Power from us so the wicked workers of iniquity can do their thing, preparing them for the great SHOCK that's coming upon them when our Lord Jesus appears. We, His people, are to be patient through these times, and realize the Victory for us that is coming. It's closer than it's ever been before, and not a time to be weak in the Faith. For like Apostle Paul said, if God be for us, then who can be against us?

Ray · Aug 16, 2011

Matthew 21:33-46

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]33[/sup]Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
[sup]34[/sup]And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
[sup]35[/sup]And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
[sup]36[/sup]Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
[sup]37[/sup]But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
[sup]38[/sup]But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
[sup]39[/sup]And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
[sup]40[/sup]When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
[sup]41[/sup]They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
[sup]42[/sup]Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[sup]43[/sup]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[sup]44[/sup]And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
[sup]45[/sup]And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
[sup]46[/sup]But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Galatians 6:15-16

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]15[/sup]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
[sup]16[/sup]And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Romans 2:28-29

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[sup]29[/sup]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Galatians 3:28-29

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[sup]29[/sup]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:7

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]7[/sup]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Romans 9:6-7

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]6[/sup]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[sup]7[/sup]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Galatians 4:28

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

tomwebster · Aug 16, 2011

Ray said:
Matthew 21:33-46

King James Version (KJV)

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[sup]28[/sup]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

So, Ray, you know how to cut and paste Scripture into the forum, are you making a point also?

rockytopva · Aug 16, 2011

[sup]Gen 27:26[/sup] And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
[sup]Gen 27:27 [/sup]And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed:
[sup]Gen 27:28[/sup] Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:
[sup]Gen 27:29[/sup] Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

I simply have no bad words towards Israel or the Jewish people.

Ray · Aug 16, 2011

Tomwebster, It's more about read and interpret than it is about cut and paste.

lawrance · Aug 23, 2011

Ray said:
Matthew 21:33-46

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]33[/sup]Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
[sup]34[/sup]And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
[sup]35[/sup]And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
[sup]36[/sup]Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
[sup]37[/sup]But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
[sup]38[/sup]But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
[sup]39[/sup]And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
[sup]40[/sup]When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
[sup]41[/sup]They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
[sup]42[/sup]Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
[sup]43[/sup]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
[sup]44[/sup]And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
[sup]45[/sup]And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
[sup]46[/sup]But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Galatians 6:15-16

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]15[/sup]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
[sup]16[/sup]And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Romans 2:28-29

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[sup]29[/sup]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Galatians 3:28-29

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[sup]29[/sup]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:7

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]7[/sup]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Romans 9:6-7

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]6[/sup]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[sup]7[/sup]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Galatians 4:28

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]28[/sup]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Spot on Ray inspiring.
If anyone can't work that out you must be on the wrong page.

rockytopva said:
[sup]Gen 27:26[/sup] And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
[sup]Gen 27:27 [/sup]And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed:
[sup]Gen 27:28[/sup] Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:
[sup]Gen 27:29[/sup] Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

I simply have no bad words towards Israel or the Jewish people.

Or the Devil ?
What about the ones that that conspired to kill Christ ? and still do.
The Jews now are not blessed they are cursed because they are not true Israel.

lawrance · Aug 23, 2011

n2thelight said:
Curiosity question......

Why does the majority of the world think that the Jew's are God's chosen people?For those of you here that think that,please read the following.......

Behold the International Jew!

Introduction
In dealing with any controversial subject such as International Judaism and its Satanic offspring Zionism and Communism, it is often difficult to get a message of warning across to those who are in the most immediate danger. This is due to the fact that the Christian world has become so "brainwashed" in the "Liberal mind detergent" of Zionist propaganda, that immediately, when one speaks of a Jew in any but the most complimentary of terms, he is saddled with the horrible accusation of being an "anti-Semite." This has stifled honest discussion of this tremendous problem.

