Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

Davy · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
Well, what do you do with this verse, which basically says that Jesus will not touch the ground?

1Thess4:16 and 17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Surely you're not serious.

Just because you do not see any phrase in 1 Thessalonians 4 that says Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, then it means to disregard anywhere else in God's Word that DOES say it? like here...

Zech 14:4-5
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
KJV

The 1 Thessalonians 4 Scripture aligns with the Zechariah 14 Scripture, it's just that Zech.14 gives us more information about the event of Jesus' coming and gathering of His Church. If you feel Zech.14 contradicts 1 Thess.4, then maybe you should consider who you've been listening to that has created your confusion.

Eternally Grateful · Oct 9, 2021

PinSeeker said:
No, but thanks for your thoughts. Jesus said several times during His public ministry that the kingdom was here now. It will be consummated when He comes back. Grace and peace to you.

Thanks for responding. But I can’t ignore it prophets and revelation because I want this age to be the millennium I must take them at their word or God is a liar.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation Chapter 20 Is Prior To The Second Coming, Do You Think (The Souls) Of The Tribulation Saints Are After, Big Smiles!

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Can you point to the verse in Revelation 20 where Jesus comes to earth? In my Bible, Jesus Christ came on a white horse, and changed the world. He never left. But yet you claim to see all this other stuff happening in chapter 20 that is not there. The camp of the saints is who exactly? Because it seems to me they are the resurrected in verse 4. You have to explain how this camp of the saints came to be. John left a lot of verses out according to your scenario.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
Well, what do you do with this verse, which basically says that Jesus will not touch the ground?

1Thess4:16 and 17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Who is the Lord? Paul did not specify Jesus out as a single person of the Trinity. Paul is referring to God as one.

Paul never states the view from what happens with Jesus Christ. It is our relationship with God. Paul did show the relationship and did include the Trump of God along with the dead in Christ. But what Paul did not include was what happened to Jesus Christ at the Second Coming. From Revelation 6, the Day of the Lord includes both God and Christ:

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

At the Second Coming both God on the throne and the Lamb will be present.

When Paul claims the Lord Himself, that is the full Godhead, not just Jesus.

Davy · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
I just brought it up . You don't have to be a snotz.

"Surely you are not serious" the first thing you said does not answer my question. I asked you about something that was also written. Later you delved into some stuff. When you start off being snotz, it doesn't work.
I'll ask someone else later. Thanks for your time.

And maybe you ought to check out God's Word better instead of throwing an idea out that shows you don't know what you're talking about. Teaching others about God's Word is serious, as you will be held accountable to God for everything you teach.

stunnedbygrace · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
You don't have to be a snotz.

#1 quote of the day. I haven’t even read any of the thread yet to know if I agree with it or not, but this is the #1 quote of the day.

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Davy said:
Well actually............. Christ's "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 has not yet started.

It only begins on the day of His return, which is about His 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord".

One can easily... read about HOW Lord Jesus returns to this earth in the Zechariah 14 Scripture, which reveals He returns back to the same spot on earth where He ascended to Heaven from, the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem. And there... is where that Scripture says He brings all His saints to when He comes.

So the idea that Christ's Kingdom started the "thousand years" of Rev.20 on Pentecost is ludicrous. It shows those who come up with that idea need a whole.... lot.... more.... Bible study.

As you have been shown several times, there is no Millennial Kingdom on this earth seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as many claim

Pretty hard to have a literal Kingdom with (The Souls) of physically dead tribulation saints and (The Dead)

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
Well, what do you do with this verse, which basically says that Jesus will not touch the ground?

1Thess4:16 and 17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
Who is the Lord? Paul did not specify Jesus out as a single person of the Trinity. Paul is referring to God as one.

Paul never states the view from what happens with Jesus Christ. It is our relationship with God. Paul did show the relationship and did include the Trump of God along with the dead in Christ. But what Paul did not include was what happened to Jesus Christ at the Second Coming. From Revelation 6, the Day of the Lord includes both God and Christ:

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

At the Second Coming both God on the throne and the Lamb will be present.

