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Your post, Buzzfruit is quintessential double-speak. Good Jews, Bad Jews, Satanic Jews who become Good Jews . . .


The words good Jews bad Jews never come from me. I spoke of natural born Jews vs. spiritual Jews. If you twist what I say, then I can imagine what you do to the Bible.

First of all, most Jews that ever lived are dead. Is there likewise repentance for these Satanic Jews after death? If so why would the Apostles bother to preach in the synagogues (they could always repent later after they're dead)?



That's what you say. You don't understand the scriptures because you keep twisting it to what you want it to mean.

Secondly, contrary to the promise of Abraham to multiple his seed, Jews
are staticstically a very small population worldwide. In the USA alone they constitute a mere 3% of the population. Of those 3% way less than 1% actually profess any faith in God. And of those few that DO profess a faith in God, a miniscule percentage of Jews acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. So, I'll grant you that a very small remnant of the Jews might be saved but there is still NO SALVATION FOR THOSE THAT REJECT JESUS AS LORD.)


As I said before you do not understand the scriptures.
 

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Some good questions (for a change) Duckybill.

No one is claiming that NO JEWS CAN BE SAVED. Sure, some residents of Judea in the first century saw the marvelous works of Jesus, repented of their sin and acknowledged Jesus as their LORD and Savior. The Apostles and Christ's disciples are numbered among them. Though today, those that call themselves Jews rarely, if ever follow the first century "Jews" repentance example.
Are you saying Jews can't be saved now???
The contemporary English translations we read from don't always express the original exact Hebraic, Aramaic or Greek meaning.

The Apostle John has Jesus answering a different way:

John 18:34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

Then, Jesus specifically denies that His kingdom is of Judea:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I knew it was inevitable. Attacking our English Bibles.
I know God can and indeed does but the promise of Ezekiel 36 is unto the House of Israel, not unto modern day Turkish/Khazar Jewry who have no lineage to Abraham whatsoever. Their own sources declare that they are imposters, just like Jesus stated in Rev. 2:9 and Rev 3:9.
Please try to avoid speculations. You are simply using sources that please YOU.
"Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the
entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

These Jews are not even Semitic people:

The Bible relates that the Khazar (Ashkenaz) Jews were/are the sons of Japheth not Shem:

"Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were
sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth;...the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz..."
(Gen.10:1-3)
And still, you don't know who are Jews and who aren't. You are guessing to please yourself. Anyone can become a Christian unless he has blasphemed the HS. I hope God doesn't use your own judgment against you. But He did mention judging others, didn't He.
 
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James Forthwright,

I think you and your cohorts are fools. As such I would typically answer you according to your folly, as Scripture provides. However, it is equally incumbent that I allow not be too presumptuous. As such I will provide the following from Post #214:

I truly appreciate you answering in a more civil fashion, BibleScribe (even though it is a cut 'n paste of a prior post). And for your information, I did read the entire contents of the 9 page thread before posting.


It is the epitome of self grandeur for some to suppose they are the center of the earth. And certainly where these believe that of Christianity, GOD has preserved his Chosen for their appointed completion:

Romans 11
[sup]25[/sup]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[sup]26[/sup]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[sup]27[/sup]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

So for the ignorant and self-centered individuals, put away your conceit and accept that GOD blinded the Jews for a season so that you could join that relationship.

The House Israel was often known to be a 'stiff-necked rebellious people'. The OT describes numerous periods of their history where they became idolatrous "for a season" and were then banished by the LORD God. These seasons of rebellion were for a generation or two then they repented of their sins and returned unto the LORD. Never did these times of Israel's spiritual rebellion last for thousands of years!

If you really wish to uncover the true identity of the Lost tribes of Israel the best way is to examine their prophetic fulfillments and fruits of their lineage. Other than the very recent occupancy of the Jews in the Holy Land, the fruits of the Jewish people is abominable. They've been exiled over a hundred times for their usurious practices and sinister societal influences.
Though Jews make up a mere 3% of the USA they dominate our financial system which is on the brink of total collapse. The Jews also dominate our godless prevaricating mass media, the shameless porn industry, even dealing in organ thefts in Palestine.