This book has been written specifically to Christians who have been mis-led by their church leaders, into believing that the Jews of today are the Chosen People of the Old Testament and that they must be afforded only the most courteous treatment, no matter what evil they may do; to do less, will cause the curse of God to descend on this country, or so their religious leaders aver. The Scripture used to back this contention is found in Genesis 12:3 and contains God's blessing to Abraham: "I will bless them that bless thee; and curse him that curseth thee." They are very careful not to tell their parishioners that Abraham was a Hebrew, not a Jew and that there were no people known as Jews on the Bible scene, until 2 Kings 16:6, about 1200 years after the time of Abraham, and here we find them fighting against Israel.

The contention that God has blessed America because we have been kind to the Jews, is a falsehood, easily proven so. There has been no time in America's history, when this country has gone down hill faster, in every facet of our national life - economically, politically, militarily and spiritually - than in the years since 1948, when we first recognized the right of International Zionism to steal the land of Palestine from it's rightful owners, and establish a Jewish State on this stolen ground.

It is quite possible that we are seeing the culmination of a curse men mentioned in 2 Chronicles 19:2, which is never quoted by our ministers. It says: "Shouldest thou help the un-Godly? and love them that hate the Lord; therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord."

Today we see good Christians, as they deny the truth spoken by the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 5:11, when he said: ". . . have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (expose)."

1 John 2:23, 23 tells Christians who the anti-Christ is. It is anyone who denies Jesus Christ. This person cannot have the Father. Then in 2 John 10, 11, John specifically warns Christians to have nothing whatsoever to do with these anti-Christs, for if they do they become "par-takers in their evil deeds." This argument from the Scriptures should pretty well cover the attitude of any honest Christian who believes the Bible, yet who wants to fellowship with Jews.

Jesus was much more specific and vehement in His accusations against the Pharisees than I have ever dared to be. He said of them in John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Re was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him..." Then to put a finishing touch on His condemnation, He said as recorded in John 10:26 - "But ye (Jews) believe not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP . . ." (Emphasis mine.) How much more specific can anyone be? I realize that theologians will try and explain away this denunciation, yet there it stands for any intelligent person to read.

Many times in approaching this International problem, we make the mistake of going to the opponents of the Jews for our quotations; men like Adolf Hitler and his MEIN KAMPF and Martin Luther and his JEWS AND THEIR LIES. So what I have attempted to do in this little book is let the avowed enemy of Christianity speak for themselves.

The first part of this book titled THE OPPOSITION - will give you some thoughts of famous people who have worked with the Jews, saw the danger in International Zionism and tried to warn their people about it. But the greater part of this book will be taken up with quotations from famous Jewish leaders - Rabbis, politicians, authors - as they tell the gentile world, in their own words, what they intend to do.

The inspiration for this book comes from a mimeographed manuscript which I received in the mail several months ago titled THE PATTERN OF THE PLAN. There was no author given and apparently no copyright. The original manuscript was completed in June 1967. I was so intrigued with the documentation and presentation of this vital material, that I contacted the author - who wishes to remain anonymous and received his permission to quote from this manuscript.

A great deal of this book will be taken, at least in part, from this material.

You can read the rest here

http://www.biblestud....com/intjew.htm

They have bastardised the true meaning of the word Zion and just as with the word Israel is as well.

Their are Jewish Zionist that are not the radical types or may i say not all the Jewish people are radicals.

We have fools all through history that become so blind drunkenly obsested with power and are quite happy to murder for their rat bag megalomania madness.

ron · Aug 23, 2011

The term Jew is meaningless in relationship to God. In fact it has become synonymous with the old covenant - external relationship

Christianity represents the new covenant which is internal.

The way to the internal Kingdom is narrow. Love is the rule of the Spirit in this Kingdom.

veteran · Aug 27, 2011

ron said:
The term Jew is meaningless in relationship to God. In fact it has become synonymous with the old covenant - external relationship

Christianity represents the new covenant which is internal.

