Jews

James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
This is ridiculous. All races fight with themselves and hate each other.

The point is not whether different races or religious people fight amongst themselves or with others. What matters is if their grievances are justifiable. Those making the critical statements against Jews in the previous post were some of the most revered Early Church Fathers and Protestant Reformers. Their weighty scholarly arguments should hold more gravitas than even the words of the learned Duckybill.

Duckybill said:
I feel sorry for Jew haters. Jesus is King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 ... "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." --Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)

All scripture passages are NOT equal in inspiration. One should rightly first consider whom is doing the speaking. The passage you posted was spoken by Maji or wizards from the East who evidently correctly interpreted the astrological signs in the cosmos but they were most likely NOT righteous men. After their visitation with the young Christ they obey King Herod's summons and openly divulge the location of Christ's home village, which instigates the mass slaughter of the Bethlehem children.

John Gill's Commentary states:

"Magi", a word which is always used in a bad sense in the sacred writings; hence they are thought by some to be magicians, sorcerers, wizards, such as Simon Magus, Act_8:9 and Elymas, Act_13:8 and so the Jewish writers (w) interpret the word מגוש a wizard, an enchanter, a blasphemer of God, and one that entices others to idolatry."

If you do a search on the phrase, "King of the Jews" it is rarely if ever used by believers of Yahweh or Christ Jesus. It is a term used by non-believers and naturally hated by the Jews.

In the following passage Jesus flatly denies that He is the King of the Jews and states that His true servants are justified in fighting against the Jews:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

James Forthwright said:
The point is not whether different races or religious people fight amongst themselves or with others. What matters is if their grievances are justifiable. Those making the critical statements against Jews in the previous post were some of the most revered Early Church Fathers and Protestant Reformers. Their weighty scholarly arguments should hold more gravitas than even the words of the learned Duckybill.

How about the Word of God?

Romans 3:1-2 (NKJV)
1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way!

All scripture passages are NOT equal in inspiration. One should rightly first consider whom is doing the speaking. The passage you posted was spoken by Maji or wizards from the East who evidently correctly interpreted the astrological signs in the cosmos but they were most likely NOT righteous men. After their visitation with the young Christ they obey King Herod's summons and openly divulge the location of Christ's home village, which instigates the mass slaughter of the Bethlehem children.

They knew who Jesus was. That's why they worshiped Him.

John Gill's Commentary states:

"Magi", a word which is always used in a bad sense in the sacred writings; hence they are thought by some to be magicians, sorcerers, wizards, such as Simon Magus, Act_8:9 and Elymas, Act_13:8 and so the Jewish writers (w) interpret the word מגוש a wizard, an enchanter, a blasphemer of God, and one that entices others to idolatry."

If you do a search on the phrase, "King of the Jews" it is rarely if ever used by believers of Yahweh or Christ Jesus. It is a term used by non-believers and naturally hated by the Jews.

In the following passage Jesus flatly denies that He is the King of the Jews and states that His true servants are justified in fighting against the Jews:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

You are TWISTING Scripture. He did not deny being King of the Jews.

Mark 15:2 (NIV)
2 "Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

Mark 15:2 (NASB)
2 Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And He *answered him, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (NKJV)
2 Then Pilate asked Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered and said to him, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (TLB)
2 Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" "Yes," Jesus replied, "it is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (WEY)
2 So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.

Mark 15:2 (AMP)
2 And Pilate inquired of Him, Are You the King of the Jews? And He replied, It is as you say.

Mark 15:2 (MontgomeryNT)
2 Pilate questioned him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" In reply Jesus said, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (GW)
2 Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, I am,” Jesus answered him.

Mark 15:2 (MaceNT)
2 Pilate therefore ask'd him, art thou the king of the Jews? and he made answer, yes.

Mark 15:2 (NASB77)
2 And Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And answering He •said to him, "It is as you say."

James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

BibleScribe said:
Hey DB,

It would seem the best assessment of all this was provided by "James Forthwright" when he explained that he is a "white separatist" (Page 10, Post #287). And I believe that he may find out exactly how lonely separation is. And in this, it's important to perceive that Heaven is where all are in unity, but the other place is not only separation from GOD, but utter separation.