It's a matter of mistaken identity for those Zionist Christians who support the modern state of Israel. Jesus stated that their would be "those who claim to be Jews and are not" (Rev. 2:9 & Rev. 3:9 and we've even showed you proof from the Jews own writings that they are NOT the descendants of Abraham but of Turkish/Khazar extraction, yet you keep insisting that anti-Christ Jews are "God's chosen people". Here's what Ungar's Bible Dictionary has to say about them:

"Ash'kenas -- the first named of the sons of Gomer, son of Japhet
(Gen_10:3), and equivalent to Assyrian, Ashkuz, the Scythians (W.F.
Albright, OT Commentary, 1948, p. 138). In the time of Jeremiah they
dwelt in the neighborhood of Ararat and Minni (the Mannai of the
Assyrian inscriptions) S.E. of Lake Van. They were rude and retarded
in civilization and periodically overran extensive territory, so that
their name came to be tantamount to barbarians." -- Merril F. Unger's
Bible Dictionary


"It is highly probable that the bulk of the Jew's
ancestors 'never' lived in Palestine 'at all,'
which witnesses the power of historical assertion
over fact." --The Outline of History: H. G. Wells,
 
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Are you saying Jews can't be saved now???

That's not what I said. In fact, I stated just the opposite. Anyone can humbly get down on their knees, ask the LORD for forgiveness and acknowledge Jesus as their LORD and Savior. It's just a simple fact that FEW JEWS will do this.

I knew it was inevitable. Attacking our English Bibles.

C'mon Duckybill. Do you really believe that every English Bible is a totally accurate translation of the original texts? They don't agree with each other in many respects let alone the original ancient languages.

Please try to avoid speculations. You are simply using sources that please YOU.

I quoted Jesus' own words in the Book of Revelation. Do you find Jesus' own word about Jews offensive?

And still, you don't know who are Jews and who aren't. You are guessing to please yourself. Anyone can become a Christian unless he has blasphemed the HS. I hope God doesn't use your own judgment against you. But He did mention judging others.

As I previously stated, I believe that some Jews may be saved IF they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah when they are still alive. However, there is no repentance after one has died, therefore most Jews, after the resurrection of Christ, will not be saved because they willfully rejected Jesus as Messiah.

We are called to judge righteously. (Deut. 1:6, Prov 31:9, 1Cor. 6:2-4, 1Cor. 10:15) You judge my testimony as I, in turn, am free to judge yours.
 

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That's not what I said. In fact, I stated just the opposite. Anyone can humbly get down on their knees, ask the LORD for forgiveness and acknowledge Jesus as their LORD and Savior. It's just a simple fact that FEW JEWS will do this.
A fact???
C'mon Duckybill. Do you really believe that every English Bible is a totally accurate translation of the original texts? They don't agree with each other in many respects let alone the original ancient languages.
It's a common tactic to charge our English Bibles as erroneous when someone doesn't like what God said.
I quoted Jesus' own words in the Book of Revelation. Do you find Jesus' own word about Jews offensive?
Jesus was talking about specific people when said their father was the Devil, not Jews. There are MANY of your race who are of the Devil too.
As I previously stated, I believe that some Jews may be saved IF they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah when they are still alive. However, there is no repentance after one has died, therefore most Jews will not be saved because they willfully rejected Jesus as Messiah.
The same goes for ALL races.
We are called to judge righteously. (Deut. 1:6, Prov 31:9, 1Cor. 6:2-4, 1Cor. 10:15) You judge my testimony as I, in turn, am free to judge yours.
Calling Jews of the Devil is not judging righteously. It is Satanic.
 
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A fact???

This is IN FACT what I previously stated:

No one is claiming that NO JEWS CAN BE SAVED. Sure, some residents of Judea in the first century saw the marvelous works of Jesus, repented of their sin and acknowledged Jesus as their LORD and Savior. The Apostles and Christ's disciples are numbered among them. Though today, those that call themselves Jews rarely, if ever follow the first century "Jews" repentance example.

It's a common tactic to charge our English Bibles as erroneous when someone doesn't like what God said.

That may well be a tactic used by Bible-deniers but that was NOT my intent. What I tried to explain is that all Bibles are mere translations of ancient texts. Some linguistic nuances of phrases are inevitably 'lost in translation'. It really can't be helped. There are no autographed original copies from either the Old Testament or New Testament from the original writers. The best we have is ancient copies and those copies don't always agree word-for-word. So how can every English translation be flawless?