The way to the internal Kingdom is narrow. Love is the rule of the Spirit in this Kingdom.

Apostle Paul actually did in one case use the term "Jew" (Ioudais) in the positive sense related to Christ's Salvation...

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(KJV)

Rom 3:1-2
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
(KJV)

aspen · Aug 27, 2011

veteran said:
Apostle Paul actually did in one case use the term "Jew" (Ioudais) in the positive sense related to Christ's Salvation...

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(KJV)

Rom 3:1-2
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
(KJV)

Good point. After rereading my post, I can see how it makes Jewish people seem wrong and irrelevant - I was actually trying to say that all people now have access to an internal faith through Christ. I agree with Paul that the Jewish people had a necessary and blessed relationship with God and are now invited into a saving relationship with Christ.

I am inspired to read Romans after reading your post Thank you.

falconduler · Sep 12, 2011

Christians today simply follow the beliefs and opinions of those in power . How far do you think the church would go if they decided to go up against the jewish controlled media, ;the controlled congress ,that allows their tax exempt status, ;the controlled financial system that allows them to run non -profits and to continue swindling their respective congregations. and so on.

Prentis · Sep 12, 2011

falconduler said:
Christians today simply follow the beliefs and opinions of those in power . How far do you think the church would go if they decided to go up against the jewish controlled media, ;the controlled congress ,that allows their tax exempt status, ;the controlled financial system that allows them to run non -profits and to continue swindling their respective congregations. and so on.

I agree with you that we shouldn't follow the world. Sadly christianity in general has compromised and thus corrupted itself.

Only I'm not sure by what you mean by going against. We can't, obviously, attack them with force or anything, or propagade against them. We are to live differently, not compromise, and let that be a condemnation to them.

Andrey son of Lion · Sep 16, 2011

When Israel was living with belief in True God, one was the choosen people. Later, when Christ came, those who follow Him, continue to be chosen. Those, who denyed Christ, lost their name. 'You are not Judeas, but gathering of Satan" (I cannot remember the number of this verse from Gospel).
Who joined to Christ, that become chosen man. And the Church, created by Christ was called also New Israel.
That is every people from different nations, who became Christians, became also the choosen people.
In addition, in first Christian communes were the most part of Judeas. Later people from other nation came more and more. Also many christians married in those communes. So the blood of Judeas come into different christian people.
God said to Abraham, that from him multitude of nations would descend, that through Abraham every tribe of the Earth would blessed.
That blessing was and is fulfilling for every Christian from every nation and tribe, joining them to the chosen people. The Church, created by Christ, is true Israel and spirituel Israel.

Israelsson · Sep 19, 2011

Look at the world today, all of its evil vices, the crumbling economic systems based on usury and banking. The porn industry, the drug trade, sex trade, etc. The list can go on and on. Yet when you look to answer who is in control, you find only JEWS. This certainly isnt the work of MY FATHER YAHWEH. Proof is coming about now of Israel's(the nation state that has existed only since 1948) involvement in 9/11 among many other evil deeds.

It is my contention that the Jews are the literal 'seed' or progeny of Satan himself. As found in Genesis with the story of 'the serpent' and EVE. Adam's curse was to till the ground to bring forth his food. While the serpent would eat the dust of the ground.

Adamic men,meaning ruddy, to show blood in the face, etc, are known for their ability to perform agriculture on a high standard while the JEW does nothing but live off of what the white man produces. Adam was 'formed' of the DUST of the ground, and the JEW crawls on his belly, being a vagabond everywhere that he goes only to gain power through usury of the true Israelite.

I am sorry if I offend, actually no I am not, since God is where my heart lies, and HE provides all truth. Those that are confused on the subject, I will bring forth a paper on this subject that will most certainly shed light from Yahshua on the matter.