And so these individuals are knowingly or unknowingly practicing for their future. And if unknowingly, then let them be made aware.

Good morning BS,

Racially homogeneous societies such as the Japanese, for instance, are inherently more stable contented and efficient than multi-cultural countries which are rife with racial strife. As is exemplified by the recent influx of minorities into England & France, their crime rates and racial tension is beginning to soar.

As far as being labelled a "white separatist" I wear the badge with a certain pride knowing that it was my Heavenly Father who first divided the nations after the destruction of the Tower of Babel. (Gen.11) God also previously instituted the natural Law of 'kind reproducing after its kind'. Gen 1:11

There need not be anything sinister implied by observing the natural tendency that 'birds of a feather flock together".

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

Numbers 12:1 (NKJV)
1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

TheWarIs1 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Mark 15:2 (NIV)
2 "Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

Mark 15:2 (NASB)
Mark 15:2 (TLB)
2 Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" "Yes," Jesus replied, "it is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (WEY)
2 So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.

Mark 15:2 (AMP)
2 And Pilate inquired of Him, Are You the King of the Jews? And He replied, It is as you say.

Mark 15:2 (MontgomeryNT)
2 Pilate questioned him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" In reply Jesus said, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (GW)
2 Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, I am,” Jesus answered him.

Mark 15:2 (MaceNT)
2 Pilate therefore ask'd him, art thou the king of the Jews? and he made answer, yes.

Mark 15:2 (NASB77)
2 And Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And answering He •said to him, "It is as you say." The

The NIV is a junk and should be tossed in the trash.

You said this...

Mark 15:2 (WEY)
2 So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.

How can someone ASK the words "I am"
That makes no sense.

Mar 15:2

(KJV) And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.

(LITV) And Pilate questioned Him, Are you the king of the Jews? And answering, He said to him, You say it.

(Murdock) And Pilate asked him: Art thou the king of the Jews? He replied and said to him: Thou hast said.

(YLT) and Pilate questioned him, `Art thou the king of the Jews?' and he answering said to him, `Thou dost say it .'

Yahshua only confirmed that Pilate made the comment.
Most scriptures never used the word YES.

"you have said it" is the proper translation of the Aramaic scripture which the Messiah spoke.

Pilate also said "This man is not a Jew but a Galilean."
That scripture goes against the blind guides of the pulpit.

Jews and Galileans were worlds apart.
Jews hated anyone above Judea.

If Yahshua was King of JEWs why did he come only for the Lost house of Israel?

James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
How about the Word of God?

Romans 3:1-2 (NKJV)
1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way!

Though I deeply admire the Epistles of the Apostle Paul, he does have a marked tendency to wax philosophical about the Jews. Speaking about himself:

Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

And I do believe that circumcision, in itself is profitable unto mankind.

The following verse (of which you only half-quoted) states:

Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Jews (the circumcision) certainly failed in recognizing the many prophecies in the "oracles of God" concerning their promised Messiah and also fail miserably in protecting the most ancient copies of the scriptures for further generations.

Duckybill said:
They knew who Jesus was. That's why they worshiped Him.

So I'm supposed to take Duckybill's word over John Gill's Exposition regarding what the Bible says about Magi, wizards and sorcerers? Just because someone recognized who Jesus is does not make them righteous:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Duckybill said:
You are TWISTING Scripture. He did not deny being King of the Jews.

No, I'm not twisting anything. I used Jesus' own claim that His Kingdom was not of this earth and that If it was His followers would fight against the Jews. You, in turn, seem to relish the opportunity to repeatedly defend Christ's assassins. You're basing your doctrine on ONE SCRIPTURE (albeit translated eleven times). Luke and John have completely different responses than Mark. What makes Mark's recollection of events more credible than John's or Luke's?

LUKE 23:3

(CEV) Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Those are your words," Jesus answered.

(CJB) Pilate asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" And he answered him, "The words are yours."

