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Matthew 10:34-38. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; ...


Another way: GOD wishes all were sheep, but some wish to be goats. -- You appear to be a goat.



Matthew 25:32

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[sup]32[/sup]Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.


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Christ was not a Jew.
He was a Galilean. Pilate said so.
JEW did not mean all of Israel.

>>> Jews
1Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

They are contrary to all men. Because Tares have snuck in among Judah.
Christ was indeed a Jew. Where someone was born means nothing. Here is the biblical linage.

Matthew 1
1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram.
4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon.
5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse,
6 and Jesse begot David the king.David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah.
7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa. <a name="b">
8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah.
9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon, and Amon begot Josiah.
11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor.
14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud.
15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob.
16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.
 

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Christ was indeed a Jew. Where someone was born means nothing. Here is the biblical linage.

Matthew 1
1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram.
4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon.
5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse,
6 and Jesse begot David the king.David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah.
7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa.
8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah.
9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon, and Amon begot Josiah.
11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon.
12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor.
14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud.
15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob.
16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations.

This was Josephs lineage. The Father who adopted Jesus.
The place someone was born meant a lot and htey were often called by that place.
Judas was from Iscariot.
Paul was from Tarsus and so on.
Yahshua was called the Galilean.

find one scripture to support that opinion of yours that Jesus as a Jew.
 

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Josephus mentions the Essens as true Jews by birth and not Sadduces and Pharasees.
Josephus admired the traits of the Essens while he said little good of the others.
he said.
And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary
These men are despisers of riches, and so very communicative as raises our admiration. Nor is there any one to be found among them who hath more than another;

These things were not common of the other so called Jews who weren't Jews by birth.

John the Baptist also pointed out they Sadducees and Pharasees were not of Abraham and called them Offspring of Serpents..

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation(offsrping) of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


Now if Yahushua and John said this that makes this offspring of vipers even more literal in my opinion.
It would be a violation of the Laws of Moses to slander men or exaggerate things against them.

Railing accusation is a slanderous one
We know that Micheal did not give a railing accusation against the Devil when he fought him.
 

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This was Josephs lineage. The Father who adopted Jesus.
The place someone was born meant a lot and htey were often called by that place.
Judas was from Iscariot.
Paul was from Tarsus and so on.
Yahshua was called the Galilean.

find one scripture to support that opinion of yours that Jesus as a Jew.
Or was He a Nazarene? Mary was a Jew and God the father of Christ was the father of "Father Abraham.
 

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By a certain time in Judah's history, the title of 'Jew' began to apply mainly to the religion of the Jews. That apparently began in those days near Christ's first coming. But when the remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity ended, Josephus says that's when they began to use that name 'Jew', and all the people living in the land also used that appellation.
 

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By a certain time in Judah's history, the title of 'Jew' began to apply mainly to the religion of the Jews. That apparently began in those days near Christ's first coming. But when the remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity ended, Josephus says that's when they began to use that name 'Jew', and all the people living in the land also used that appellation.
True
And they have confused the issue and it makes it difficult to sort out the facts.
 

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Why? Because God said so. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.


For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth.
Deu 14:2



That's under the Old Covenant. Show a scripture in the New Testament that says the chosen people of God are the Jews? If they are chosen, then why was the kingdom of God taken from them and given to the gentile believers?

Matthew 21:43 (ASV)
[sup]43 [/sup]Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.



If the Jews are the chosen people of God then what are Christians in God's sight? Are they rejected or chosen? Does the New Testament say that there are more than one chosen people, or is it just one?

Curiosity question......

Why does the majority of the world think that the Jew's are God's chosen people?For those of you here that think that,please read the following.......

Behold the International Jew!

Introduction
In dealing with any controversial subject such as International Judaism and its Satanic offspring Zionism and Communism, it is often difficult to get a message of warning across to those who are in the most immediate danger. This is due to the fact that the Christian world has become so "brainwashed" in the "Liberal mind detergent" of Zionist propaganda, that immediately, when one speaks of a Jew in any but the most complimentary of terms, he is saddled with the horrible accusation of being an "anti-Semite." This has stifled honest discussion of this tremendous problem.

This book has been written specifically to Christians who have been mis-led by their church leaders, into believing that the Jews of today are the Chosen People of the Old Testament and that they must be afforded only the most courteous treatment, no matter what evil they may do; to do less, will cause the curse of God to descend on this country, or so their religious leaders aver. The Scripture used to back this contention is found in Genesis 12:3 and contains God's blessing to Abraham: "I will bless them that bless thee; and curse him that curseth thee." They are very careful not to tell their parishioners that Abraham was a Hebrew, not a Jew and that there were no people known as Jews on the Bible scene, until 2 Kings 16:6, about 1200 years after the time of Abraham, and here we find them fighting against Israel.

The contention that God has blessed America because we have been kind to the Jews, is a falsehood, easily proven so. There has been no time in America's history, when this country has gone down hill faster, in every facet of our national life - economically, politically, militarily and spiritually - than in the years since 1948, when we first recognized the right of International Zionism to steal the land of Palestine from it's rightful owners, and establish a Jewish State on this stolen ground.

It is quite possible that we are seeing the culmination of a curse men mentioned in 2 Chronicles 19:2, which is never quoted by our ministers. It says: "Shouldest thou help the un-Godly? and love them that hate the Lord; therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord."

Today we see good Christians, as they deny the truth spoken by the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 5:11, when he said: ". . . have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (expose)."

1 John 2:23, 23 tells Christians who the anti-Christ is. It is anyone who denies Jesus Christ. This person cannot have the Father. Then in 2 John 10, 11, John specifically warns Christians to have nothing whatsoever to do with these anti-Christs, for if they do they become "par-takers in their evil deeds." This argument from the Scriptures should pretty well cover the attitude of any honest Christian who believes the Bible, yet who wants to fellowship with Jews.