Jesus was talking about specific people when said their father was the Devil, not Jews. There are MANY of your race who are of the Devil too.

Go read the 8th Chapter of John and see whom He was addressing. It clearly states it was "the Jews" over and over again. What makes you think the Jews of today would react any different than their ancient counterparts?


The same goes for ALL races.

No one is claiming that there are not good and evil people of all races. That's a silly claim. And unlike some Christian Identity believers, I do believe that there will be remnants of other races that will attain salvation. But Christianity was called 'The White Man's religion' for centuries and for good reason.



Calling Jews of the Devil is not judging righteously. It is Satanic.

How many Jews accept Jesus as Messiah? There is no salvation outside of a sincere acknowledgment that Jesus is LORD. (John 14:6)
 

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This is IN FACT what I previously stated:

No one is claiming that NO JEWS CAN BE SAVED. Sure, some residents of Judea in the first century saw the marvelous works of Jesus, repented of their sin and acknowledged Jesus as their LORD and Savior. The Apostles and Christ's disciples are numbered among them. Though today, those that call themselves Jews rarely, if ever follow the first century "Jews" repentance example.
Your opinion is not FACT.
That may well be a tactic used by Bible-deniers but that was NOT my intent. What I tried to explain is that all Bibles are mere translations of ancient texts. Some linguistic nuances of phrases are inevitably 'lost in translation'. It really can't be helped. There are no autographed original copies from either the Old Testament or New Testament from the original writers. The best we have is ancient copies and those copies don't always agree word-for-word. So how can every English translation be flawless?
Jesus NEVER denied being King of the Jews. Nor being a Jew.
Go read the 8th Chapter of John and see whom He was addressing. It clearly states it was "the Jews" over and over again. What makes you think the Jews of today would react any different than their ancient counterparts?
What makes you think Gentiles would react any different? You are clearly biased against Jews.
No one is claiming that there are not good and evil people of all races. That's a silly claim. And unlike some Christian Identity believers, I do believe that there will be remnants of other races that will attain salvation. But Christianity was called 'The White Man's religion' for centuries and for good reason.
And what would those reasons be? Are you serious???
How many Jews accept Jesus as Messiah?

Please. How many Gentiles accepted Jesus when He was here?
There is no salvation outside of a sincere acknowledgment that Jesus is LORD. (John 14:6)
That would be Jesus the Jew.

John 4:9 (NKJV)
9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.
 
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Your opinion is not FACT.

Why not try scripturally refuting what I've stated rather than repeatedly claiming that all opposing views to your personal theology is nothing but "opinion"?



Jesus NEVER denied being King of the Jews. Nor being a Jew.

Jesus was technically born in Bethlehem, a city of Judea to fulfill prophecy so in that sense He was a Jew (of Judea). However, His ministry was based in Galilee and with the notable exception of Judas Iscariot, all His closest disciples were of the Northern province which was formerly the ten-tribed nation of Israel. They even had accents markedly different than those living in Judea.




What makes you think Gentiles would react any different? You are clearly biased against Jews.

Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!

And what would those reasons be? Are you serious???


Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!



Please. How many Gentiles accepted Jesus when He was here?

Again, to fulfill prophecy, Jesus was to first be rejected and crucified of the Jews and after His resurrection His disciples were instructed to preach the gospel throughout the world to as many as would receive Him, be baptized and repent.



That would be Jesus the Jew.

John 4:9 (NKJV)
9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.

Jesus was naturally born in Bethlehem, Judea. . . so? It is more important that one acknowledge his heavenly birthplace (that He is the Son of God) than His terrestrial origin. This Samaritan woman 'saw the Light' and was saved, Jews, on the other hand, historically refuse to do so and will receive their just reward.
 

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Why not try scripturally refuting what I've stated rather than repeatedly claiming that all opposing views to your personal theology is nothing but "opinion"?





Jesus was technically born in Bethlehem, a city of Judea to fulfill prophecy so in that sense He was a Jew (of Judea). However, His ministry was based in Galilee and with the notable exception of Judas Iscariot, all His closest disciples were of the Northern province which was formerly the ten-tribed nation of Israel. They even had accents markedly different than those living in Judea.






Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!




Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!





Again, to fulfill prophecy, Jesus was to first be rejected and crucified of the Jews and after His resurrection His disciples were instructed to preach the gospel throughout the world to as many as would receive Him, be baptized and repent.





Jesus was naturally born in Bethlehem, Judea. . . so? It is more important that one acknowledge his heavenly birthplace (that He is the Son of God) than His terrestrial origin. This Samaritan woman 'saw the Light' and was saved, Jews, on the other hand, historically refuse to do so and will receive their just reward.

Where in the Bible does it say she was saved? All it says she did was tell people about a man who knew all that she did, and asked if He was the coming one....the Christ.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say she was saved? All it says she did was tell people about a man who knew all that she did, and asked if He was the coming one....the Christ.

Go and reread the 4th chapter of John and draw your own conclusions. No one can know for sure of anyone's salvation that's why the scriptures speak of the HOPE of salvation (1Thess. 5:8, Rom. 8:24, Gal. 5:5, Col 1:5, Col. 1:23 etc.)

I am sure that without at least the acknowledgement of Jesus as Messiah, their isn't much to be hopeful of.
 

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Totally irrelevant. That is where Jesus will return to fight for Israel. Man's boundaries and names mean nothing. It is God who decides.

God raised Israel from the dead. He is well able to sustain them. Did you give to Israel or was it taken from you?

State, Nation, call it whatever you like. Man made names don't change the fact that Israel exists, with its Capitol Jerusalem.

More speculation. It's the LAND that matters. Those whom God brings back to THE LAND.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 (KJV)
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

And that Land is Israel.

"26 A new heart also will I give you

26 A new heart also will I give you

26 A new heart also will I give you

TOTALLY irrelevant. Nation or State, are only man made names. It's about the Land of Israel.

"24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. "

Irrelevant:

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

It's about the Land.

Did you give willingly or did God take it from you?

I've read the Bible and I've looked at the maps. I know where Israel, Capitol Jerusalem are. Right where God put them. And I know where Jesus will return. And I know who He will fight for, Israel, Capitol Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:2-4 (NKJV)
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

I highly recommend to ALL, don't speak against the 'State' of Israel.

Exodus 32:13 (NKJV)
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "

Do you really think Jesus will return to modern Israel/modern Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37-39:[sup]37[/sup]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
[sup]38[/sup]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
[sup]39[/sup]For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Here Christ was speaking to the city of Jerusalem that He was standing and looking
at Jerusalem, the city that had killed Israel's prophets down through the centuries; and He
said, Jerusalem, "your house is left unto you desolate." He could not have been speaking
of prophetic Jerusalem, for that has a glorious future!
SO,HOW COULD MODERN ISRAEL BE OLD ISRAEL AND MODERN JERUSALEM BE OLD JERUSALEM?Read Zechariah 2:1-4

Israel is a state supported by a Christian country,the USA,it can stop been a state if the USA stops it's support of Israel.
If you really think Jesus will return to the modern state of Israel,to a people who do not believe in him or accept Christianity or fulfill any of the marks of Israel,then that speaks volume of Christianity,of why someone should be Christian if Jesus will return to the enemies of Christianity,to people who do not believe in him instead of the believers!




Gentiles Must Suffer to Make Jews The Messiah
Sanhedrin 98b: Although some Jews look for a War Lord individual who will help place Jewry on the throne of the world THE ACTUAL VIEW OF JUDAISM IS THAT THE JEWISH PEOPLE THEMSELVES COMPRISE THE MESSIAH, AND THEIR REIGN IS THE MESSIANIC REIGN (Foretold for Christ in the Bible) The tribulation foretold to precede the reign of Christ, in which Satanism strives to subdue the world, is scoffed at by the Talmud and called "fictitious." Babylonian power will not fall. The tribulation will be but "the throes of mother Zion which is in labor to bring forth the Messiah; without metaphor, the Jewish people. (Kethuboth 111a) In other words, to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor; they are literally just that; they are the Messiah, says the Talmud.
The passage in Sanhedrin 98b records the exulting words of the pharisee Rabbis: "The Jews are destined to eat their fill in the days of the Messiah." Above these words is this: "When the ox runs and falls, the horse is put into his stall," which is explained thus: "it will be difficult to remove the Gentiles from their position without inflicting much suffering." And then: "The years of plenty which the Messiah will usher in will be enjoyed by the Israelites."
BEAR IN MIND, ALWAYS, THAT THE PAGAN BABYLONIAN TALMUDISTS HAVE STOLEN THE BIBLICAL NAMES FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL (Christ) WHO BELIEVE IN HIM AND IN THE ISRAEL PROPHETS WHO FORETOLD HIM. Biblically, they are the sex-worshiping "Gentiles" and we are spiritually "Israel." But, let them reverse things they HAVE
The congregation of Israel was ever a racial entity; the Bible testifies to that. All blessings promised to True Israel and Christians are stolen by the Jews.
 