(Darby) And Pilate demanded of him saying, Art *thou* the king of the Jews? And he answering him said, Thou sayest.

(DRB) And Pilate asked him, saying: Art thou the king of the Jews? But he answering, said: Thou sayest it.

(ESV) And Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And he answered him, "You have said so."

(KJV) And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

(KJV+) AndG1161 PilateG4091 askedG1905 him,G846 saying,G3004 ArtG1488 thouG4771 theG3588 KingG935 of theG3588 Jews?G2453 AndG1161 heG3588 answeredG611 himG846 and said,G5346 ThouG4771 sayestG3004 it.

(KJVA) And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

(MSG) Pilate asked him, "Is this true that you're 'King of the Jews'?" "Those are your words, not mine," Jesus replied.
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JOHN 18:34

(AMP) Jesus replied, Are you saying this of yourself [on your own initiative], or have others told you about Me?

(CEV) Jesus answered, "Are you asking this on your own or did someone tell you about me?"

(CJB) Yeshua answered, "Are you asking this on your own, or have other people told you about me?"

(Darby) Jesus answered him , Dost thou say this of thyself, or have others said it to thee concerning me?

(DRB) Jesus answered: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or have others told it thee of me?

(ESV) Jesus answered, "Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?"

(IGNT+) απεκριθηG611 [G5662] ANSWERED αυτωG846 οG3588 HIM ιησουςG2424 JESUS, αφG575 FROM εαυτουG1438 THYSELF συG4771 THOU τουτοG5124 THIS λεγειςG3004 [G5719] SAYEST, ηG2228 OR αλλοιG243 OTHERS σοιG4671 TO THEE ειπονG2036 [G5627] DID SAY "IT" περιG4012 CONCERNING εμουG1700 ME?

(KJV) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

(KJV+) JesusG2424 answeredG611 him,G846 SayestG3004 thouG4771 this thingG5124 ofG575 thyself,G1438 orG2228 did othersG243 tellG2036 it theeG4671 ofG4012 me?G1700

(KJVA) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

(MSG) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own, or did others tell you this about me?"

(NAS77) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"

(NASB) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

TheWarIs1 said:
The NIV is a junk and should be tossed in the trash.

You said this...

Mark 15:2 (WEY)
2 So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.

How can someone ASK the words "I am"
That makes no sense.

Mar 15:2

(KJV) And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.

(LITV) And Pilate questioned Him, Are you the king of the Jews? And answering, He said to him, You say it.

(Murdock) And Pilate asked him: Art thou the king of the Jews? He replied and said to him: Thou hast said.

(YLT) and Pilate questioned him, `Art thou the king of the Jews?' and he answering said to him, `Thou dost say it .'

Yahshua only confirmed that Pilate made the comment.
Most scriptures never used the word YES.

"you have said it" is the proper translation of the Aramaic scripture which the Messiah spoke.

Pilate also said "This man is not a Jew but a Galilean."
That scripture goes against the blind guides of the pulpit.

Jews and Galileans were worlds apart.
Jews hated anyone above Judea.

If Yahshua was King of JEWs why did he come only for the Lost house of Israel?

The Scriptures I cited STRONGLY confirm that Jesus is King of the Jews. Those you cite do not deny it.

TheWarIs1 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Numbers 12:1 (NKJV)
1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

That is a mistranslation.
The word in Greek was Cush and Cush extended from parts of Africa to India.

The fact is Moses was married to a Midianite who was descended from Abraham and Ketura..

Num 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.

Midian was in the land of Cush known today in Arabia.

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James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Numbers 12:1 (NKJV)
1 Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

You seem to be a master of basing doctrine of ONE SCRIPTURE! The wise King Solomon's great sin of miscegenation was the direct cause of the division of the Israelite Nation. (1Kings 11:1-11)

Moses was certainly a great prophet and author of many books of the Bible but he was not without his personal flaws. Because of his transgressions he was denied entrance into the Promised Land with the rest of the Israelite nations. However, let it be clearly understood that I don't question his ultimate salvation.