Jesus was much more specific and vehement in His accusations against the Pharisees than I have ever dared to be. He said of them in John 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. Re was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him..." Then to put a finishing touch on His condemnation, He said as recorded in John 10:26 - "But ye (Jews) believe not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP . . ." (Emphasis mine.) How much more specific can anyone be? I realize that theologians will try and explain away this denunciation, yet there it stands for any intelligent person to read.

Many times in approaching this International problem, we make the mistake of going to the opponents of the Jews for our quotations; men like Adolf Hitler and his MEIN KAMPF and Martin Luther and his JEWS AND THEIR LIES. So what I have attempted to do in this little book is let the avowed enemy of Christianity speak for themselves.

The first part of this book titled THE OPPOSITION - will give you some thoughts of famous people who have worked with the Jews, saw the danger in International Zionism and tried to warn their people about it. But the greater part of this book will be taken up with quotations from famous Jewish leaders - Rabbis, politicians, authors - as they tell the gentile world, in their own words, what they intend to do.

The inspiration for this book comes from a mimeographed manuscript which I received in the mail several months ago titled THE PATTERN OF THE PLAN. There was no author given and apparently no copyright. The original manuscript was completed in June 1967. I was so intrigued with the documentation and presentation of this vital material, that I contacted the author - who wishes to remain anonymous and received his permission to quote from this manuscript.

A great deal of this book will be taken, at least in part, from this material.



You can read the rest here

http://www.biblestud....com/intjew.htm


That is correct. And there are other false teachings (which I won't get into at this point) that are taught in Church in addition to the above.
 

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Why? Because God said so. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.


For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth.
Deu 14:2
Show us the word Jew in Deuteronomy..
I don't think you will find it until the 12th book of scriptures.

Jews did not make up the entire Hebrew people.
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If the Jews were the chosen Israel then they would be fulfilling these marks--but are they?
Look around the world and see who is fulfilling these marks!
THE MARKS OF ISRAEL
By - COL. GORDON "JACK" MOHR
For Christ and Country

How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.
There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the Rouse of Judah) occupied the stage, and even called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work, and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the identity of Israel to become known.
However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.
One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.
While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.
1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.
2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.
3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.
4. Israel to have a new home. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:10; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 17:9.
5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.
6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.
7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.
8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:13,19; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 22:10; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.
9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.
10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.
11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.
12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.
13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.
14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1[sup]st[/sup] Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.
15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.
16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.
17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.
18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.
19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.
20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.
21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.
22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.
23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).
25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.
26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.
27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).
28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.
29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.
30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.
31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.
32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.
33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.
34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.
35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.
36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.
37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.
38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.
39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2[sup]nd[/sup] Sam. 7:23; 1[sup]st[/sup] Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.
40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,
YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,
HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,
AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL."
The End


Read the Marks of Israel through and see if it connects with the Jews or with ''another'' people!

The 1905 JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 21, page 249 reads: "If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME." Again, they must be a people NOT called "Jews."


THE JEWISH CHRONICLE, May 2, 1879: "There has always been, however, an unwillingness to admit that a fate which has befallen so many nations has overtaken the Ten Tribes. Why should they have been less tenacious of life than their brethren of Judah? Nay, the Scriptures speak of a future restoration of Israel, which is clearly to include both Judah and Ephraim. THE TEN TRIBES ARE CERTAINLY IN EXISTENCE, ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS TO DISCOVER WHICH PEOPLE REPRESENT THEM." (emphasis added .)



So,where does that leave us? It cannot be JEWS!

A little more learning? The Jews are not from Jacob/Israel as their encyclopedia states:

The JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, edition of 1925, Vol. 5, page 41, states "Edom is in modern Jewry."

The Jews cannot be Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom as well!

THE TALMUD-----SOME QUOTES,ASK YOURSELF ARE THE JEWS REALLY ISRAEL?

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

Insults Against Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer, Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Jesus, Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass.

Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.


SOME MORE FACTS?

Israelis (Jews) annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

Paul calls himself a Jew, and that is after his conversion. Your definition of Jew, in light of this, doesn't add up I would say. :)

Jews and Gentiles, according to the flesh, are two human beings, different only in the flesh, which means little. In the Spirit, they can be made one in Christ.

Jews does not mean race!

In the New Testament if you have a strong's concordance it means:

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Judaean been a geographic address and Judah been a tribe-- the meaning does not many race!

Are modern Jews Israelites? Are they Hebrews? In their own writings these self-styled "Jews" tell us it is incorrect to call a contemporary "Jew" an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." Under the heading "A Brief History of the Terms for Jew," in the 1980 Jewish Almanac, is the following:

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3
 

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"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3




Correct. Most Christians mistakenly calls the Jews Israel. The Jews are of the tribe of Judah and they are only one tribe of the House of Israel. The House of Israel separated from the tribe of Judah when they revolted from Jeroboam….. and they have been separated ever since. The House of Israel even went to war against Judah.

Isaiah 7:1-9 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.
[sup]2 [/sup]And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart trembled, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the forest tremble with the wind.
[sup]3 [/sup]Then said Jehovah unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shear-jashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool, in the highway of the fuller's field;
[sup]4 [/sup]and say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither let thy heart be faint, because of these two tails of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.
[sup]5 [/sup]Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have purposed evil against thee, saying,
[sup]6 [/sup]Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set up a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeel;
[sup]7 [/sup]thus saith the Lord Jehovah, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
[sup]8 [/sup]For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken in pieces, so that is shall not be a people:
[sup]9 [/sup]and the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Ephraim was one of the tribes of the House of Israel.
 

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By a certain time in Judah's history, the title of 'Jew' began to apply mainly to the religion of the Jews. That apparently began in those days near Christ's first coming. But when the remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity ended, Josephus says that's when they began to use that name 'Jew', and all the people living in the land also used that appellation.
I don't recall reading any witnesses to Josephus. What miracles in Christ's name did He do with the Father bearing witness of Him? All of the other info here is speculation by those who serve speculation. The time is short and the shortest distance between error and truth is asking God for His Spirit in faith. Faith will be needed here real soon to even survive.
 