Yah bless

Andrey son of Lion said:
When Israel was living with belief in True God, one was the choosen people. Later, when Christ came, those who follow Him, continue to be chosen. Those, who denyed Christ, lost their name. 'You are not Judeas, but gathering of Satan" (I cannot remember the number of this verse from Gospel).
Who joined to Christ, that become chosen man. And the Church, created by Christ was called also New Israel.
That is every people from different nations, who became Christians, became also the choosen people.
In addition, in first Christian communes were the most part of Judeas. Later people from other nation came more and more. Also many christians married in those communes. So the blood of Judeas come into different christian people.
God said to Abraham, that from him multitude of nations would descend, that through Abraham every tribe of the Earth would blessed.
That blessing was and is fulfilling for every Christian from every nation and tribe, joining them to the chosen people. The Church, created by Christ, is true Israel and spirituel Israel.

And we ARE a multitude of nations. All of Europe, Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa. Only these nations have been a blessing to the world, and if you go back to look at the RACE of people that founded these nations, they were WHITE CHRISTIANS. Not Jews.

Between Christs crucifixion and 1000AD, the jews were successfully banished from dealing with money in all of Europe. Thus fulfilling prophecy in Revelation 20. Satan was bound for 1000 years and Gods children were able to reign under Christ during that time without ANY Jewish influence to corrupt their beautiful way of life.

THE Gypsy · Sep 19, 2011

Great. Another Jew hater.

Episkopos · Sep 19, 2011

Oh KKK enough already. The bible is not a book about purity of race any more than the Nazis are true Christians. The real conspiracy is to set men against each other.

Israelsson · Sep 19, 2011

If the bible isn't about race, then explain to me the term 'seed' found littered throughout scripture. And also, tell me why it is that "This is the book of the generations of ADAM"?

Why does Jesus come 'ONLY for the lost sheep of the HOUSE(or race) of Israel. The bible is a very racial book, and I might add, that just because God set aside a RACE to be His chosen people, DOES NOT mean that you are an evil man.

You want so desperately to believe that the JEWS are a chosen RACE, but why is it that when a WHITE person begins to speak things that are backed up not only in scripture, but in history and archaeology as well, do they get labeled as RACIST?

This is a term that really only applies to WHITES. When you see people on the news doing heinous crimes, if they are non-White, you hear a brief story and then 'on to other news', but if its a White man, especially a Christian White man, they get an entire days coverage on CNN?

I just don't think the logic you argue with really supports itself. We as a people have nothing to be ashamed of, yet we are bred through the JEWISH media to believe that our history is full of racist white men who only wanted to 'take away' from the other races. Did you ever stop to think that we have been doing Gods work the past 2000 years?

Christ was far from a Jew, and if you read documents that were written prior to this 'racism is bad' stereotype, you will find evidence contrary to your own dogma.

And as for the above quote that, God says they are chosen, based off of a verse in Deuteronomy, don't you find it strange that the term Jew wasn't even used until AFTER Christs crucifixion?

If you have scriptural proof that the bible tells us that the 'JEW is YHWH's chosen' please provide it. I want to see it myself, I have read and compared many different translations of scripture, and I tell you now, IT IS NOT THERE!

As a matter of fact, Pastor Mark Downey has a standing offer to pay 1500.00 for PROOF (not using the footnotes provided in some texts) that the Jews are Gods Chosen.

Have you ever read the Talmud at all? If you haven't I suggest you take a look into what these so-called 'Chosen' follow. You will find nothing but Satanic teachings that are diametrically opposed to what God has in order for HIS PEOPLE.

THE Gypsy · Sep 19, 2011

Israelsson said:
And as for the above quote that, God says they are chosen, based off of a verse in Deuteronomy, don't you find it strange that the term Jew wasn't even used until AFTER Christs crucifixion?

Really?

But it came to pass, that when Sanballat heard that we builded the wall, he was wroth, and took great indignation, and mocked the Jews. Neh 4:1

And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, [even] upon the thirteenth [day] of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and [to take] the spoil of them for a prey. Est. 3:13

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