When Paul claims the Lord Himself, that is the full Godhead, not just Jesus.

You now have (God The Father) returning to earth on his "Throne" and hanging out in a Millennium with fleshly mortal humans running around, smiles!

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
Can you point to the verse in Revelation 20 where Jesus comes to earth? In my Bible, Jesus Christ came on a white horse, and changed the world. He never left. But yet you claim to see all this other stuff happening in chapter 20 that is not there. The camp of the saints is who exactly? Because it seems to me they are the resurrected in verse 4. You have to explain how this camp of the saints came to be. John left a lot of verses out according to your scenario.

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Cassandra said:
I'm sorry. I don't understand fully --so is it you are saying that when this happens that God is in the air and Jesus is here? The dead in Christ arise up to the Father and Jesus steps on the Mount of Olives. Is this what you mean? Do you still believe it it is every eye shall see Him, who will they see? The Father or Jesus ? Can everyone see Christs descent to the Mount of Olives?

And thanks for your post above, for not being snotty. It doesn't work when folks are just asking. It's a holier than thou, and a turn off.

Paul says this in Titus 2:13:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Yes, I agree with Paul that at the Second Coming both God on the throne and Jesus Christ the Lamb of God will be present on earth.

Revelation 6:16 also states that both are seen.

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

Both Paul and John indicate a distinction that both will be known on that day. For the believer it will be glorious. For the lost, it will be only fear.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
You now have (God The Father) returning to earth on his "Throne" and hanging out in a Millennium with fleshly mortal humans running around, smiles!

No, all fleshly mortals will be dead. At least get your facts strait.

You going to stop God from appearing and hanging out on the earth?

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Yep that Day of the Lord is 1000 years on earth. Hope you have patience, instead of just dismissing what those verses actually say.

Two resurrections you claim on the same day? John says 1000 years between them.

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

Do you just remove the words: "until the thousand years are finished"?

stunnedbygrace · Oct 9, 2021

Curtis said:
I realize those facts are very inconvenient to your scenario, but yet there they are.

#2 quote of the day. Lol.

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
Paul says this in Titus 2:13:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Yes, I agree with Paul that at the Second Coming both God on the throne and Jesus Christ the Lamb of God will be present on earth.

Revelation 6:16 also states that both are seen.

"And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:"

Both Paul and John indicate a distinction that both will be known on that day. For the believer it will be glorious. For the lost, it will be only fear.

Jesus Christ Warned His Followers, Concerning Him Being On This Earth In A Millennium (Beware)

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Truth7t7 · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
Yep that Day of the Lord is 1000 years on earth. Hope you have patience, instead of just dismissing what those verses actually say.

Two resurrections you claim on the same day? John says 1000 years between them.

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

Do you just remove the words: "until the thousand years are finished"?

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Keraz · Oct 10, 2021

One of the Prophesies that describes the Millennium:

Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19

You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15

Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15
There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there.

The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8

Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36.
Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17

No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3
Ref: REB some verses abridged

Curtis · Oct 10, 2021

Keraz said:
One of the Prophesies that describes the Millennium:

Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19

You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15

Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15
There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there.

The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8

Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36.
Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17

No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3
Ref: REB some verses abridged

Actually from the time Jesus returns and sets foot on Mount olive, his reign will be forever from David’s throne in Jerusalem.

The millennium isn’t a temporary thousand year reign of Jesus, the millennium is only that part of the eternal reign of Jesus where Satan is bound for a thousand years before being released and the final Battle happens.

Jesus keeps on ruling after that, forever.

Shalom Aleichem

Curtis · Oct 10, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Last day of the age of the gentiles - not the last day of the world.

Truth7t7 · Oct 11, 2021

Curtis said:
Last day of the age of the gentiles - not the last day of the world.

When Jesus Christ States (The Last Day) That Means No More Are To Follow, Its (The End)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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