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Correct. Most Christians mistakenly calls the Jews Israel. The Jews are of the tribe of Judah and they are only one tribe of the House of Israel. The House of Israel separated from the tribe of Judah when they revolted from Jeroboam….. and they have been separated ever since. The House of Israel even went to war against Judah.

Isaiah 7:1-9 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.
[sup]2 [/sup]And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart trembled, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the forest tremble with the wind.
[sup]3 [/sup]Then said Jehovah unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shear-jashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool, in the highway of the fuller's field;
[sup]4 [/sup]and say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither let thy heart be faint, because of these two tails of smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.
[sup]5 [/sup]Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have purposed evil against thee, saying,
[sup]6 [/sup]Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set up a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeel;
[sup]7 [/sup]thus saith the Lord Jehovah, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.
[sup]8 [/sup]For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken in pieces, so that is shall not be a people:
[sup]9 [/sup]and the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Ephraim was one of the tribes of the House of Israel.

I think most Christians think of the Jews as a ''race''
The Jews are made up of Edomites/Khazars
I think the Jews are more of a mixed breed than a ''pure'' race
Esau/Edom had Canaanite wives (Genesis 36:2)
The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."
Israel was not to mix with the canaanites (Deuteronomy 7)

Arthur Koestler states in his book ''the thirteenth tribe''

*Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
*Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
*Israeli's right to exist...not based on...the mythological covenant of Abraham with God; it is based on international law -- i.e., on the United Nations' decision of 1947. . .
*They lost the name of Khazars and became known as Jews. During Dark Ages commerce largely in Jewish hands, including slave trade.
*Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia and A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish History, Tel Aviv University.

By a certain time in Judah's history, the title of 'Jew' began to apply mainly to the religion of the Jews. That apparently began in those days near Christ's first coming. But when the remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi returned to Jerusalem after the 70 years Babylon captivity ended, Josephus says that's when they began to use that name 'Jew', and all the people living in the land also used that appellation.