TheWarIs1 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
The Scriptures I cited STRONGLY confirm that Jesus is King of the Jews. Those you cite do not deny it.

They do not agree with the junk scripture you quoted.

Yahshua never said YES but "you say it"

Here is the Geneva, Bishops and Darbys versdion.

(Bishops) And Pilate asked hym: Art thou the kyng of the Iewes? And he aunswered and sayde vnto hym: thou sayest it?

(Darby) And Pilate asked him, Art *thou* the King of the Jews? And he answered and said to him, *Thou* sayest.

(Geneva) Then Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Iewes? And hee answered, and sayde vnto him, Thou sayest it.

The Literal Translations, the Aramaic, nor the popular KJV, Bishops bible or the Geneva bible said what you claim.
Never did Yahshua respond with YES but he responded "You said it"

You've absorbed many falsehoods over the years

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

James Forthwright said:
Though I deeply admire the Epistles of the Apostle Paul, he does have a marked tendency to wax philosophical about the Jews. Speaking about himself:

Paul's epistles are The Word of God.

The Jews (the circumcision) certainly failed in recognizing the many prophecies in the "oracles of God" concerning their promised Messiah and also fail miserably in protecting the most ancient copies of the scriptures for further generations.

The Bible was written almost entirely by Jews.

So I'm supposed to take Duckybill's word over John Gill's Exposition regarding what the Bible says about Magi, wizards and sorcerers? Just because someone recognized who Jesus is does not make them righteous:

I never said they were 'righteous'. I said they knew Who Jesus was. The King of the Jews.

No, I'm not twisting anything. I used Jesus' own claim that His Kingdom was not of this earth and that If it was His followers would fight against the Jews.

His followers were Jews.

You, in turn, seem to relish the opportunity to repeatedly defend Christ's assassins. You're basing your doctrine on ONE SCRIPTURE (albeit translated eleven times). Luke and John have completely different responses than Mark. What makes Mark's recollection of events more credible than John's or Luke's?

LUKE 23:3

(CEV) Pilate asked Jesus, "Are you the king of the Jews?" "Those are your words," Jesus answered.

(CJB) Pilate asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" And he answered him, "The words are yours."

(Darby) And Pilate demanded of him saying, Art *thou* the king of the Jews? And he answering him said, Thou sayest.

(DRB) And Pilate asked him, saying: Art thou the king of the Jews? But he answering, said: Thou sayest it.

(ESV) And Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And he answered him, "You have said so."

(KJV) And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

(KJV+) AndG1161 PilateG4091 askedG1905 him,G846 saying,G3004 ArtG1488 thouG4771 theG3588 KingG935 of theG3588 Jews?G2453 AndG1161 heG3588 answeredG611 himG846 and said,G5346 ThouG4771 sayestG3004 it.

(KJVA) And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

(MSG) Pilate asked him, "Is this true that you're 'King of the Jews'?" "Those are your words, not mine," Jesus replied.
--
JOHN 18:34

(AMP) Jesus replied, Are you saying this of yourself [on your own initiative], or have others told you about Me?

(CEV) Jesus answered, "Are you asking this on your own or did someone tell you about me?"

(CJB) Yeshua answered, "Are you asking this on your own, or have other people told you about me?"

(Darby) Jesus answered him , Dost thou say this of thyself, or have others said it to thee concerning me?

(DRB) Jesus answered: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or have others told it thee of me?

(ESV) Jesus answered, "Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?"

(IGNT+) απεκριθηG611 [G5662] ANSWERED αυτωG846 οG3588 HIM ιησουςG2424 JESUS, αφG575 FROM εαυτουG1438 THYSELF συG4771 THOU τουτοG5124 THIS λεγειςG3004 [G5719] SAYEST, ηG2228 OR αλλοιG243 OTHERS σοιG4671 TO THEE ειπονG2036 [G5627] DID SAY "IT" περιG4012 CONCERNING εμουG1700 ME?

