Nation born in a day in 1948?

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Ronald Nolette

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Zedekiah lived then?


Exactly, that is when they repent. (or when they see Him as another prophesy points out)

Israel has not turned to Jesus today. They did not in 1948 or any other time.


Not yet, but they will, that is Gods promise and jesus reiterated that promise and Paul reconfirmed it as well.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


God says He will so He will- it just hasn't happened yet!

Matthew 23:36-39
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36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Notrice jesus did not say "unless" which is a conditional word, but He said until- which has not a condition attached.

Romans 11:25-29
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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

At one point in the future all Israel will be saved! That is Gods covenant to Israel.
 

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Prove it was.


I posted commentary that places this chapter in history, so that would not be the end time.


That is after the verses showing the lamb will lay with the wolf etc. That is not any time in history. Yes God will gather them one day. That was not 1948. Show us a zoo where lions and sheep are together and children wander in?


Just before this we see this

Isaiah 66:6
A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
When do you think that was, 1947!? Ha



When He returns and is with them then He gathers..
Isaiah 43:5
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west
He will do a new thing, and gather them one day. That was not done yet.
Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.
Isaiah 43:20
The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.
His chosen are those who chose Him. That is who He gives drink to. I see no rivers in the desert there now?



Psalms 107:2
Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;
Israel was anything but redeemed in 1948. Do you understand what you are posting? Neither were they saved from their enemies, look around.

Zephaniah 3:8
Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord , until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
Zephaniah 3:9
For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.
Do you understand what you post? You think God gathered all nations and poured out His wrath on them and sent a fire over the earth in 1948??

Where in that chapter does it say this will be in the latter days exactly? Ha
(I addressed more than half of your long post here, you really have not a single valid point)


Well I concede Is.. 11 is the second regathering in peace which also is foundin Matt. 25.

Zeph 3 though is a misinterpretation. then does not appear in the original, and the construct does not lends itself to a linear sequential series of events.

also you bring up a very good point. The second in gathering in peace to have the survivors of the tribulation enter the millenial kingdom and the first regfatherting which is don ein unbelief as the verses in Ez. and Is. that God gathers them in anger to judge, purge and refine Israel. So it is not an either /or but a both/and.
 

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Not yet, but they will, that is Gods promise and jesus reiterated that promise and Paul reconfirmed it as well.

Jeremiah 31:31-33
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


God says He will so He will- it just hasn't happened yet!

Matthew 23:36-39
King James Version

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Notrice jesus did not say "unless" which is a conditional word, but He said until- which has not a condition attached.

Romans 11:25-29
King James Version

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

At one point in the future all Israel will be saved! That is Gods covenant to Israel.
It will take a lot but one day a remnant of them will be saved.
 

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Well I concede Is.. 11 is the second regathering in peace which also is foundin Matt. 25.

Zeph 3 though is a misinterpretation. then does not appear in the original, and the construct does not lends itself to a linear sequential series of events.

also you bring up a very good point. The second in gathering in peace to have the survivors of the tribulation enter the millenial kingdom and the first regfatherting which is don ein unbelief as the verses in Ez. and Is. that God gathers them in anger to judge, purge and refine Israel. So it is not an either /or but a both/and.
Except that there is only one gathering in the end of days that I can see so far that is done by God. Prophesy recognizes Israel will be there and invaded in the end, but that does not mean God brought them together in that land, it just means they will be there. No one was able to post a verse that said God gathered them in the end time for judgment. The only verses offered were not end time verses, but history.
 
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It will take a lot but one day a remnant of them will be saved.

Well as I never said one day- I don't know where that cvomes from. Scripture says the nation would be born in one day and it was. It went from nonexistent to being the jewish homeland in a day!

But God can do it in a day, He spoke th euniverse into existence in 6 days, He can remove the veil over the hearts and minds of all the unsaved jews left alive at the end of the tribulation. And it is in three days not one.
 

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Except that there is only one gathering in the end of days that I can see so far that is done by God. Prophesy recognizes Israel will be there and invaded in the end, but that does not mean God brought them together in that land, it just means they will be there. No one was able to post a verse that said God gathered them in the end time for judgment. The only verses offered were not end time verses, but history.

YOur verses show the gathering in peace and jopy, the other verses show god bringing them back to the land to judge and purge the rebels from the people.

Ezekiel 20:33-38
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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

God is doing this all! and He is not doing it in gentleness and joy!


Matthew 24:31
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31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is Him gathering the remant of teh jews not at Petra (those who fled I srael at teh abvomination of desolation) to grant thyem entrance into teh millenial kingdom. This gathering is in joyful anticipation.

NOwhere in teh bible does it call for just one regathering of the Jews in the last days which began in 1948.
 

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Well as I never said one day- I don't know where that cvomes from. Scripture says the nation would be born in one day and it was. It went from nonexistent to being the jewish homeland in a day!
That was not the in a day prophesy though. Why would you think it was?
Isaiah 66:14
And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies
The day when He deals with His enemies was not 1948!

But God can do it in a day, He spoke th euniverse into existence in 6 days, He can remove the veil over the hearts and minds of all the unsaved jews left alive at the end of the tribulation. And it is in three days not one.
Yes the day when the Jews repent as a nation is at the end. Not 1948.
 