ORIGIN OF THE WORD JEW
Near the time of Christ, there once existed a metropolis city, which was a trade center for the then known world. This city of wealth was once destroyed in 146 B.C., and its treasures carried off to Rome. But Julius Caesar restored it a hundred years later, and the Roman colony flourished so much that it soon became one of the most prominent centers in Greece. Some would say that in the 2[sup]nd[/sup] century it was the richest city in Greece.
This city was a city of wealth, of luxury and of immorality. It seemed to have one quality that marked it as a commercial hot spot of its day, for it is said that "Jews flocked to it." That city was ancient Corinth, the chief city in the Roman Province of Achaia. This is the city that Paul spent at least a year and one-half preaching the Gospel and encountering the full force and fury of the "Jews."
Times does not seem to change much do they? The same problem is facing most of the major cities in America today. The commercial cities we have in the United States are fast becoming breeding cesspools of corruption and all manner of evil. Could this be caused by a "Jewish" society and their influence? Many wonder!
Strong's Concordance more or less defines the words "Jew" and "Jews" as: "in the sense of a country, i.e., a Judean." The word "Jew" is used 22 times in the King James Version of the Bible in the New Testament, and the word "Jews" is used 172 times and 170 times of those are from the same #2453 as the above "Jew" definition. There are another 6 times the plural word "Jews'" is used and all but one of these is this #2454. So for the 200 times, the words: "Jew, Jews, and Jews'" are used in the New Testament, at least 197 occasions are referring to a Judean in the sense of from a place, i.e., as from a country.
The question still haunts many and they have often asked just who are these people the Bible calls "Jew, Jews, and Jews'"? Why were these people not just simply called "Judeans," "Israelites," or "Judeans whose religion was Judaism?" This is the age old word problem of society problem that is surrounded with so many, many, lies and deceptions. "THE FEAR OF THE JEWS" syndrome that plagues society today.
Much of it as a result of the so-called holocaust which we have been told 10,000 times 10,000 that the Germans cremated 6-million Jews during WWII. This story has installed a guilt complex in the American people, until the word Jew has become a non speakable word, and if one dares to utter the word except in reverence and humility they will be attacked by both Jews and Christians.
Therefore, we have prepared this study to prove to you and any other thinking American that the bulk of these people called "Jew" or "Jews" in the Bible, were not and are not of the House of Israel or of the House of Judah.
Then who are these people who have plagued the pages of history for so, so very long? The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia defines "Jew" as the same word of Strong's #2453 in the following words: "'Jew' denotes originally an inhabitant of Judah, (2 Kings 16:6 applies to the two tribes of the Southern Kingdom) but later the meaning was extended to embrace all descendants of Abraham." (James Orr, Volume III, page 1675)
The question which faces us here is WHO had the authority and the power that: "extended the meaning to embrace all descendants of Abraham?" Mr. Orr goes on to say in his definition that: "'Jews' (always pl.) is the familiar term for Israelites in the Gospel (esp. in John), Acts, Eph. etc."
This definition only serves to confuse the issue even more, who, how, when and why was such confusion entered into society and the Holy Scriptures? Why, if the term "Jew," refers to Israelites, did they not just simply call them Israelites or Judeans, whose religion was Hebrew?
It is an incontestible fact that the word "Jew" did not come into existence until the year 1775. Prior to 1775 the word "Jew" did not exist in any language on earth. The word "Jew" was introduced into the English language for the first time in the 18th century when Sheridan used it in his play "The Rivals," Chapter 2, p. 1, "She shall have a skin like a mummy, and the beard of a Jew." Prior to this use of the word "Jew" the word "Jew" had not become a word.
Contrary to what most people believe Shakespeare never saw the word "Jew" nor did he ever use the word "Jew" in any of his works, the common general belief to the contrary notwithstanding. In his "Merchant of Venice," V, III, I, 61, Shakespeare wrote as follows "what is the reason? I am a Iewe; hath not a Iewe eyes?" You see there was not even a letter "j" or "J" until the middle of the 18[sup]th[/sup] century. Check any encyclopedia you wish for proof of this.
In the Latin Jerome 4[sup]th[/sup] century Vulgate Edition of the New Testament Jesus is referred to by the Genitive Plural of "Iudaeus" in the Gospel by John reference to the inscription on the Cross, "Iudaeorum." It was in the 4th century that Jerome translated into Latin the manuscripts of the New Testament from the original languages in which they were written.
This translation by Jerome is referred to still today, as the Vulgate Edition by the Roman Catholic Church authorities, who use it today. Jesus is referred to as a so-called "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century editions in the English language of the 14th century first translations of the New Testament into English.
The history of the origin of the word "Jew" in the English language leaves no doubt that the 18th century "Jew" is the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in Jerome's Vulgate Edition.
Of that there is no longer any doubt.
The available original manuscripts from the 4th century to the 18th century accurately trace the origin and give the complete history of the word "Jew" in the English language. In these manuscripts are to be found all the many earlier English equivalents extending through the 14 centuries from the 4th to the 18th century.
From the Latin "Iudaeus" to the English "Jew" these English forms included successively: "Gyu," "Giu," "Iu," "Iuu," "Iuw," "Ieuu," "Ieuy," "Iwe," "Iow," "Iewe," "Ieue," "Iue," "Ive," "Iew," and then finally the 18th century, "Jew." The many earlier English equivalents for "Jews" through the 14 centuries are "Giwis," "Giws," "Gyues," "Gywes," "Giwes," "Geus," "Iuys," "Iows," "Iouis," "Iews," and then also finally in the 18th century, "Jews."
With the rapidly expanding use in England in the 18th century for the first time in history of the greatly improved printing presses unlimited quantities of the New Testament were printed. These revised 18th century editions of the earlier 14th century first translations into the English language were then widely distributed throughout England the English speaking world among families who had never possessed a copy of the New Testament in any language.
In these 18[sup]th[/sup] century editions with revisions the word "Jew" appeared for the first time in any English translations. The word "Jew" as it was used in the 18th century editions has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language. The use of the word "Jew" was thus stabilized.
The best known 18[sup]th[/sup] century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition. The Rheims (Douai) translation of the New Testament into English was first printed in 1582 but the word "Jew" DID NOT APPEAR IN IT.
The King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English was begun in 1604 and first published in 1611. The word "Jew" did not appear in it either. The word "Jew" appeared in both these well known editions in their 18[sup]th[/sup] century revised versions for the first times.
Countless copies of the revised 18th century editions of the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament into English were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. They did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" nor did they care. They accepted the English word "Jew" as the only and as the accepted form of the Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios." How could they be expected to have known otherwise? The answer is they could not and they did not. It was a NEW English word to them.
When one studies Latin they are taught that the letter "I" in Latin when used as the first letter in a word is pronounced like the letter "Y" in English when it is the first letter in the words like "yes," "youth" and "yacht." The "I" in "Iudaeus" is pronounced like the "Y" in "yes," "youth," and "yacht" in English. In all the 4[sup]th[/sup] century to 18[sup]th[/sup] century forms for the 18[sup]th[/sup] century "Jew" the letter "I" was pronounced like the English "Y" in "yes," "young," and "yacht." The same is true of the "Gi" or the "Gy" when it was used in the place of the letter "I."
The present pronunciation of the word "Jew" in modern English is a development of recent times. In the English language today the "J" in "Jew" is pronounced like the "J" in the English "justice," "jolly," and "jump."
This is the case only since the 18th century. Prior to the 18[sup]th[/sup] century the "J" in "Jew" was pronounced exactly like the "Y" in the English "yes," "youth," and "yacht." Until the 18[sup]th[/sup] century and perhaps even later than the 18th century the word "Jew" in English was pronounced like the English "you" or "hew," and the word "Jews" like "youse" or "hews." The present pronunciation of "Jew" in English is a new pronunciation acquired after the 18[sup]th[/sup] century.
The German language still retains the Latin original pronunciation. The German "Jude" is the German equivalent of the English "Jew." The "J" in the German "Jude" is pronounced exactly like the English "Y" in "yes," "youth," and "yacht." The German "J" is the equivalent of the Latin "I" and both are pronounced exactly like the English "Y" in "yes," "youth," and "yacht."