(KJV) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

(KJV+) JesusG2424 answeredG611 him,G846 SayestG3004 thouG4771 this thingG5124 ofG575 thyself,G1438 orG2228 did othersG243 tellG2036 it theeG4671 ofG4012 me?G1700

(KJVA) Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

(MSG) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own, or did others tell you this about me?"

(NAS77) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"

(NASB) Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"

And NONE of those you cite deny that Jesus was King of the Jews. All that I quoted clearly support that He was indeed King of the Jews.

James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
The Scriptures I cited STRONGLY confirm that Jesus is King of the Jews. Those you cite do not deny it.

You cited one measly scripture, THAT IS ALL! And I, in turn, posited three that directly contradict what you affirm. Show us some more scriptural backing for your assertion. Why should your one solitary scripture bear more weight than three opposing ones?

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

James Forthwright said:
You cited one measly scripture, THAT IS ALL! And I, in turn, posited three that directly contradict what you affirm. Show us some more scriptural backing for your assertion. Why should your one solitary scripture bear more weight than three opposing ones?

You have cited NOTHING that disproves that Jesus was a Jew or King of the Jews. NOTHING.

Mark 15:2 (NIV)
2 "Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

Mark 15:2 (NASB)
2 Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And He *answered him, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (NKJV)
2 Then Pilate asked Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" He answered and said to him, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (TLB)
2 Pilate asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" "Yes," Jesus replied, "it is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (WEY)
2 So Pilate questioned Him. "Are you the King of the Jews?" he asked. "I am," replied Jesus.

Mark 15:2 (AMP)
2 And Pilate inquired of Him, Are You the King of the Jews? And He replied, It is as you say.

Mark 15:2 (MontgomeryNT)
2 Pilate questioned him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" In reply Jesus said, "It is as you say."

Mark 15:2 (GW)
2 Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Yes, I am,” Jesus answered him.

Mark 15:2 (MaceNT)
2 Pilate therefore ask'd him, art thou the king of the Jews? and he made answer, yes.

Mark 15:2 (NASB77)
2 And Pilate questioned Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And answering He •said to him, "It is as you say."

TheWarIs1 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
You have cited NOTHING that disproves that Jesus was a Jew or King of the Jews. NOTHING.

Mark 15:2 (NIV)
2 "Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied.

You shouldn't ever use NIV not even as a paper weight.

You have poor reading comprehension.

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James Forthwright · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
You have cited NOTHING that disproves that Jesus was a Jew or King of the Jews. NOTHING.

Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack!

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

TheWarIs1 said:
You shouldn't ever use NIV not even as a paper weight.

You have poor reading comprehension..

Is that all you have to offer, your opinions and insults? No Scripture of course.

James Forthwright said:
Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack!

John 4:22 (NKJV)
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

BibleScribe · Nov 9, 2011

To All,

Please allow the following:

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/14892-prophesy-the-whore-of-babylon-is-isis-the-statue-of-liberty/
Page 1, Post #29

popeye said:
I just can't believe that people on here give these....well....confused people credence by even responding to them. They seek attention and the only way they can get it is by laboring us with some christian diatribe that is from the outer limits of their imagination.

BTW, I am studying the beast and doing alot of thinking about it's possible interpretation, that is, an interpretation that is simple and straight forward. I'm coming to some conclusions, and unfortunately, it's not "necessarily going to align itself with your's". But, if it's any consolation to you, at least you're firmly planted in reality and a sound foundation.

Best,

Mike

Hey Popeye, (Mike),

Both you and Scripture have it correct:

Proverbs 9:6 (NKJV)
[sup]6[/sup] Forsake foolishness and live,
And go in the way of understanding.

Forsaking should include conversations having foolishness, and going means to continue focusing on those who can receive the things of GOD.

Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed.

Why entertain a fool, when you could be entertaining the wise?

Proverbs 14:7
[sup]7[/sup] Go from the presence of a foolish man,
When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

... and Popeye, this is your argument in a nut shell. Why do so many continue having a discussion with a fool, violating both Scripture and Wisdom?

Your Friend,
BS

Christian1488 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Zechariah 14:4 (NKJV)
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Read Ch 14. Read Acts 1

God takes from the USA to give to Israel. Did you 'give'?