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Go and reread the 4th chapter of John and draw your own conclusions. No one can know for sure of anyone's salvation that's why the scriptures speak of the HOPE of salvation (1Thess. 5:8, Rom. 8:24, Gal. 5:5, Col 1:5, Col. 1:23 etc.)

I am sure that without at least the acknowledgement of Jesus as Messiah, their isn't much to be hopeful of.

My conclusion is since it never said she was then I am not going to say she was.....there is no indication she was or that she became a disciple of Jesus.The word in the original Greek does not suggest that one is not sure they are saved.....its more of an anticipation of something one is expecting. So if you are not sure you are saved then there is doubt in your mind and the Bible says, it's impossible to please God without faith. But I don't have any doubt that I am saved......I can almost taste the glory to come.
 

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Do you really think Jesus will return to modern Israel/modern Jerusalem?
Hey Bro, there is little doubt that Yeshua will return to the very same spot he left this earth.

Mount of Olives is in old Israel. When he touches his feet on the mount he shall split the land in two with a earthquake.
 
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To get back on Topic:

Here is what some of the Early Church Fathers said about Jews:

"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also
have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord
Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men
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(1Th 2:14-15)." --The Apostle Paul
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"Epistle of Barnabas" Chapter 4:6-7 (between 130A.D. and 138 A.D.)
Take heed to yourselves and be not like some piling up you sins and saying that the covenant is theirs as well as ours. It is ours, but they lost it completely just after Moses received it.
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Origen of Alexandria (185-254 A.D.) – A ecclesiastical writer and teacher who contributed to the early formation of Christian doctrines.
We may thus assert in utter confidence that the Jews will not return to their earlier situation, for they have committed the most abominable of crimes, in forming this conspiracy against the Savior of the human race…hence the city where Jesus suffered was necessarily destroyed, the Jewish nation was driven from its country, and another people was called by God to the blessed election.
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John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) – One of the "greatest" of church fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous for his sermons and addresses.
"The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason."
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Peter the Venerable – known as "the meekest of men, a model of Christian charity:

"Yes, you Jews. I say, do I address you; you, who till this very day, deny the Son of God. How long, poor wretches, will ye not believe the truth? Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human… I lead out from its den a monstrous animal, and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheater of the world, in the sight of all the people. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men."
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St. John Chrysostom, (347-407AD), Archbishop of Constantinople, points out, that if anything, God is enraged with the Jews.

"Tell me this. If a man were to have slain your son, would you endure to look upon him, or accept his greeting? Would you not shun him as a wicked demon, as the devil himself? They slew the Son of your Lord; do you have the boldness to enter with them under the same roof? After he was slain he heaped such honor upon you that he made you his brother and co-heir. But you dishonor him so much that you pay honor to those who slew him on the cross, that you observe with them the fellowship of the festivals, that you go to their profane places, enter their unclean doors, and share in the tables of demons."
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"The Lord Christ distinguished between his faithful ones and his Jewish enemies, as between light and darkness." --St. Augustine
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(In a sermon at Eisleben, a few days before his death, February, 1546): Besides, you also have many Jews
living in the country, who do much harm... You should know the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of our
Savior day for day... for that reason you, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them.
They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our Blessed Virgin Mary
a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us they give the epithet of changeling: and abortions.
Therefore deal with them harshly as they do nothing but excruciatingly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
trying to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor and belongings." --Martin Luther, Protestant Church Reformer
 

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Hey Bro, there is little doubt that Yeshua will return to the very same spot he left this earth.