The German "Jude" is virtually the first syllable of the Latin "Iudaeus" and is pronounced exactly like it. The German "Jude" is the German contraction and corruption of the Latin "Iudaeus" just as the English "Jew" is the contraction and corruption of the Latin "Iudaeus." The German "J" is always pronounced like the English "Y" in "yes," "youth," and "yacht" when it is the first letter of a word. The pronunciation of the "J" in German "Jude" is not an exception to the pronunciation of the "J" in German.
The earliest version of the New Testament in English from the Latin Vulgate Edition is the Wiclif, or Wickliff Edition published in 1380. In the Wiclif Edition Jesus is there mentioned as One of the "iewes." That was the 14[sup]th[/sup] century English version of the Latin "Iudaeus" and was pronounced "hew-weeze," in the plural, and "iewe" pronounced "hew-wee" in the singular.
In the 1380 Wiclif Edition in English the Gospel by John XIX.19, reads "ihesus of Nazareth kyng of the iewes." Prior to the 14th century the English language adopted the Anglo-Saxon "kyng" together with many other Anglo-Saxon words in place of the Latin "rex" and the Greek "basileus." The Anglo-Saxon also meant "tribal leader."
In the Tyndale Edition of the New Testament in English published in 1525 Jesus was likewise described as One of the "Iewes."
In the Coverdale Edition published in 1535 Jesus was also described as One of the "Iewes." Also in the Coverdale Edition the Gospel by John, XIX.19, reads "Iesus of Nazareth, kynge of the Iewes." In the Cranner Edition published in 1539 Jesus was again described as One of the "Iewes."
In the Geneva Edition published in 1540-1557 Jesus was also described as One of the "Iewes." In the Rheims Edition published in 1582 Jesus was described as One of the "Ievves."
In the King James Edition published in 1604-1611 also known as the Authorized Version Jesus was described again as one of the "Iewes." The forms of the Latin "Iudaeus" were used which were current at the time these translations were made.
The translation into English of the Gospel by John, XIX.19, from the Greek in which it was originally written reads "Do not inscribe 'the monarch of the Judeans' but that He Himself said 'I am monarch.'"
In the original Greek manuscript the Greek "basileus" appears for "monarch" in the English and the Greek "Ioudaios" appears for "Judeans" in the English. "Ioudaia" in Greek is "Judea" in English. "Ioudaios" in Greek is "Judeans" in English. There is no reason for any confusion.
If the generally accepted understanding today of the English "Jew" and "Judean" conveyed the identical implications, inferences and innuendoes as both rightly should, it would make no difference which of these two words was used when referring to Jesus in the New Testament or elsewhere. But the implications, inferences, and innuendoes today conveyed by these two words are as different as black is from white. The word "Jew" today is never regarded as a synonym for "Judean" nor is "Judean" regarded as a synonym for "Jew."
When the word "Jew" was first introduced into the English language in the 18[sup]th[/sup] century its one and only implication, inference and innuendo was "Judean."
However during the 18[sup]th[/sup], 19[sup]th[/sup] and 20[sup]th[/sup] centuries a well-organized and well-financed international "pressure group" created a so-called "secondary meaning" for the word "Jew" among the English speaking peoples of the world. This so-called "secondary meaning" for the word "Jew" bears no relation whatsoever to the 18th century original connotation of the word "Jew."
It is a misrepresentation presented to the world deliberately by this well organized and well financed "pressure group" to deceive Christians. (Facts Are Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, pp. 15-20) (And to claim a heritage that is not theirs). This sure seems to be the more correct terminology. It appears from all our readings that the Jews of all ages, always do best what their father, the devil does - and that is lie. (John 8:44)
The Greek words used for "know and knowledge" seem to carry somewhat of a different context or concept than todays English words do. In both the Hebrew and Greek tongue these words carried the connotation - "to know fully."
"Knowledge strictly is the apprehension by the mind of some fact or truth in accordance with its real nature...Knowledge is distinguished from 'opinion' by its greater certainty. The mind is constituted with the capacity for knowledge, and the desire to possess and increase it.
“The character of knowledge varies with its object. The senses give knowledge of outward appearances; the intellect connects and reasons about these appearances, and arrives at general laws or truths; moral truth is apprehended through the power inherently possessed by men of distinguishing right and wrong in the light of moral principles; spiritual sympathy...
“The highest knowledge possible to man is the knowledge of God, and while there is that in God's infinity which transcends man's power of comprehension, God is knowable in the measure in which He has revealed Himself in creation, and supremely in Jesus Christ who alone perfectly knows the Father, and reveals Him to man..." (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, pages 1815-1816)
The problem with knowledge is that it can "enlarge" a man's ego. St. Paul, who is said to have authored the book of 1st Corinthians, penned these words in the 8th Chapter verses 1 and 2:
"...we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."
In these passages, Paul was addressing, primarily, the pagan ritual of things offered to idols and their influence upon Christian fellowship with the heathen community, but the concepts of knowledge are for general application. Paul shows that a conceited knowledge is not a good thing.
But the man who understands that love is for more important than knowledge has a handle on "knowing" and the limits contained therein. True love for you neighbor (fellow Israelite) has a real concern that consults the interest of others. There can be found a common evidence of ignorance in a person and that evidence is a conceit of knowledge. That is why Paul said, "if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing as yet he ought to know."
Many believe that Paul used these words here, because of the arrogance and forcefulness of the Jews, whose religion was Judaism (Traditions of the Elders - at that time in history) and their attitudes towards the "goyium," i.e., White Israelites. These Jews always want to be in control and more or less run the show.
The person who knows most, is the one who best understands his own ignorance and the imperfections of human knowledge. The vain and conceited person, that "thinks" he knows everything, is drunk on his own imagination, a real Jewish trait.
He should examine himself to see if he really knows any thing alright. It surely is one thing to know truth and another thing to know truth as it ought to be known. When truth is known alright it will duly improve our knowledge. For God said: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (why?) BECAUSE THOU (you) HAST (have) REJECTED KNOWLEDGE (therefore God will), I will also reject thee..." (Hosea 4:6)
The man or woman who truly knows the YHWH of True Israel are taught and guided into knowing truth aright, and so must the living of his/her life accordingly. The man or woman who has a vain and conceited opinion of him/herself is impeding the leadership and/or guidance of the Holy Spirit.
This kind of knowledge can not be bought or sold. True wisdom does not come from books or personal experience, but rather from YHWH, His son and His Holy spirit. If the "Jew" word problem and society problem had never been introduced into society things might have been different, but it is there, it is a real live issue of today, for you and I. We have to obtain truth aright from Scripture, history, both secular and Biblical, and from letting the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth, see John 14, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:20)
Now, let us return to the wicked, commercial and immoral city of Corinth, that according to scholars, "Jews flocked to this trade center." (Acts 18:1-18; Romans 16:21; 1 Corinthians 9:20) In Acts 18 we find that Paul encountered the Jewish problem first hand.
1). There were some Jews (and/or Judeans) there, along with some Greeks.
2). Paul reasoned with them, some opposed him and blasphemed and he said their blood would be on their heads.
3). Some Judeans believed in Christ. Jews lived among Israelites and Greeks in Corinth.
4). Upset Jews rose up in insurrection against Paul in strife.
5). The Jews instilled fear and silence in Corinthians, making them afraid to speak the truth.
6). The deceived Jews (Judeans) had to have a teacher (Paul) to show a more perfect knowledge of YHWH and Christ.
7). Apparently all Jews did not worship God.
8). Paul is accused by Jews before the Roman court.
9). The court cleared Paul of any wrong.
10). The Jews took their contempt out on another person.
There are many people who live in Texas and are called Texans. But all these Texans are not of the same race, region, or religion. There are some True Israelites (Hebrews) in Texas. We are sure that there are some Jewish Texans also. How can one tell one from the other.
There is probably no way one can, unless, they tell you who they are or what they are or we can see their fruits which produce evidence. If a person is asked if he is Jewish or an Israelites, we feel that a true Israelite would tell all he knows about his religion.
But Jews, back then and even today, are almost always afraid of the truth. John 8:44 says that the father of the Jews is the devil and a liar. Apparently the real nature (part of the definition of know, supra) of the Jew is trickery, deception and lies. True Israelites know that it is wrong to lie instinctively. (Taken, in part, from Facts or Facts by Benjamin Freedman)
 