God saves sinners. Haven't you heard?

Ezekiel 36:25-28 (NKJV)
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

I keep giving Scripture. You keep giving opinions.

This is ridiculous. All races fight with themselves and hate each other.

I feel sorry for Jew haters. Jesus is King of the Jews.

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 ... "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

Opinions? That is from the talmud! If the Jews consider themselves the messiah why would they believe Jesus?
"The Messiah [is] without metaphor the Jewish people" Kethuboth 111a.
That is anti-Christianity from the talmud,a Jewish belief,that is not an opinion!

Are you trying to say that Jesus will return to a people who do not believe in him instead of a people who do believe in him?

John 10:27:My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

As for taking from the USA.The USA is a Christian Country/nation,Israel is an antichrist state,are you trying to say God takes from Christians to give to antichrists?
Would God let thousands,millions of people,Christians in the USA go hungry or live poor so the USA can support an antichrist state who do not even believe in Jesus?
Israel was to be a blessing to people,not a curse!(Genesis 12:2)

As for Jesus returning to modern Israel/modern Jerusalem where the Jews live,that would be fulfillment of Luke 19:27:But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

If the Jews do not believe in Jesus now,why would they believe if Jesus returns?

As for Jesus been king of the Jews,the translation in the Greek strong's Exhaustive concordance is
2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Judaean( geographic address)Jehudah(Tribe)

2 saying “Where is He having been born King of the Judaeans? For we have seen His star in the east and we have come to worship Him!”

TheWarIs1 said:
Check that link. I get an error.

Yahshua is more like it. The Aramaic name is Eshu or Yeshu

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http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Books.htm - Books

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm - Martin Luther,the Jews and their lies

Duckybill · Nov 9, 2011

Christian1488 said:
Opinions? That is from the talmud! If the Jews consider themselves the messiah why would they believe Jesus?
"The Messiah [is] without metaphor the Jewish people" Kethuboth 111a.
That is anti-Christianity from the talmud,a Jewish belief,that is not an opinion!

Are you trying to say that Jesus will return to a people who do not believe in him instead of a people who do believe in him?

John 10:27:My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Ezekiel 36:24-28 (NKJV)
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

As for taking from the USA.The USA is a Christian Country/nation,Israel is an antichrist state,are you trying to say God takes from Christians to give to antichrists?

Did you give willingly? Or was it taken from you?

Would God let thousands,millions of people,Christians in the USA go hungry or live poor so the USA can support an antichrist state who do not even believe in Jesus?
Israel was to be a blessing to people,not a curse!(Genesis 12:2)

If a Christian goes hungry he should start believing God's promises.

As for Jesus returning to modern Israel/modern Jerusalem where the Jews live,that would be fulfillment of Luke 19:27:But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Hasn't happened yet. But soon.

Zechariah 14:3-4 (NKJV)
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Couldn't be any clearer.

If the Jews do not believe in Jesus now,why would they believe if Jesus returns?

Let's try again.

6 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

As for Jesus been king of the Jews,the translation in the Greek strong's Exhaustive concordance is
2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Judaean( geographic address)Jehudah(Tribe)

2 saying “Where is He having been born King of the Judaeans? For we have seen His star in the east and we have come to worship Him!”

Which translation are you citing?

Matthew 2:2 (ESV)
2 saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (ASV)
2 Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:2 (NIV)
2 and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (NASB)
2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 2:2 (YLT)
2 saying, `Where is he who was born king of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and we came to bow to him.'

Matthew 2:2 (BBE)
2 Saying, Where is the King of the Jews whose birth has now taken place? We have seen his star in the east and have come to give him worship.

Matthew 2:2 (Darby)
2 Where is the king of the Jews that has been born? for we have seen his star in the east, and have come to do him homage.

Matthew 2:2 (NLT)
2 “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star as it rose, and we have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (NRSV)
2 asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star at its rising, and have come to pay him homage."