Mount of Olives is in old Israel. When he touches his feet on the mount he shall split the land in two with a earthquake.


http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/oldjerusalem.pdf- THE OLD JERUSALEM IS NOT THE NEW JERUSALEM

This booklet is a great read...

Why do you use Yeshua? Isn't it ''Yahshua'' or is it different spelling?
 

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To get back on Topic:

Here is what some of the Early Church Fathers said about Jews:

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(In a sermon at Eisleben, a few days before his death, February, 1546): Besides, you also have many Jews
living in the country, who do much harm... You should know the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of our
Savior day for day... for that reason you, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them.
They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our Blessed Virgin Mary
a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us they give the epithet of changeling: and abortions.
Therefore deal with them harshly as they do nothing but excruciatingly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
trying to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor and belongings." --Martin Luther, Protestant Church Reformer
Much more from Martin Luther.

http://en.wikipedia...._and_Their_Lies


So many people don't realize that Cains seed lives or that Canaanites walk among us today.
Esau is a live and well in his children and whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.
 

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Why not try scripturally refuting what I've stated rather than repeatedly claiming that all opposing views to your personal theology is nothing but "opinion"?
Ditto.
Jesus was technically born in Bethlehem, a city of Judea to fulfill prophecy so in that sense He was a Jew (of Judea). However, His ministry was based in Galilee and with the notable exception of Judas Iscariot, all His closest disciples were of the Northern province which was formerly the ten-tribed nation of Israel. They even had accents markedly different than those living in Judea.

Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!

Two thousand years of Christian ministry to Gentile nations!

Again, to fulfill prophecy, Jesus was to first be rejected and crucified of the Jews and after His resurrection His disciples were instructed to preach the gospel throughout the world to as many as would receive Him, be baptized and repent.

Jesus was naturally born in Bethlehem, Judea. . . so? It is more important that one acknowledge his heavenly birthplace (that He is the Son of God) than His terrestrial origin. This Samaritan woman 'saw the Light' and was saved, Jews, on the other hand, historically refuse to do so and will receive their just reward.
Just your opinions. No Scripture. Jesus will return to Israel and fight for them.
 

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Do you really think Jesus will return to modern Israel/modern Jerusalem?
Zechariah 14:4 (NKJV)
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
Matthew 23:37-39:[sup]37[/sup]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
[sup]38[/sup]Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
[sup]39[/sup]For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Here Christ was speaking to the city of Jerusalem that He was standing and looking
at Jerusalem, the city that had killed Israel's prophets down through the centuries; and He
said, Jerusalem, "your house is left unto you desolate." He could not have been speaking
of prophetic Jerusalem, for that has a glorious future!
SO,HOW COULD MODERN ISRAEL BE OLD ISRAEL AND MODERN JERUSALEM BE OLD JERUSALEM?Read Zechariah 2:1-4
Read Ch 14. Read Acts 1
Israel is a state supported by a Christian country,the USA,it can stop been a state if the USA stops it's support of Israel.
God takes from the USA to give to Israel. Did you 'give'?
If you really think Jesus will return to the modern state of Israel,to a people who do not believe in him or accept Christianity or fulfill any of the marks of Israel,then that speaks volume of Christianity,of why someone should be Christian if Jesus will return to the enemies of Christianity,to people who do not believe in him instead of the believers!
God saves sinners. Haven't you heard?