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I think most Christians think of the Jews as a ''race''.

And what race would that be? Race is an artificial construct. If you notice race is not mentioned in the Bible. In the Bible people are referred to by the tribe or name of their ancestors.

The Jews are made up of Edomites/Khazars
I think the Jews are more of a mixed breed than a ''pure'' race
Esau/Edom had Canaanite wives (Genesis 36:2)
The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."
Israel was not to mix with the canaanites (Deuteronomy 7)

Arthur Koestler states in his book ''the thirteenth tribe''

*Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740.
*Jews more closely related to Hun, Uigur, and Magyrs than to the seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
*Israeli's right to exist...not based on...the mythological covenant of Abraham with God; it is based on international law -- i.e., on the United Nations' decision of 1947. . .
*They lost the name of Khazars and became known as Jews. During Dark Ages commerce largely in Jewish hands, including slave trade.
*Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia and A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish History, Tel Aviv University.

I don't agree with that. The Jews are of the tribe of Judah whom Jacob had from Leah. I am not into this so-called mix breed or pure breed thing. Those definitions were made up by people who believe that people are inferior or superior depending on what so-called race they might be. And there is no such thing as a pure breed of human beings......since there was no such thing as racism back then, people were intermarrying freely from various tribes.....even the tribe of Israel have intermarried outside of their tribe. So anyone who believe they are pure (whatever that means) are only fooling themselves. And besides, God is not into race.......He is the creator of all people.....we are all have one origin.....Adam and Eve.
 

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You see there was not even a letter "j" or "J" until the middle of the 18[sup]th[/sup] century. Check any encyclopedia you wish for proof of this.
In the Latin Jerome 4[sup]th[/sup] century Vulgate Edition of the New Testament Jesus is referred to by the Genitive Plural of "Iudaeus" in the Gospel by John reference to the inscription on the Cross, "Iudaeorum." It was in the 4th century that Jerome translated into Latin the manuscripts of the New Testament from the original languages in which they were written.
This translation by Jerome is referred to still today, as the Vulgate Edition by the Roman Catholic Church authorities, who use it today. Jesus is referred to as a so-called "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century editions in the English language of the 14th century first translations of the New Testament into English.
The history of the origin of the word "Jew" in the English language leaves no doubt that the 18th century "Jew" is the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in Jerome's Vulgate Edition.

That writing is wrong. The 1611 King James bible had the word Jew and Jews in it. Here it is exactly how it was published in 1611

Ezera 4
12 Be it known unto the king, that the Jews that came up from thee are come to us unto Jerusalem;

It was not always plural either here it is used singular. from the 1611 King James bible.


5 ¶ Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;









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And what race would that be? Race is an artificial construct. If you notice race is not mentioned in the Bible. In the Bible people are referred to by the tribe or name of their ancestors.



I don't agree with that. The Jews are of the tribe of Judah whom Jacob had from Leah. I am not into this so-called mix breed or pure breed thing. Those definitions were made up by people who believe that people are inferior or superior depending on what so-called race they might be. And there is no such thing as a pure breed of human beings......since there was no such thing as racism back then, people were intermarrying freely from various tribes.....even the tribe of Israel have intermarried outside of their tribe. So anyone who believe they are pure (whatever that means) are only fooling themselves. And besides, God is not into race.......He is the creator of all people.....we are all have one origin.....Adam and Eve.

Made up?

Arthur Koestler is a Jew,he wrote that the Jews are from the khazars!

The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."

Are you saying the Jews are making up their own facts?

If modern Jews are not descendants of the original Israelites, who are they? Professor of Medieval Jewish History, Abraham N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, has stated:

"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)


Israel was chosen,if God is not into race what was the point of Israel been chosen?(over other peoples on earth)

Deuteronomy 7:6:For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 10:15:Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

We all have our origin with Adam and Eve?

Who was Cain afraid of in Genesis 4?

Genesis 4:14:Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Who could possible slay Cain if Adam and Eve are the only other people on earth?

Genesis 4:15:And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Animals? can animals recognize a mark?

Adam and Eve? If it were Adam and Eve that Cain was afraid of then he would have no need of a mark,they would know him by sight!

Ever heard of Pre-Adamites?(Ezekiel 31)

Adam in the Hebrew means 119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

Notice ''to show blood (in the face)'' ''turn rosy:''

There is only one people with that Characteristic...
 

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Yes, race is manmade. Do you see race mentioned in the Bible? What are people identified as in the Bible as?

Arthur Koestler is a Jew,he wrote that the Jews are from the khazars!

The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41, says:"Edom is in Modern Jewery."

Are you saying the Jews are making up their own facts?