Matthew 2:2 (TLB)
2 "Where is the newborn King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in far-off eastern lands and have come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (WEY)
2 inquiring, "Where is the newly born king of the Jews? For we have seen his Star in the east, and have come here to do him homage."

Matthew 2:2 (AMP)
2 Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him.

Matthew 2:2 (MontgomeryNT)
2 "Where is the new-born King of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and are come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (GW)
2 They asked, “Where is the one who was born to be the king of the Jews? We saw his star rising and have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (KJV)
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:2 (MaceNT)
2 Where is this king of the Jews who is now born? for we have seen his rising star, and are come to pay him homage.

Matthew 2:2 (NASB77)
2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."

Christian1488 · Nov 9, 2011

Duckybill said:
Ezekiel 36:24-28 (NKJV)
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Did you give willingly? Or was it taken from you?

If a Christian goes hungry he should start believing God's promises.

Hasn't happened yet. But soon.

Zechariah 14:3-4 (NKJV)
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Couldn't be any clearer.

Let's try again.

6 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

Which translation are you citing?

Matthew 2:2 (ESV)
2 saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (ASV)
2 Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:2 (NIV)
2 and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (NASB)
2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 2:2 (NKJV)
2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

Matthew 2:2 (YLT)
2 saying, `Where is he who was born king of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and we came to bow to him.'

Matthew 2:2 (BBE)
2 Saying, Where is the King of the Jews whose birth has now taken place? We have seen his star in the east and have come to give him worship.

Matthew 2:2 (Darby)
2 Where is the king of the Jews that has been born? for we have seen his star in the east, and have come to do him homage.

Matthew 2:2 (NLT)
2 “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We saw his star as it rose, and we have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (NRSV)
2 asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star at its rising, and have come to pay him homage."

Matthew 2:2 (TLB)
2 "Where is the newborn King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in far-off eastern lands and have come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (WEY)
2 inquiring, "Where is the newly born king of the Jews? For we have seen his Star in the east, and have come here to do him homage."

Matthew 2:2 (AMP)
2 Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him.

Matthew 2:2 (MontgomeryNT)
2 "Where is the new-born King of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and are come to worship him."

Matthew 2:2 (GW)
2 They asked, “Where is the one who was born to be the king of the Jews? We saw his star rising and have come to worship him.”

Matthew 2:2 (KJV)
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Matthew 2:2 (MaceNT)
2 Where is this king of the Jews who is now born? for we have seen his rising star, and are come to pay him homage.

Matthew 2:2 (NASB77)
2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."

Did you give willingly? Or was it taken from you?

Are you saying God will taking from a Christian people to give to an anti-christian people?

If a Christian goes hungry he should start believing God's promises.

If someone is a Christian they obviously believe in Jesus,but the Jews are a curse to people,Israel was to be a blessing!(money is taken from Christian USA to give to antichrist Israel leaving thousands of Americans hungry or poor,how does that make Israel a blessing to people?

Hasn't happened yet. But soon.

So all the Jews in modern Israel will be destroyed?Jews consider themselves the messiah,what need have they of Jesus?
"The Messiah [is] without metaphor the Jewish people" Kethuboth 111a.

Let's try again.

6 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;

But you are also stating that the modern Jews do not fulfill anything in the Bible,do you mean to state that God does not keep his promises and that Israel does not need to fulfill anything in the Bible,that is what you imply!
Also that God prefers antichrists over Christians....that is what you imply!
you also ignore what Jews say about themselves,if they do not consider themselves the chosen people,why should you?

The 1905 JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 21, page 249 reads: "If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME." Again, they must be a people NOT called "Jews."

"The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." (The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler (New York: Random House, 1976) p.226)

http://www.israelect.com/reference/JackMohr/JM050.htm - The Marks of Israel

Which translation are you citing?

I am quoting the meaning of the word Jew in the Greek strong's exhaustive concordance,it does not mean race!(which you impy that Jesus is king of a Jewish race)

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Judaean( geographic address)Jehudah(Tribe)

2 saying “Where is He having been born King of the Judaeans? For we have seen His star in the east and we have come to worship Him!”

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