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YOur verses show the gathering in peace and jopy, the other verses show god bringing them back to the land to judge and purge the rebels from the people.

Ezekiel 20:33-38
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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

God is doing this all! and He is not doing it in gentleness and joy!
Except that was history, not future prophesy. The rebels run the country rather than having been purged today if you notice.

Matthew 24:31
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31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is Him gathering the remant of teh jews not at Petra (those who fled I srael at teh abvomination of desolation) to grant thyem entrance into teh millenial kingdom. This gathering is in joyful anticipation.

NOwhere in teh bible does it call for just one regathering of the Jews in the last days which began in 1948.
You might want to resort to a spellcheck. As for His elect, since when is that only Jews? You do realize people of every nation and tongue get saved in that last seven years? The elect are those that elect to believe in Jesus. The Jews who do so will be elect as will everyone else who does so.
 

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Trying to twist things to arrive at 1948 is similar.
Empty accusation.

:rolleyes:

Why do people persist in such?.

You seem so dead-set in your thought here, you have to talk like this? I passed on something I've heard, something I found interesting, but now you are invested in making out like I'm predicting the rapture by blood moons.

Mayby ask yourself why . . .

Much love!
 
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That was not the in a day prophesy though. Why would you think it was?
Isaiah 66:14
And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies
The day when He deals with His enemies was not 1948!


Yes the day when the Jews repent as a nation is at the end. Not 1948.


I know that it was not in a dauy prophesy.

And yes the regasthering in joy and when th eJews repent is at teh end, not 1948.

!948 began the regathering in anger to prepare the nation for judgmkent. As I have said all along.
 

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Except that was history, not future prophesy. The rebels run the country rather than having been purged today if you notice.

You might want to resort to a spellcheck. As for His elect, since when is that only Jews? You do realize people of every nation and tongue get saved in that last seven years? The elect are those that elect to believe in Jesus. The Jews who do so will be elect as will everyone else who does so.


Well since when does it say anywhere that God has to purge them according ot your schedule or mine? He is gathering them again and they will have to pass under the rod of His judgment. Do you believe that the antichrist will come? Why? He is not here yet. God said He will purge and He will. Not on your or my timetable.

I had spellcheck here and it is gone. do you know how to get it back? I have arthritic fingers and without those red lines showing a mispell I tend ot just type and paste.

But teh church is elect and Israel is elect, but no other saints are called elect. The3 church ends at the rapture.
 

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not buyin it, sorry.

So you believe Israel stopped being a unique ethnic group sometime in the past? Nation can mean a country, or a people group in teh greek, context determines which. Israel has never stopped being Israel as a people.
 

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So you believe Israel stopped being a unique ethnic group sometime in the past? Nation can mean a country, or a people group in teh greek, context determines which. Israel has never stopped being Israel as a people.
ah, meant to erase that before you saw it, but my reply there would be
not all who are born Israel are of Israel, and the zionist, apartheid, incorporated country of Israel (Israhell) i am just not even really interested in, although i gotta say i dont know and it might fit fig tree budding just perfectly, although i doubt it
here we have no lasting city, etc
 

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possible, barely, i guess? But it would seemingly violate a fair amount of other Scripture, and apparently relies on one, unwitnessed verse

Well as I can only guess which verses you are referring to I won't. and what is this unwitnessed verse. Can't discuss if you don't reveal.
 

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ah, meant to erase that before you saw it, but my reply there would be
not all who are born Israel are of Israel, and the zionist, apartheid, incorporated country of Israel (Israhell) i am just not even really interested in, although i gotta say i dont know and it might fit fig tree budding just perfectly, although i doubt it
here we have no lasting city, etc

Well I can't refute what you "guess".. Israel was still Israel when they were commimtting gross idolatries in the OT, god send nations (ethnos') to judge them and used that to bring them back. He also clearly wrote He is going to use men to bring Israel back to Himself again! He is far more patient than us. I suspect that legions of todays Christians would have given up on the flood cuz it took 120 years from when God announced judgment untill He actually brought judgment.
 
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Well as I can only guess which verses you are referring to I won't. and what is this unwitnessed verse. Can't discuss if you don't reveal.
fig tree budding?

but i gotta say that Yah sure doesnt think like me, and you might be right on the money, too
just seems contrived, inorganic, unlike 70 ad
dunno
Well I can't refute what you "guess".. Israel was still Israel when they were commimtting gross idolatries in the OT, god send nations (ethnos') to judge them and used that to bring them back. He also clearly wrote He is going to use men to bring Israel back to Himself again! He is far more patient than us. I suspect that legions of todays Christians would have given up on the flood cuz it took 120 years from when God announced judgment untill He actually brought judgment.
yup :)
nice to see someone not expecting to live to 120 too lol, bc of that v
 

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Empty accusation.

:rolleyes:

Why do people persist in such?.

You seem so dead-set in your thought here, you have to talk like this? I passed on something I've heard, something I found interesting, but now you are invested in making out like I'm predicting the rapture by blood moons.

Mayby ask yourself why . . .

Much love!
I gave my opinion on it. I think someone grasped at straws to try to get the world and God and the bible to fit 1948, but it does not stand up to t light of reason.