If modern Jews are not descendants of the original Israelites, who are they? Professor of Medieval Jewish History, Abraham N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, has stated:


I said the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Judah was only one tribe in the tribe of Israel. And the tribe of Judah as the scripture shows separated from Israel and was even at war against each other.


"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)


Israel was chosen,if God is not into race what was the point of Israel been chosen?(over other peoples on earth)

Deuteronomy 7:6:For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 10:15:Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.:


Where does race mentioned in any of those scriptures? Doesn't one verse say that God chose Israel because of their fathers? What fathers is it referring to? What did God told Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Didn't God said as a result of their obedience to Him He would bless them by making their offspring like the stars of the heaven or sands on the sea shore?


"We all have our origin with Adam and Eve?

I will let the Bible answer that.

Acts 17:26 (BBE)
[sup]26 [/sup]And he has made of one blood all the nations of men living on all the face of the earth, ordering their times and the limits of their lands,

"Who was Cain afraid of in Genesis 4?

Genesis 4:14:Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Who could possible slay Cain if Adam and Eve are the only other people on earth?

Genesis 4:15:And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Animals? can animals recognize a mark??


Who said that when Cain killed his brother that there were no other children of Adam and Eve? Do you think the Bible is a Book that mentions every single thing that took place in history? For example: the Bible does not tell us how many daughters Adam and Eve had....it does not even tell us that they had any. God expect us to use some common sense. So obviously Adam and Eve had other children that were not mentioned in the Bible.


"Adam and Eve? If it were Adam and Eve that Cain was afraid of then he would have no need of a mark,they would know him by sight!

Ever heard of Pre-Adamites?(Ezekiel 31)

Adam in the Hebrew means 119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

Notice ''to show blood (in the face)'' ''turn rosy:''

There is only one people with that Characteristic...

I have already show you a scripture that says all came from one blood.
 

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Yes, race is manmade. Do you see race mentioned in the Bible? What are people identified as in the Bible as?




I said the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Judah was only one tribe in the tribe of Israel. And the tribe of Judah as the scripture shows separated from Israel and was even at war against each other.





Where does race mentioned in any of those scriptures? Doesn't one verse say that God chose Israel because of their fathers? What fathers is it referring to? What did God told Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Didn't God said as a result of their obedience to Him He would bless them by making their offspring like the stars of the heaven or sands on the sea shore?




I will let the Bible answer that.

Acts 17:26 (BBE)
[sup]26 [/sup]And he has made of one blood all the nations of men living on all the face of the earth, ordering their times and the limits of their lands,




Who said that when Cain killed his brother that there were no other children of Adam and Eve? Do you think the Bible is a Book that mentions every single thing that took place in history? For example: the Bible does not tell us how many daughters Adam and Eve had....it does not even tell us that they had any. God expect us to use some common sense. So obviously Adam and Eve had other children that were not mentioned in the Bible.




I have already show you a scripture that says all came from one blood.

Jeremiah 24, the Jews are the bad figs from what I gather.

Modern Jews are Edomites and anti-Christs...(1 John 4:3)

John 8:33:They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

No Jew could say that if they were truly Israel...as they would have been in bondage many times...



Who said that when Cain killed his brother that there were no other children of Adam and Eve?


You are trapped in your own words,his brothers and sisters would recognize him by sight so why would Cain need a mark?

There were other people around who were not from Adam but were Pre-Adamites...

Do you think that Adam and Eve could have a white child then a black child then an Asian?


You quote Acts 17:26?


Acts 17:26-27 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Zech. 2:11 “ Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.

As a matter of fact, in the OT days, although Israel didn't assimilate their neighbors, it was granted to Gentiles to convert (i.e. Egyptians proselytes in the Exodus). Of course, it was conditional in those days as Aces High noted. You had to be circumcised.

But now it's unconditional (Acts 17:30, Acts 26:18)

God can (Job 34:14-15) and does (2 Kings 20:1-6) change His mind.

No, that's talking about His promises in relation to Israel. God does change in relation to Gentiles (Jonah 3:10).


Wherever you see the word Gentile in the Bible, remember the correct word is nation, race or people. Sometimes it is used when speaking of Israel nations or the Israelite race

The people of Jesus are Israel - - if it is the world it destroys the whole point of having a chosen people,James was writing to the twelve tribes scattered abroad,so the people are the twelve tribes.
Why are the Apostles going to be ''judging the twelve tribes of Israel'' only and not the world?????

You have to read the context of gentile and nation to see how it would connect.

In Zech. 2:11:And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Look at the context,nations means:1471 gowy go'-ee rarely (shortened) goy {go'-ee}; apparently from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:--Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

If it read ''And many ''people'' shall be joined to the LORD in that day

It is the context and still implies ''Israel'' - -That is how Israel can also be gentiles and nations!


Regarding Acts 17:26-27, the word ''blood'' was never used in the Bible to convey the idea of one who is a relative or biologically related.Instead it uses the words ''bone and flesh'' to convey the idea of biological relations as in the following verses:

Genesis 2:23:And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Genesis 29:14:And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh. And he abode with him the space of a month.

2 Samuel 5:1:Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.

1 Chronicles 11:1:Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.

2 Samuel 19:12:Ye are my brethren, ye are my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?

Ephesians 5:30:For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Now in modern day language those speaking in these verses might have said, ''you are of my blood.'' But that meaning did not exist in biblical times so they used the words ''bone and flesh.'' If Paul had said in Acts 17 that
God has made all men of one bone and flesh,the egalitarians might have an argument.But as it is with the word blood they have no argument.

Since we are not talking about genetics in Acts 17:26, we could say that all people do have the same or one blood.
That is,once we understand biblically,blood means the essence of life.

Ecc 3:18-20:18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.



Here the Bible says that man and animal both have ''one breath.'' and that they both are made out of one and the same ''dust.''

Does that mean we are related to animals?

Now what did Paul mean in that verse(Acts 17)?