Ezekiel 36:25-28 (NKJV)
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
Gentiles Must Suffer to Make Jews The Messiah
Sanhedrin 98b: Although some Jews look for a War Lord individual who will help place Jewry on the throne of the world THE ACTUAL VIEW OF JUDAISM IS THAT THE JEWISH PEOPLE THEMSELVES COMPRISE THE MESSIAH, AND THEIR REIGN IS THE MESSIANIC REIGN (Foretold for Christ in the Bible) The tribulation foretold to precede the reign of Christ, in which Satanism strives to subdue the world, is scoffed at by the Talmud and called "fictitious." Babylonian power will not fall. The tribulation will be but "the throes of mother Zion which is in labor to bring forth the Messiah; without metaphor, the Jewish people. (Kethuboth 111a) In other words, to call the Jewish people the Messiah is no metaphor; they are literally just that; they are the Messiah, says the Talmud.
The passage in Sanhedrin 98b records the exulting words of the pharisee Rabbis: "The Jews are destined to eat their fill in the days of the Messiah." Above these words is this: "When the ox runs and falls, the horse is put into his stall," which is explained thus: "it will be difficult to remove the Gentiles from their position without inflicting much suffering." And then: "The years of plenty which the Messiah will usher in will be enjoyed by the Israelites."
BEAR IN MIND, ALWAYS, THAT THE PAGAN BABYLONIAN TALMUDISTS HAVE STOLEN THE BIBLICAL NAMES FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL (Christ) WHO BELIEVE IN HIM AND IN THE ISRAEL PROPHETS WHO FORETOLD HIM. Biblically, they are the sex-worshiping "Gentiles" and we are spiritually "Israel." But, let them reverse things they HAVE
The congregation of Israel was ever a racial entity; the Bible testifies to that. All blessings promised to True Israel and Christians are stolen by the Jews.
I keep giving Scripture. You keep giving opinions.

To get back on Topic:

Here is what some of the Early Church Fathers said about Jews:

"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also
have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord
Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men
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(1Th 2:14-15)." --The Apostle Paul
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"Epistle of Barnabas" Chapter 4:6-7 (between 130A.D. and 138 A.D.)
Take heed to yourselves and be not like some piling up you sins and saying that the covenant is theirs as well as ours. It is ours, but they lost it completely just after Moses received it.
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Origen of Alexandria (185-254 A.D.) – A ecclesiastical writer and teacher who contributed to the early formation of Christian doctrines.
We may thus assert in utter confidence that the Jews will not return to their earlier situation, for they have committed the most abominable of crimes, in forming this conspiracy against the Savior of the human race…hence the city where Jesus suffered was necessarily destroyed, the Jewish nation was driven from its country, and another people was called by God to the blessed election.
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John Chrysostom (344-407 A.D.) – One of the "greatest" of church fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous for his sermons and addresses.
"The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason."
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Peter the Venerable – known as "the meekest of men, a model of Christian charity:

"Yes, you Jews. I say, do I address you; you, who till this very day, deny the Son of God. How long, poor wretches, will ye not believe the truth? Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human… I lead out from its den a monstrous animal, and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheater of the world, in the sight of all the people. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men."
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St. John Chrysostom, (347-407AD), Archbishop of Constantinople, points out, that if anything, God is enraged with the Jews.

"Tell me this. If a man were to have slain your son, would you endure to look upon him, or accept his greeting? Would you not shun him as a wicked demon, as the devil himself? They slew the Son of your Lord; do you have the boldness to enter with them under the same roof? After he was slain he heaped such honor upon you that he made you his brother and co-heir. But you dishonor him so much that you pay honor to those who slew him on the cross, that you observe with them the fellowship of the festivals, that you go to their profane places, enter their unclean doors, and share in the tables of demons."
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"The Lord Christ distinguished between his faithful ones and his Jewish enemies, as between light and darkness." --St. Augustine
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(In a sermon at Eisleben, a few days before his death, February, 1546): Besides, you also have many Jews
living in the country, who do much harm... You should know the Jews blaspheme and violate the name of our
Savior day for day... for that reason you, Milords and men of authority, should not tolerate but expel them.
They are our public enemies and incessantly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ, they call our Blessed Virgin Mary
a harlot and her Holy Son a bastard and to us they give the epithet of changeling: and abortions.
Therefore deal with them harshly as they do nothing but excruciatingly blaspheme our Lord Jesus Christ,
trying to rob us of our lives, our health, our honor and belongings." --Martin Luther, Protestant Church Reformer
This is ridiculous. All races fight with themselves and hate each other.

I feel sorry for Jew haters. Jesus is King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 ... "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."
 

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This is ridiculous. All races fight with themselves and hate each other.

I feel sorry for Jew haters. Jesus is King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 ... "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."


Hey DB,

It would seem the best assessment of all this was provided by "James Forthwright" when he explained that he is a "white separatist" (Page 10, Post #287). And I believe that he may find out exactly how lonely separation is. And in this, it's important to perceive that Heaven is where all are in unity, but the other place is not only separation from GOD, but utter separation.

And so these individuals are knowingly or unknowingly practicing for their future. And if unknowingly, then let them be made aware.



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