Acts 17:22-27:22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:


Paul was speaking to the men of Athens.These people had a lot of pride and ego regarding their culture and nation.They considered their culture to be the best,that they had the best religion and idols,the best academics,etc.
Paul thus addresses these problems of conceit,as one Bible commentator says:


The Apostle rebukes the narrow pride of the Greeks,who divided mankind into Greeks and barbarians,the latter being of no account


- J.R. Dummelow,A commentary on the Holy Bibl p 842


According to a Greek,you were either a Greek or a no count barbarian.Thus the two main issues of contention Paul has with the men of Athens are their idolatry and their conceited view of their nation.Paul was telling them that there is one God who made all things,including all nations!
The word ''nations'' is a key word here.Everyone reads Acts 17:26 as though it says, God had made of one blood all men.The book one blood quotes it as, ''God had made all men of one blood.'' But that is not what it says!


- Ham,Wieland,Batten,One blood p 122


It says God has made of one blood all nations of men.
The issue is nations which consist of men.God made or established all nations,including Greece.This fact would tend to deflate the conceited view of the Greeks.So the issue is nations not individual men.Most have failed to see this because they have been conditioned by the erroneous interpretation of this verse and develop a mental block and unable to read it correctly.


Once we understand that the issue is nations we can see that the word blood does not fit in the verse very well.The better reading is this ----God made from one every nation of men.Also,the word from is more appropriate here than is the word of.So it actually read's from one.
But what is the ONE in this verse?
Looking again at the context and Bible as a whole,many authorities have said that the one in this verse could be Adam.


It would seem that the ONE in Acts 17:26g is a reference to Adam,or the dust of the ground.But remember,it would not read,God has made of Adam all men.Rather it would be saying, God has made from Adam all nations.
Paul then is stating biblical history.This verse is cross referenced to Deut 32:8 which reads:


When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

When the most high divided to the nations their inheritance,when he separated the sons of Adam,he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

We can see the similarity of Acts 17:26 with this verse.Both talk about God dividing the nations within their own boundaries.
 

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Jeremiah 24, the Jews are the bad figs from what I gather.

Modern Jews are Edomites and anti-Christs...(1 John 4:3)

John 8:33:They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

No Jew could say that if they were truly Israel...as they would have been in bondage many times...

You actually believe what these Pharisees were saying? They are liars. Even as they spoke they were a defeated people.....they were Roman subjects......they were not free and feared the Romans. It’s one of the reasons why the wanted to silence Jesus. They thought that Jesus intended to over through the Romans and they feared what would happen if the Romans found out.

John 11:45-48 (ASV)
[sup]45 [/sup]Many therefore of the Jews, who came to Mary and beheld that which he did, believed on him.
[sup]46 [/sup]But some of them went away to the Pharisees, and told them the things which Jesus had done.
[sup]47 [/sup]The chief priests therefore and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many signs.
[sup]48 [/sup]If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.





Who said that when Cain killed his brother that there were no other children of Adam and Eve?


You are trapped in your own words,his brothers and sisters would recognize him by sight so why would Cain need a mark?


You assume that. But that does not have to be. You can have family members that you don't know and they don't know you. I can personally testify to that. I have two sisters that I never knew while I was growing up until after I graduated. Back then the world was a very very large place to live and people lived to be to be close to a thousand years old. So once a son or daughter is old enough to take care of themselves they would simply go out on their own. Mean while Adam and Eve would still be young enough to have more children after the adult ones left home to build a life for themselves. The much younger siblings would not know there older brother and sisters, not to mention their niece and nevus that might be as old as they are or even older.


There were other people around who were not from Adam but were Pre-Adamites...


That is not supported in scripture. I have already provided the scripture that refutes that notion. That believe is rooted in racism.....and is invented as a way to justify treated others as not part of the human family. It’s what was used to justify slavery, to put others down for example.


Do you think that Adam and Eve could have a white child then a black child then an Asian?


You underestimate the power of God and what He can do. If God can make a donkey talk, turn water into blood or give a man like Samson his great strength, is it that farfetched and impossible that God created the Asian genes and the Black genes in Eve egg or in Adam's sperm?.



You quote Acts 17:26?


Acts 17:26-27 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Zech. 2:11 “ Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.

As a matter of fact, in the OT days, although Israel didn't assimilate their neighbors, it was granted to Gentiles to convert (i.e. Egyptians proselytes in the Exodus). Of course, it was conditional in those days as Aces High noted. You had to be circumcised.

But now it's unconditional (Acts 17:30, Acts 26:18)

God can (Job 34:14-15) and does (2 Kings 20:1-6) change His mind.


If you notice in Acts17:26 its says the Nations all came from one man. I highlighted and underline the important part that I am addressing. If there were people that did not come from Adam it would not have said made from one man. So as far as I am consern there is nothing more to discuss here........the scriptures are clear......we all have one ansestry.

 

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Yes, race is manmade. Do you see race mentioned in the Bible? What are people identified as in the Bible as?
Ethnos in Greek means Race as was used often in the NT.




I said the Jews are of the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Judah was only one tribe in the tribe of Israel. And the tribe of Judah as the scripture shows separated from Israel and was even at war against each other.
Benjamin was with Judah and a portion of Levittes. But theword Jew became known as those following a religion beleived to be coined by Josephus.



Where does race mentioned in any of those scriptures? Doesn't one verse say that God chose Israel because of their fathers? What fathers is it referring to? What did God told Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Didn't God said as a result of their obedience to Him He would bless them by making their offspring like the stars of the heaven or sands on the sea shore?
Yes, Yah chose Israel because of Abraham and his lineage became Israel. Jews claime to have about 14 million today, many converts and most Jews can not prove they were related to Abraham.
Some Jews even claim they aren't related to the old Hebrews.

I have already show you a scripture that says all came from one blood.
The word Blood was added later and not part of the original scripture.
You have to study deeper than the KJV translations to know the truth.
Many commentaries tell you "Blood" was added.


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